Hardly Anyone At The Hospital. Where's this National Emergency?

[oeb11]

Originally Posted by Kinkster90210

The annual death toll from seasonal flu is about 20K to 40K in ALL of the USA. If we have 20K dead just in Texas, then nationwide we will have over 250,000 dead. That’s a disaster.

And you are betting 20K dead in Texas even with the quarantine and isolation measures. If we did nothing as you advocate, we will have about 3 million dead.

You’re delusional.

The mortality predictions are based on false assumptions.

Read the link below - we have not the reliable information to make the assumptions of 3-4$ mortality rate. Which is the basis for most of the catastrophic projections - and many of those projections are out of thin air with no basis at all.

so far, the Wuhan virus seems very infectious - but less morbidity and mortality verall than Influenza A.

we do not shut down our country and kill our economy over Influenza A.

Please read the article and consider the implications.



Bottom Line - we face a choice - neither good choices - but must choose what is best for the nation overall. re-opening the economy - while maintaining quarantine and preventive care for the elderly and those at risk with underlying disease processes - is the best compromise.

With the lest overall damage to economy and at risk people.

And -Kick Pelosi and Schumer's socialist wish list firmly out of any bill to help individuals.
socialist DPST assholes are doing their best to utilize a "crisis" to impose Socialist One party Rule on America.

They do that in part by legalizing ballot stuffing - as is in kalifornia - and illegal in most other states and in other democratic countries.

DPST's never cease to push their agenda of permanent control!

A fiasco in the making? As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data


By John P.A. Ioannidis
March 17, 2020
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/...reliable-data/

[Jacuzzme]

Republicans need to kill that bullshit ballot stuffing crap, Dems are fraudulent enough as it is with the dead and illegal votes. Half of the California house seats went to bed winners in 2018, until the dem machine trucked in enough votes to have them wake up losers.

The green new deal and other shit is ridiculous and have no connection to the virus, legal ballot stuffing is basically the end of democracy.

[oeb11]

J- +1

[gnadfly]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/

Look at the "Deaths per 1MM People column". For the US it's 2 deaths for every million. Less than the regular flu. We're being misled. The cure is worse than the disease.

Prove me wrong.

[FrankZappa]

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

[FrankZappa]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/

Look at the "Deaths per 1MM People column". For the US it's 2 deaths for every million. Less than the regular flu. We're being misled. The cure is worse than the disease.

Prove me wrong.

Italy got hit before us. We will be there in a few weeks. We aren't doing anything to stop it except for the Republicans saying it is overblown and overhyped by the fake news according to the Trumpsters. Obviously, you can't understand these numbers, all of these countries had it before we did . Our cases are growing exponentially.

I

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by FrankZappa

Italy got hit before us. We will be there in a few weeks. We aren't doing anything to stop it except for the Republicans saying it is overblown and overhyped by the fake news according to the Trumpsters. Obviously, you can't understand these numbers, all of these countries had it before we did . Our cases are growing exponentially.

I

How come Italy got hit so hard? You probably have not a clue. Out of the 60 million population of Italy the average age is 46.4 years of age in comparison to China and United States with an average age of 38.4 years of age. Italy has one of the highest elderly populations out of all European countries. Most of the people in Italy that are contracting this virus and succumbing from it are in their 70's, 80's and even 90's. Italy isn't called the "Old Country" for nothing.

[gnadfly]

Originally Posted by FrankZappa

Italy got hit before us. We will be there in a few weeks. We aren't doing anything to stop it except for the Republicans saying it is overblown and overhyped by the fake news according to the Trumpsters. Obviously, you can't understand these numbers, all of these countries had it before we did . Our cases are growing exponentially.

I

That's what they said two weeks ago. And two weeks before that.

Trump put a hold on flights from China. Then from Europe.

I can't understand the numbers? I posted the numbers. I wasn't the person hyping the 4% mortality rate number. It's been weeks and the hospital isn't overflowing. Only 5 people have died in TX. Out of 25 Million.

People are out partying. Join them.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/

Look at the "Deaths per 1MM People column". For the US it's 2 deaths for every million. Less than the regular flu. We're being misled. The cure is worse than the disease.

Prove me wrong.

I hope you're right, but time will probably prove you wrong. We'll know in a month or two.

The cure would not be worse than the disease if we were approaching this the right way, by rolling out massive testing. People who test positive stay shuttered down and everybody else gets back to business. An investment of a few tens of billions of dollars in this would reap huge dividends. Get the FDA to speed up approval of testing kits from other countries and enlist American industry, labs and hospitals to provide more testing.

[oeb11]

We need to shutter only the people at seignificant risk - elderly and those with significant at risk disease processes. Let them quarantine voluntarily - and the virus will move through and be done - and herd immunity will protect those at risk after that.



We do not panic over Influenza A - this disease has a lower mortality- even among the at risk.

We are destroying ourselves. Time to lift the restrictions and let matters be.

No need to test people unless critical medical decisions are to be made - that is few people- and those with asymptomatic or mild disease- as the common cold- need not be tested.

Perhaps if One is closely living with a person with at-risk factors.



Pelosi and Schumer and Clyburn are using this to pack the Stimulus bill with riders to fund all their precious radical far Leftists socialist projects they cannot get through even the House - much less the Senate or Trump veto.

They are criminals! Putting kalifornia ballot packing , the Soylent green New Deal, and other pet projects on the Stimulus bill takes up more money than will be spent on recovery by a great margin.

[oeb11]

House Majority Whip James Clyburn described the coronavirus relief package currently being debated in Congress as a “tremendous opportunity.”
“This is a tremendous opportunity to restructure things to fit our vision,” the South Carolina Democrat allegedly said on a phone call with fellow members of his party last week.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by Tiny

I hope you're right, but time will probably prove you wrong. We'll know in a month or two.

The cure would not be worse than the disease if we were approaching this the right way, by rolling out massive testing. People who test positive stay shuttered down and everybody else gets back to business. An investment of a few tens of billions of dollars in this would reap huge dividends. Get the FDA to speed up approval of testing kits from other countries and enlist American industry, labs and hospitals to provide more testing.

What you don't realize is testing doesn't indicate a particular Virus only the presence of a Virus. Besides that as in any lab test you have a percentage of error which could indicate false positive and negatives for viral activity. For most cases you are only treating symptoms. Hospitalization would only be beneficial for those with high grade fever and signs of dehydration. Pandemic doesn't mean mass casualties in only means significant numbers of cases over large number of locations.

[Jacuzzme]

Not to mention that it’s virtually impossible to test 330,000,000 people, and the act of attempting it could lead to the infection of millions. The government doesn’t want us to go get a steak, packing every hospital and doctors office in the country trying to test millions of people would be completely counterproductive.

[oeb11]

J - very true - and well written!

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Not to mention that it’s virtually impossible to test 330,000,000 people, and the act of attempting it could lead to the infection of millions. The government doesn’t want us to go get a steak, packing every hospital and doctors office in the country trying to test millions of people would be completely counterproductive.

I can agree with that. If you have no symptoms and feeling relatively well sitting in a Doctors office to get tested for a virus among people who are obviously not well is dumb.