Fergosun Decision Rendered... Predictions?

[EZ.]

Originally Posted by corona

Statistics are interesting but they don't prove causality. They don't show why something happened.

The majority of people out there assume its about race because it furthers their cause and is used to justify their actions.

So there is a causal relationship? I think I mentioned some factors. Does this mean that people are not responsible for their actions? If that is true, are you building a case for more racial profiling?

[Guest092216]

Frique me, in all seriousness, can you please address my reply after you highlighted that "gem" you chose to respond to?

I addressed your statements and statistics, will you please address mine?

[Alastair]

I may be narrow minded, but I see this more as a "cop" thing, not a "racist cop" thing. Cops are held to a high standard and should be. It's a job with tremendous liability and that's proper considering how much corruption is ripe in a field like that. But emotion really runs rampant in cases like this - so many people with opinions that didn't see all the evidence, which is fine - we should have opinions. But rioting is a terrible reaction - it will never, ever get you respect. Never.

The discussion on racial crime - if I can weigh in - statistically blacks commit far more crimes against whites than the other way around. Sociologists have been explaining this and burying it as fact at the same time. No one wants to admit it but everyone knows its true. The explanations, when forced to give them usually involve economic situations (in other words, the have nots attack the haves = black vs white, not racial but economic.) Then there's the explanation that cops unjustly arrest blacks (in other words, everyone commits crimes at the same rate, its only blacks that get busted.) Whites bring this stuff up because whenever a black person is killed by a white person (cop or not), there's an automatic race card filed. This led to the "hate crime" adage to make select groups almost a protected status! But still, the liberal white continues to bend over backwards so Al Sharpton doesn't show up unannounced or to keep a riot from occurring.

I'd rather rebel against cops in general than contribute to stupid racial shit.

[Frique-Me]

Originally Posted by corona

Disagree get labeled racist.

No sir...

I love a great debate, for me if offers an opportunity to gain insight and view things in a different way. I don't do drugs but if I did learning would be my drug of choice.

But I don't have to subject myself to insults and comparison to "Suriam" in order to participate in this debate.

My statement below is why I made the racist inference:

"As a black man I find it very insulting I can be perceived the same as some thugged-out, disrespectful, profaned gangsta wannabe. But like I said in a earlier post of this thread; to some people, we're all the same."

[Frique-Me]

Originally Posted by thathottnurse

Frique me, in all seriousness, can you please address my reply after you highlighted that "gem" you chose to respond to?

I addressed your statements and statistics, will you please address mine?

Thank you but I'm done... According to you and Chung, Suriam and I are somehow one in the same??? So I'll suggest you search for and read some of his previous postings. Hopefully you'll find the answers you seek within.

[Trill Jackson]

Good perspective: white folks rioting over dumb stuff. https://t.co/UaYQIJcRSn

We don't riot over social or political issues, we riot if our coach gets fired, or our sports team wins, or if the sports team loses.

[corona]

Originally Posted by EZ.

So there is a causal relationship? I think I mentioned some factors. Does this mean that people are not responsible for their actions? If that is true, are you building a case for more racial profiling?

No, quite the opposite. The statistics don't show the circumstances behind these shootings. Each and every police shooting is investigated. The standard for use of lethal force is long established; if the officer thinks he or others are in danger then lethal force is justified.

To use the stats and simplify it to "cops shoot black people" ignores all the circumstances.

[Chung Tran]

[QUOTE=Frique-Me;1056102548
I find it very insulting I can be perceived the same as some thugged-out, disrespectful, profaned gangsta wannabe. But like I said in a earlier post of this thread; to some people, we're all the same."[/QUOTE]

you are being disrespectful to Suriam.. he is not those things you described.. he is a self-aggrandizing Jack Ass, but none of those others things..

Originally Posted by Frique-Me

Thank you but I'm done...

finally proof that you are INDEED new to ECCIE, and therefore could not be Suriam in disguise.. I know you are new because NOBODY is done with a thread on ECCIE, if they announce it to everyone..

[Guest092216]

I thought he announced it a few days ago, then came back for the "gem" I posted.

Hang on, lemme go find it...

[EZ.]

Originally Posted by corona

No, quite the opposite. The statistics don't show the circumstances behind these shootings. Each and every police shooting is investigated. The standard for use of lethal force is long established; if the officer thinks he or others are in danger then lethal force is justified.

To use the stats and simplify it to "cops shoot black people" ignores all the circumstances.

I thought you were talking about the crime statistics not the cop shootings. We agree here.
Look what these cops are dealing with. In my day, if you had a problem with somebody, you had a lay'n on of hands ceremony. It was always face to face and you were considered a coward if you pulled a weapon. Now, these thugs drive by and shoot through windows ...absolute cowardice.

[EZ.]

Originally Posted by Alastair

I may be narrow minded, but I see this more as a "cop" thing, not a "racist cop" thing. Cops are held to a high standard and should be. It's a job with tremendous liability and that's proper considering how much corruption is ripe in a field like that. But emotion really runs rampant in cases like this - so many people with opinions that didn't see all the evidence, which is fine - we should have opinions. But rioting is a terrible reaction - it will never, ever get you respect. Never.

The discussion on racial crime - if I can weigh in - statistically blacks commit far more crimes against whites than the other way around. Sociologists have been explaining this and burying it as fact at the same time. No one wants to admit it but everyone knows its true. The explanations, when forced to give them usually involve economic situations (in other words, the have nots attack the haves = black vs white, not racial but economic.) Then there's the explanation that cops unjustly arrest blacks (in other words, everyone commits crimes at the same rate, its only blacks that get busted.) Whites bring this stuff up because whenever a black person is killed by a white person (cop or not), there's an automatic race card filed. This led to the "hate crime" adage to make select groups almost a protected status! But still, the liberal white continues to bend over backwards so Al Sharpton doesn't show up unannounced or to keep a riot from occurring.

I'd rather rebel against cops in general than contribute to stupid racial shit.

If poverty caused crime, there should have been a huge crime wave during the Great Depression when a quarter of the population was out of work and people literally were starving. This was after the "roaring twenties" and crime actually went down.

About 20 years ago, there were a string of robberies of convenience stores in Dallas. It wasn't enough that they robbed these places but they killed the clerks. The police set up shotgun squads in the freezers of the convenience stores and when a robber, with a gun, came in they blew them away. After one of those shootings, there wouldn't be another robbery for months. Every time there was one they sent out the shotgun squads. The liberals went crazy. It was everything from entrapment, excessive force, cops were Judge, Jury and Executioner to the race card.

[Chung Tran]

this example of rogue Police behavior seems much worse than the Garner/Brown examples.. Crawford was shopping, no criminal activity as a side issue in this case..

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/16/justic...html?hpt=hp_c2

[Guest092216]

Let's just suppose for a minute that it was a white man who was shot by police in that incident.

The main idea might go more something like, "wow, that guy is a total dumbass for waving a gun a people and kids inside of Walmart, even if the gun was from the store and was an airsoft gun, it still looks pretty real. I guess that's what happens when you act like a dumbass".

Its not like the police were just standing there waiting for a black guy to pick up an airsoft rifle a Walmart so they can shoot him. They got a 911 call - from a person, a civilian, inside the store - that there was a man with a gun inside Walmart, pointing it at people. Who the fuck does that???

Anyway, the police don't know he got the gun from the store until much later which is why she was interrogated the way she was.

I'm taking skin color out of the story and calling it what it is. A dumbass move. Point real looking guns at people at Walmart then you risk getting shot. That's why they don't make kids toy guns look real anymore. Anyone remember those stories from a few years back?

[Chung Tran]

good point THN... I saw the video, and it does seem really stupid that he held that gun for a long time.. from the initial account, with no video, it seemed like the Cops overreacted.. but they did not, the video is clear about that..

[slingblade]

I watched the tape of Crawford and I don't see where he did anything wrong.
The guy that called in to 911 flat lied about what was happening and the cops blasted an innocent man in my opinion.