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Old 02-10-2023, 10:42 AM   #1
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Default GOP after Lying During the presidents State Of The Union address are trying again to take away Medicare and Social Security

After Heckling President Biden, Senator Rick Scott is doing what ever he can to end our entitlements that we have paid for all our lifes after saying it wasn't on the table. No one lies like the GOP. If they aren't saying they won the presidential race, or lying to get into Congress with no qualifications now they are in the back ground doing what they can to get ride of Medicare and Social Security.



When will you people open your eyes so things can change. I am sure they will use that money for the rich. You know so they can give it to the company executives so they can take the rest of the factories over seas.



https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...6d25b1a05aba9f
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Old 02-10-2023, 10:49 AM   #2
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The GOP turned into a real shit show. If John McCain, Arlen Specter, Abraham Lincoln and all the good Republicans could only see what the GOP has turned into. The likes of Marjorie Taylor Green, George Santos, The Orange Lying Turd, they would be turning in there graves. To bad for all they fought for the good of the country. What a shame.
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Rick Scott is a fucking idiot and doesn’t represent anyone but himself, but go on…
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And yet he had backers to his plan among the ranks
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And yet he had backers to his plan among the ranks
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...ck-scotts/amp/
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Biden is a supreme coward. No vision, no principles, no courage to do what is right.

He just does whatever he is told to do by the spendthrift far-left "progressive" socialist dolts who are hell-bent on dragging the USA down the road to financial ruin.


Another Ugly Beltway Consensus

Democrats and Republicans rule out entitlement reform.


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Feb. 8, 2023 5:48 pm ET


There may be some downsides to having an 80-year-old running the country. But among the benefits ought to be wisdom, an understanding of history and a focus on the legacy that will be left for future generations. Right now America’s children need President Joe Biden’s leadership in addressing the country’s massive and rapidly rising debt burden. Yet on Tuesday night the president clarified that he has no intention of providing it. Mr. Biden is so committed to rejecting Republicans’ efforts to restrain spending that in his State of the Union address he spent time attacking reforms they’re not even proposing.

It would be one thing if Mr. Biden were attempting to make an economic case that the government can finance massive annual deficits forever without consequence—or that the numbers published by his Treasury and the Congressional Budget Office are wrong. But he’s simply ignoring the problem and rejecting even the idea of discussing spending reforms as he seeks congressional approval for more borrowing.

Speaking of CBO, today Congress’s official budget scorekeeper delivered the latest terrible news for the future taxpayers who will someday need to pay for all of this:

The federal budget deficit was $459 billion in the first four months of fiscal year 2023, the Congressional Budget Office estimates—$200 billion more than the shortfall recorded during the same period last year. Outlays were 9 percent higher and revenues were 3 percent lower from October through January than during the same period in fiscal year 2022.
Nearly half a trillion in just four months!

In just two years of the Biden administration total public debt outstanding has increased by $3.7 trillion. And of course Mr. Biden was an enthusiastic supporter of the lockdown pandemic strategy that contributed to an increase of more than $4 trillion in federal debt the year before he took office. Then there’s the big spending he advocated in his more than four decades as a senator and then vice president.

The federal debt burden is now bigger than our economy, without even counting the much larger burden of promised future benefits from entitlement programs. Yet Mr. Biden—along with his Republican opposition in Congress—is ruling out all the obvious reforms to restrain future spending. The bipartisan consensus, supported by our president, is to reject consideration of any changes in entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare, even though the officials who oversee these programs keep explaining why they need to be changed.

The Social Security Administration summarizes the 2022 annual report from the Social Security and Medicare Boards of Trustees:

Social Security and Medicare both face long-term financing shortfalls under currently scheduled benefits and financing....

The Old-Age and Survivors Insurance (OASI) Trust Fund, which pays retirement and survivors benefits, will be able to pay scheduled benefits on a timely basis until 2034...

The Hospital Insurance (HI) Trust Fund, or Medicare Part A, which helps pay for services such as inpatient hospital care, will be able to pay scheduled benefits until 2028...

Lawmakers have many policy options that would reduce or eliminate the long-term financing shortfalls in Social Security and Medicare. Taking action sooner rather than later will allow consideration of a broader range of solutions and provide more time to phase in changes so that the public has adequate time to prepare.

The president has forged a bipartisan agreement not to talk about the subject, ensuring that the public has as little time as possible to prepare. This is a disgraceful abdication of leadership. National Review’s Philip Klein opines:

Watching leaders, many at or near retirement age, agree to do absolutely nothing to address this problem is an act of fiscal violence against younger Americans.

Violence may be a strong word, and absent market-based reform the future doesn’t look so hot for beneficiaries, either. But clearly younger Americans face the largest financial burdens.

Mr. Biden is the most responsible official with the most authority to solve the problem and he’s essentially telling young people to find some other adult to care about their financial futures. Haven’t America’s kids suffered enough under his Covid policies?

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Yes, he did. That plan really went places. Just like Scott's plan it was DOA.
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Let’s be clear here: Scott’s plan was NOT to end Medicare and Social Security. It was not even to cut these programs. The only thing he proposed was that all Federal programs should be reviewed and evaluated every five years instead of just automatically being renewed as is. This review could result in cuts, but it also could result in increases to these programs or no changes.

Why is it extreme to require our government to review and evaluate what it is doing on a periodic basis? That would seem like a common sense thing to do if you wanted government to be well run.
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You can do meaningful review and revision without a built-in sunset provision.
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Let’s be clear here: Scott’s plan was NOT to end Medicare and Social Security. It was not even to cut these programs. The only thing he proposed was that all Federal programs should be reviewed and evaluated every five years instead of just automatically being renewed as is. This review could result in cuts, but it also could result in increases to these programs or no changes.

Why is it extreme to require our government to review and evaluate what it is doing on a periodic basis? That would seem like a common sense thing to do if you wanted government to be well run.

Exactly. Any well run entity would review and evaluate their programs and expenditures on a periodic basis. It makes 100% sense and Scott's plan would have simply forced the government to do just that.

Anyone stating otherwise is either spreading misinformation or doesn't want a well run government
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And all that review and evaluation can exist without a forced sunset provision with pretty clearly intended and foreseeable "unintended consequences"

Spare us the absolutism
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And all that review and evaluation can exist without a forced sunset provision with pretty clearly intended and foreseeable "unintended consequences"

Spare us the absolutism
And yet it hasn't - so spare us pretending it will
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Senator Rick Scott mad, wants to get rid of Medicare and Social Security. Who is the Liar?



Sen. Rick Scott slams McConnell in fight over Medicare and Social Security (msn.com)
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Senator Rick Scott mad, wants to get rid of Medicare and Social Security. Who is the Liar?
The article says nothing of the sort. Try reading.
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And yet it hasn't - so spare us pretending it will
https://www.ssa.gov/OACT/solvency/

Just looking at SS this:

1) Shows efforts have been frequently made without a sunset providing being necessary

2) Shows review is occurring without a sunset being being necessary

There's work being done on this. As we approach insolvency that chaos alone will be sufficient to drive a deal.

We don't need to introduce a variation of the debt limit authorization chaos into this systen every 5 years. That's your will, not the will of the people
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