Alec Baldwin and "Gun Safety" Vs "Gun control"

[ICU 812]

The tragic movie set accident that left one dead and one injured brings up the resent shift in rhetoric where the term "gun safety" has been co-opted by the anti-gun lobby.

In my memory, "gun control" has always referred to efforts to limit gun ownership or ban it outright.

The term "gun Safety" has always meant the safe handling of firearms to ensure that no-one is accidently injured .

One of the primary rules has always been to immediately check the condition of any firearm as its is handed to you. A corollary to that is to always assume that a gun is loaded.

That a "hot" pistol was given to the actor by the movie armorer, while an at-fault action, is perhaps beside the ultimate point.

Actor Alec Baldwin did not check to see that the gun given to him was loaded with live ammo.

The director and cinematographer did not set up the video shot to be safe given the assumption that a live round could be fired (right angle mirror, remote camera operation etc).

At root: The principle rules of genuine GUN SAFETY were not followed.

[winn dixie]

The anti gunners will help alec and make him the poster boi for gun control

[Yssup Rider]

Guns don’t kill people.

Actors who play Donald Trump do.

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Guns don’t kill people.

Actors who play Donald Trump do.

... That 's cute...

... Lemme try one - Wonderin' just how many people
Bill and Hillary Clinton have killed?

NOT actors playing either of them - but the REAL
Bill & Hillary? ... Maybe some - maybe none.

But we DO know Bill DID sexually assault
at least one. And lost his law license due to it.

But, at least we can joke about it...

Let me offour our apologies for shitting in your thread, ICU.

### Salty

[Yssup Rider]

That’s not why, but sure. Good joke.

[ICU 812]

Some folks are mnissing the point:

If you pull the trigge4r, YOU are culpable.

Regardless of the legal technicalities that a clever lawyer may dig up . . .if you pulled the trigger, it is you are ultimately at fault.

That "someone" told you that the gun is not loaded is not a valid excuse. When handed a firearm it is your responsibility to determine if it is loaded.

Whether or not actor Alec Baldwin is charged is now an open question. Whatever the legal system decides, in the final analysis . . .it is his fault for not checking the pistol.

Thhis kind of thing is what happens when "Gun Safety" is confused with "Gun Control".

[oeb11]

ICU - Cogent contribution

Agreed - Good Sir
But - The DPST party and its' hollyweird nomenklatura - always disdain and escape responsibility for teh consequences of their Actions
Baldwin should be in San Quentin for manslaughter

With the politicized Soviet state of kalifonria and Federal DOJ - they/LSM will likely turn Halyna Hutchins into a 'domestic terrorist' who supported parental involvement in education of dependents - and Deserving of the death penalty!
Baldwin will be applauded at hollyweird and Vine!

[Grace Preston]

Y'know... if the director of Twilight Zone could get off despite ALL the evidence and the fact that 2 children died... I really think you're barking up the wrong tree if you think anything is going to happen to Alec Baldwin.

[oeb11]

Originally Posted by Grace Preston

Y'know... if the director of Twilight Zone could get off despite ALL the evidence and the fact that 2 children died... I really think you're barking up the wrong tree if you think anything is going to happen to Alec Baldwin.

Grace is 'Right"

The Hollyweird cultists and their kalifonria DPST party star-struck slaves will ensure Baldwin gets away with it.

[ICU 812]

Please regfer to my OP and my 2nd post:

Whether or not the legal system interacts with Mr. Baldwin to his detriment is beside the point.

Several of the main concepts of "gun safety" is that the person holding the firearm knows by their own direct inspection if the gun is loaded, and that they are responsible for whether or not it is discharged, and if it is, where the bullet goes. There are those who think that Mr. Baldwin is culpable on those grounds.

Other principles of "gun safety" make those around the firearm responsible for assuming that any firearm actually IS loaded and acting accordingly. In the case of the wounded director and the deceased cinematographer, this means arranging for the safety of the personal on-set by setting up the camera shot to avoid anyone being in the line of fire. It is plain that was not done.

Contrary to current usage in liberal circles, "Gun Safety" does not mean the regulation of firearms in public hands. "Gun Safety" means the responsible use and handling of firearms to ensure that no one is hurt.

[playerplano]

Originally Posted by Grace Preston

Y'know... if the director of Twilight Zone could get off despite ALL the evidence and the fact that 2 children died... I really think you're barking up the wrong tree if you think anything is going to happen to Alec Baldwin.

Grace do you think times have changed since the Twilight Zone movie was made or nothing has changed so nothing will happen to the people responsible ?

I agree the correct processes were not followed. Had they done what should have been done it would literally be impossible to shoot someone by accident. The problem with the gun ( whatever happened) should have been discovered by at least a couple of people. The shot set up would have protected the victims if done correctly. Criminal liability is one thing civil liability is another. It won’t make it better but someone will probably pay.

[Grace Preston]

Originally Posted by playerplano

Grace do you think times have changed since the Twilight Zone movie was made or nothing has changed so nothing will happen to the people responsible ?

I agree the correct processes were not followed. Had they done what should have been done it would literally be impossible to shoot someone by accident. The problem with the gun ( whatever happened) should have been discovered by at least a couple of people. The shot set up would have protected the victims if done correctly. Criminal liability is one thing civil liability is another. It won’t make it better but someone will probably pay.

Oh Baldwin will be paying. But, to his credit, the widower of the woman has stated that he has been VERY supportive, so he may not even get taken to court. Not only was Baldwin an actor-- he was also the producer, so this will definitely be coming out of his pocket.

[H&H]

Dems will pay for another agency employing "gun checkers" on movie sets, plays, and other licensed drama sets.

[ICU 812]

I am reading news bits saying that because Mr. Baldwin was an executive producer, that puts him at risk of prosecution for . . .something. . . . perhaps not manslaughter.

Well, we all have an opinion; only time will tell.

Whatever the legal outcome, the basic rules of gun safety still put the final responsibility on the person holding the gun for determining its condition by direct personal inspection.

[rexdutchman]

Only in the insanity of Hollywood does "Live rounds "not mean live rounds ? Hmm