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Old 02-21-2013, 10:18 PM   #1
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Default 19 Year Old Helps Defeat Creationist Nonsense in Schools

Another great article from Andrew Sullivan's website:

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/...-christianism/

I started a new thread because that other evolution thread had become "retarded" - almost literally.

Watch the whole embedded video. I love his statement about the law that allowed "supplemental materials" into science classes for the purpose of "critical thinking":

"You don't need a law to teach critical thinking - that what science is. You need a law to teach creationism, which isn't science".

Well said.

Sorry, Reverend Bojulay.
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Old 02-21-2013, 10:39 PM   #2
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You have to admit that critical thinking does not provide all the answers. Sometimes it only comes up with more questions. I like the argument that everything came from the big bang but what came before that? Science says that something cannot come from something and energy has to be maintained. So something was around before the big bang (and it wasn't Rosanne or Blossom). Or like Ben Stein wrote; a scientist and God were having a discussion about who had more power and the right anwers. God said "watch this" and took some sand from the beach. God shaped it and breathed life into the sand to create a human being. The scientist watched and poopooed, "I can do that". He started to gather some sand when God said "get your own sand".
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Old 02-21-2013, 10:52 PM   #3
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Here we go again...
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Old 02-21-2013, 11:16 PM   #4
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You have to admit that critical thinking does not provide all the answers. Sometimes it only comes up with more questions. I like the argument that everything came from the big bang but what came before that?
Really, your going to argue that? If you deny the big bang theory and the science that goes with it then virtually everything we take for granted in every day life would not be possible because the science that makes things possible is based on that science.
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JD, if you would like to discuss Saint Thomas Aquinas do so in a philosophy class where it belongs, not in a science class.

If you would like to examine Pascal's wager, then knock yourself out - in a Philosophy 101 class.

If you want to discuss how the phenomenon of bacterial conjugation leads to the emergence of new species of bacteria, then a Microbiology 101 class is a good place to start.

If you are interested in discussing string theory as it relates to the Big Bang, then you can choose between an introductory course in Astronomy, or theoretical physics.

Noticing a pattern here? Aquinas was not a scientist. Pascal was not a scientist. Neither is Creationism a scientific discipline, by even the loosest possible definition.
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Very well said, Sins of the Flesh.

Why don't you spread that gospel to the rest of the unbelievers....
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Old 02-22-2013, 12:59 AM   #7
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They WERE all thinkers of a grand sort. You should mention (for Whatzup) that Pascal was an ardent atheist for most of his life.

For the record, if you read any of my other posts then these are not necessarily my beliefs but I think they have merit and should be mentioned. Or maybe I just wanted to stir the shit. You pick.
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Old 02-22-2013, 01:16 AM   #8
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Very well said, Sins of the Flesh.

Why don't you spread that gospel to the rest of the unbelievers....
Well for one, I am not an unbeliever. I just don't believe that faith in the existence of God is mutually exclusive with a solid background in science. For me, science has actually done more to reinforce my belief in God, than it has to shake my beliefs. The courses I have had in anatomy and physiology left me with an absolute certainty of the existence of God. The human body is nothing short of miraculous in my opinion (keywords: MY opinion); perfectly planned and designed by an intelligence far greater than our ability to comprehend.

I just happen to be of the opinion that believers have the right to believe what they believe, and non-believers have the right to not believe whatever they don't believe. My own personal beliefs are exactly that - personal. *sigh* wouldn't it be nice if more people would let everyone else believe or not believe as they see fit?
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Old 02-22-2013, 07:41 AM   #9
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Yeah, it reminds me of that quote that goes something like: "I don't have a problem with God, it's his followers I can't stand."

Again, the vast majority of Christians are great people regardless of their beliefs. The Bible has some pretty good morals that everyone would be better off following. It's the loud extreme "Christians" that give them a bad name, especially when they try and push their own brand onto others.
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I think the same thing about environmentalists, communists, progressives, socialists, and gay activists.
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Old 02-22-2013, 08:53 AM   #11
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Further proof that the worship of evolution is one
of the newest religions.

There are some nobel laureat's that believe evolution
is the be all end all answer.

There are some muslim's that believe mohamed is the
be all end all answer.

There are some christians that believe christ is the
be all end all answer.

Is it just me or dose anyone else see a pattern here?

Give us again ExNyuuuur the scientific explanation of
how the first living organisms came about through
spontaneous generation, so we can worship in scientific
truth and we wont have to use that pesky old faith
in an unproven concept thing anymore.

That is unless you are now in the Dawkins Plan 9 From Outer Space
crowed.


ha ha ha ha
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Well for one, I am not an unbeliever. I just don't believe that faith in the existence of God is mutually exclusive with a solid background in science. For me, science has actually done more to reinforce my belief in God, than it has to shake my beliefs. The courses I have had in anatomy and physiology left me with an absolute certainty of the existence of God. The human body is nothing short of miraculous in my opinion (keywords: MY opinion); perfectly planned and designed by an intelligence far greater than our ability to comprehend.

I just happen to be of the opinion that believers have the right to believe what they believe, and non-believers have the right to not believe whatever they don't believe. My own personal beliefs are exactly that - personal. *sigh* wouldn't it be nice if more people would let everyone else believe or not believe as they see fit?
You are obviously so screwed-up in the head. How could you even think of posting this sort of even-handed, reasonable personal opinion that does not impugn or leave those who may not agree with you pillored? Do you feel all right?

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Yeah, it reminds me of that quote that goes something like: "I don't have a problem with God, it's his followers I can't stand."

Again, the vast majority of Christians are great people regardless of their beliefs. The Bible has some pretty good morals that everyone would be better off following. It's the loud extreme "Christians" that give them a bad name, especially when they try and push their own brand onto others.
Well, it's for our own good, right?

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I think the same thing about environmentalists, communists, progressives, socialists, and gay activists.
Think?!? HA! That's a good one!
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You got to like an argument in favor of creationism that starts with an imaginary conversation with god.

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You have to admit that critical thinking does not provide all the answers. Sometimes it only comes up with more questions. I like the argument that everything came from the big bang but what came before that? Science says that something cannot come from something and energy has to be maintained. So something was around before the big bang (and it wasn't Rosanne or Blossom). Or like Ben Stein wrote; a scientist and God were having a discussion about who had more power and the right anwers. God said "watch this" and took some sand from the beach. God shaped it and breathed life into the sand to create a human being. The scientist watched and poopooed, "I can do that". He started to gather some sand when God said "get your own sand".
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The great thinkers never said they talked to god but some people have claimed that for good or evil. I understand you talk to small animals and some plants.
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The courses I have had in anatomy and physiology left me with an absolute certainty of the existence of God. The human body is nothing short of miraculous in my opinion . . .

But God must have been a Civil Engineer: who else would run a sewer line through a playground!?!
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