Does the intelligent business woman "exploit" a crisis?

[Pangolier]

I'll share with you all something that I've personally found deplorable, though I'm sure not everyone will share my opinion.


Between the 2nd and 3rd quarter of 2020 I saw most girl's rates go way up. Not only that, but many who were previously allowing 1 hour appointments started touting 2 hour minimums.


Now what's happening? Mask mandates are fading, and the media has found something else to discuss other than the pandemic, namely Russia, inflation, interest rates, and supply shortages. And those same girls who were advertising $1,800 for mandatory 2 hours back in late 2020 and early 2021 are now offering $500 for 1 hour.


And in fact at least one girl in a situation similar to that, approached me last year asking for my business at a rate that was nearly double to what I had established with her, being a client for a long time. I declined her proposition...


Now she's back to where she started. There are some girls in this business who have learned the way to make the most money is by selling overnight dates and weekend appointments. With covid most of the people in the top bracket of asset and or income earners were minimally effected, if at all. The people hit the hardest were the middle to low income earners, and those are the people typically asking for 1 hour appointments.


So, after the provider attempts to sustain her profits by selling only to aristocrats for several months, she realizes there's only so many men in the country that have the ability to indiscriminately squander tens of thousand of dollars paying a woman for a single date, in the mistaken belief she isn't acting / actually likes him. When those guy's availability dries up either because they are busy with family obligations, work, moved to another area, or found interest in a competitor, she quickly turns back to her 1 hour dates.


So in your opinion, does this make the provider an entrepreneur who has done her research, or more akin to an opportunistic predator? Well, I'll tell you one thing, the girl I referenced earlier could have kept my business by not conducting her operations in such a manner. Not only during the time that covid had a far greater impact on the world, but afterwards when she finally realized she wouldn't be able to generate enough money by going half way across the world with some guy for a week that only amounted to $7,000 since he only wanted to see her once, and that wasn't enough money for a single year.


When I was running a business, I certainly didn't disregard my loyal customers, even if they were only placing small orders.

[B.Wayne]

some money is better than no money. If you think in terms of the long term, it makes no sense to raise rates to established guaranteed visits from clients she has seen many times before. It is not like a business contact where a supplier has to raise rates of supplies due to freight, their cost increase ect, Its apples to oranges. This is a luxury item. plain and simple. As in non essential. One problem you have is the change in mentality. Onlyfans exists. women on there get paid for doing nothing to as little as flashing their tits.



The whole country during 'the big quit' as some have called it is experiencing this fad of doing less work for more money. Now days, people want more money to move faster at a mundane job task. I have the money to spend and i refuse to spend it on crap service, in any environment. I would rather spend money on something i need rather than luxury items. The excuses range from the high cost of everything else to pandemic, to not making a livable wage. Business are shutting down because people refuse to pay high prices on some things.The girls job is to make you think you need her and as long as it stays in clients minds that its a luxury item, that the palm of your hand is free, prices will come down. Some have asked for money just to send pics.



I deal with people at work that are trying to change the way they think because they read a book or heard a prominent rich guy speak somewhere and they try to mimic what they see and hear. They watch shark tank, and deal in crypto just hoping to be that success story they read about in the news. But yet, still they come into work everyday, cause they need that pay check to buy the crypto, to buy the book But they never talk about uncle sam and taxes. Brass tax, these women are luxury items. The first thing people cut out is non essential items when they tighten their belt. some people think they can hold the line and not budge but the fact is, sooner or later a non essential item price will drop. But then the suckers get the first drop. Stingy buyer waits and says i can get it lower, and sure enough, if you wait long enough it drops again provided there are not enough people happy with a small amount of relief on first drop of the purchase price.



sounds like this girl, thinks she is selling to a customer base of rich million dollar clients. The reality is, she should have diversified in terms of marketing. A different phone number, and maybe even name, or different advertising sites. She can stay in one spot and advertise lower rates, and higher rates. cover all the client bases, Because she probably isnt much different from a 200 dollar encounter to a 1000 dollar and up encounter. People might pay more if she is extremely beautiful. The clients however will change. She may deal with a different guy at a 200 price vs a 1000 price. But that has to be her preference. Thats part of being a so called professional. You deal with people you normally would not deal with and make them feel as though they are the most important thing in the world for that time.



The point to all that, was she believes she is worth it. It could be a mental punch to the gut if people arent paying the price she thinks shes worth. based on the description she seems as though she is trying to be an entrepreneur but going about it the wrong way. Look at hotels, if a convention is in town the raise the rates. By the weekend rates are back to lower normal. The limited higher rates are for out of towners. while locals wait for the weekend, when they know rates are lower.

If she was a predator, It would be in a sex starved society. because nobody HAS to pay these women anything when Rosy palms is free every single time.

[Grace Preston]

A lot of ladies raised their rates during the worst of COVID due to the increased risk of.... seeing people face to face during the worst of COVID. What's more risky? Making out with a couple people per week or making out with 20 people per week?



Now-- as to your quandary of not being offered the same rate....


I grandfather the majority of my regular clients. That is to say-- if we've seen each other numerous times over the years-- I'll generally see you at a reduced rate-- not always the original rate-- but a reduced rate. However, if I saw you once back in 2011-- I'm not AS inclined to do so. And from what I see-- its fallen out of general favor with a lot of ladies. I think that's foolish as your regulars are often what sustains you-- but at the end of the day, nobody owes anyone a discount.



From a pure marketing strategy standpoint-- the only glaring mistake made was that if she were smart-- she would have kept the new higher rates-- then created a secondary persona with lower rates. However, that is hard to sustain and a lot of ladies cannot pull it off successfully.



Predator? Not even a little. This isn't a need. Items in the grocery store that have doubled in price-- and then go "on sale" at the original price-- that's predatory. Sending out 5 figure electric bills after not even being able to keep the power on during a storm? That's predatory. But being able to spend time with a woman-- that isn't a need. It is a luxury-- and often one of the first ones to go in a financial crisis.

[DallasRain]

I am not your usual kinda provider
I grandfather my past clients and even offer special deals..
I havent raised my prices despite higher gas prices and higher traveling cost... and i still keep low volume at 2 a day when traveling.
sure my profit is down,but i am still surviving and have a nice corral of regulars who keep me busy.

In these times,a guy has a right to be able to have fun and not break his bank!

[GayleMeyers]

Originally Posted by Grace Preston

A lot of ladies raised their rates during the worst of COVID due to the increased risk of.... seeing people face to face during the worst of COVID. What's more risky? Making out with a couple people per week or making out with 20 people per week?



Now-- as to your quandary of not being offered the same rate....


I grandfather the majority of my regular clients. That is to say-- if we've seen each other numerous times over the years-- I'll generally see you at a reduced rate-- not always the original rate-- but a reduced rate. However, if I saw you once back in 2011-- I'm not AS inclined to do so. And from what I see-- its fallen out of general favor with a lot of ladies. I think that's foolish as your regulars are often what sustains you-- but at the end of the day, nobody owes anyone a discount.



From a pure marketing strategy standpoint-- the only glaring mistake made was that if she were smart-- she would have kept the new higher rates-- then created a secondary persona with lower rates. However, that is hard to sustain and a lot of ladies cannot pull it off successfully.



Predator? Not even a little. This isn't a need. Items in the grocery store that have doubled in price-- and then go "on sale" at the original price-- that's predatory. Sending out 5 figure electric bills after not even being able to keep the power on during a storm? That's predatory. But being able to spend time with a woman-- that isn't a need. It is a luxury-- and often one of the first ones to go in a financial crisis.

Inflation is rampant, but we are never supposed to raise prices? I do "grandfather" rates for repeat customers for about a year after raising them. But the cost of living goes up and so should provider rates. I don't think any of these guys would be happy if their salaries never increased for cost of living adjustments ...

[Mr. Rogers]

The majority of salaries have not kept pace with the inflation rate for many years now. The inflation this year has increased exponentially. There are many providers who I have seen in the past that I can no longer afford to see. I don’t begrudge women for running their business as they see fit. If you can raise your rates and still afford to live, then by all means do it. I will just continue to see providers who’s rates fall within my budget.

[Finman22]

The providers rates should actually go down in time. They get older and it’s stretched out, used and abused, lol lol

[Wile E Coyote]

The vast majority of providers have exploited guys since the dawn of time, regardless of the changing landscape of the economy, and that is a proven fact.

The increase in rates has never increased the service, yet not if but when the rates flatten out or become less due to demand, then interesting enough, the service level will also decrease. Hell, lots of times, the service will always stink with many providers no matter what their donation is.

The ladies you want to give you business to are the ones who did not raise their rates and continue to do so once the economy flattens out and starts growing again.

[Grace Preston]

Originally Posted by Finman22

The providers rates should actually go down in time. They get older and it’s stretched out, used and abused, lol lol

Thank you for illustrating that you do not know how a vagina works. A woman who knows to do her kegels will never have an issue with being "stretched out, used and abused".





Gayle-- by all means-- run your business as you see fit. I've raised my rates fairly nominally in my time in the business-- even as I've improved my looks, my locations, and my skills. I grandfather people at a rate that I feel is still reasonable, while at the same time thanking them for supporting me for all these years. These guys are the same guys who where there helping me out when I was sick and could not see clients. My repeat clients mean a lot to me and I do my damndest to show them appreciation for continuing to see me when there are so many options out there. It is a model that has worked and has continued to work well for me.

[AndyDufresne]

Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote

The vast majority of providers have exploited guys since the dawn of time, regardless of the changing landscape of the economy, and that is a proven fact.

The increase in rates has never increased the service, yet not if but when the rates flatten out or become less due to demand, then interesting enough, the service level will also decrease. Hell, lots of times, the service will always stink with many providers no matter what their donation is.

The ladies you want to give you business to are the ones who did not raise their rates and continue to do so once the economy flattens out and starts growing again.

You definitely didn’t take an advanced economics course when in school, did you? While providers may seek to increase rates since the dawn of time in the oldest profession, this is a marginally free market where if rates are way out of line for services provided, they will lose clients or new providers will come into the market.

As for the OP, Grace is right that when COVID started it was risky for both providers and hobbyists, although I suspect hobbyists were willing to take the greater risk. Once exposed to COVID (with natural immunity) or an arguably ineffective vaccine, the price can go down with full information. The economic “fact” is that price discrepancies occur because of asymmetric information, and boards like this provide more information for both sides, which will reward good and attractive providers and make others less desirable

I assume providers feel the same way about hobbyists and if you are respectful, attractive and fun to be around, they may provide even better service because you “click”. Try it.

There is no conspiracy.

[BLM69]

Let more whores make it to this site and watch the rates drop, tricks that only depend on these type of sites are getting and will always get hammered $, I'm gonna start pointing unknown talent this way to get new fresh flavors over here

I'll lose a few cheap whores once the simps mess it up as usual, I had $50 whores turn into $250-$400 whores In a short time after inviting them here, I'll just keep them all to myself instead 😂, you tricks never learn

[Finman22]

Originally Posted by Grace Preston

Thank you for illustrating that you do not know how a vagina works. A woman who knows to do her kegels will never have an issue with being "stretched out, used and abused".





Gayle-- by all means-- run your business as you see fit. I've raised my rates fairly nominally in my time in the business-- even as I've improved my looks, my locations, and my skills. I grandfather people at a rate that I feel is still reasonable, while at the same time thanking them for supporting me for all these years. These guys are the same guys who where there helping me out when I was sick and could not see clients. My repeat clients mean a lot to me and I do my damndest to show them appreciation for continuing to see me when there are so many options out there. It is a model that has worked and has continued to work well for me.

Thank you for illustrating that you do not have a sense of humor. I was joking with the guys, hence the 2 lol’s at the end of my statement. Kudos to you for doing your exercises as you age, not all the prostitutes do.

[TexTushHog]

People don’t set prices, markets do.

[Wile E Coyote]

Originally Posted by AndyDufresne

You definitely didn’t take an advanced economics course when in school, did you? While providers may seek to increase rates since the dawn of time in the oldest profession, this is a marginally free market where if rates are way out of line for services provided, they will lose clients or new providers will come into the market.

As for the OP, Grace is right that when COVID started it was risky for both providers and hobbyists, although I suspect hobbyists were willing to take the greater risk. Once exposed to COVID (with natural immunity) or an arguably ineffective vaccine, the price can go down with full information. The economic “fact” is that price discrepancies occur because of asymmetric information, and boards like this provide more information for both sides, which will reward good and attractive providers and make others less desirable

I assume providers feel the same way about hobbyists and if you are respectful, attractive and fun to be around, they may provide even better service because you “click”. Try it.

There is no conspiracy.

You must have been living under a rock. If all providers raise their rates in their ads, signatures, ect., and new to the hobby girls start at the higher rate, then in this market, a hobbyist who wants to see a provider has no option but to pay the rates or he can sit at home and watch porn for free.

Let's face it, this whole hobby is a risk for all parties involved and to use what is going on in the world as an excuse to raise rates is exploiting the system. Raising rates is not going to deter the risk, in fact, it may have to opposite effect, especially when the provider does her shitty service for twice the price (as I said, the price goes up, the service remains the same if not worse than before), there is even more scrutiny involved. As well as it should be.

It is kinda like saying that if a provider charges more when guys want BBFS, calling it an upgrade, then that must mean that all the guys with STI's are not going to be interested in doing that and the guys that do agree to the upgrade are totally disease free. If you believe that, you are living under a rock!

As far as chemistry goes, in this industry, you are right about the guy having to be respectful, but you did forget about personal hygiene tho, their donation received is more than adequate for a lady to "click" and provide a fantastic time to clients. Seduction skills, making her laugh, ect. should not be required by a guy to have a good time. A provider just seemingly going through the motions and laying there as a guy gets a nut is NOT garnered as a "luxury" as one provider has put it, or even classified as a good time IMO. How does a provider know a guy is fun to be around if she only spends an hour in real time, if that much, with him? She doesn't, especially if it is a first time meeting, and as they say, you never get a second chance to make a first impression.

Using covid, inflation, ect. no matter the current status of the world as an excuse to do so is nothing more than a crutch to raise rates. I cannot go into my boss's office and demand raise because the cost of gas has tripled. After all, doesn't he want me to come in to work each day? Or maybe I need to tighten my own belt or look for PT job to supplement. Call it what you will, but exploiting guys for extra money over and above has ALWAYS been the way of prostitutes since the dawn of time, no matter what the economy is.

[BLM69]

Originally Posted by TexTushHog

People don’t set prices, markets do.

That maybe in real state, the hoe game has no structure or rules