Is Ron Paul correct on Iran?

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WTF

Iran is not going to nuke us.... god damn you war monger who hate to pay taxes! Get your head outta your ass.

We would turn that sandy country into a sea of glass after we nuked the fuc outta them.

There is not a thing any country besides Russia can do to fuc with us. Quit hiding under your school desk in case of a nuke war...it ain't gonna happen. Plus you might scare the women and children with that idiotic talk.

No country can defeat us militarily, not by invading us.

The only thing we have to fear is fear itself. Scardy cats like you are the problem not the solution.

More stupid remarks from the head jack-ass. The depths of your ignorance is unfathomable.

They were planning an attack on U.S. soil! Isn't that an act of war? Does it appear that they are greatly concerned that the U.S. can turn their country into a "sea of glass?" You are the one with his head up his ass.

[CuteOldGuy]

IB, it's not a nuke issue, it's a border issue.

Why should Iran hate us? Maybe it's because we won't quit fucking in their internal affairs. Iran was a democracy until we overthrew it, with British help, and installed the Shah. We could have been allies, but no, we had to overthrow their government, and insert a tyrant in its place.

That gives them no right to nuke us, but it makes it understandable why they are reluctant to cooperate. The only reason they care about Israel is because she is our ally. Israel as a state has no effect on them at all, it's just a way to keep us on our toes.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WTF

Are you ignorant enough to think I will not have nothing to say?

All wars are about resources.

We goaded Japan into a fight...we wanted a fight. Read your history, the American public did not want to go to war. Most of the country thought it wasn't any of our business. Ahhhhh the good ole days , when this country actually believed in not sticking our nose in everyone elses business.

You are obviously just too fucking stupid to understand if you seriously believe the tripe you just posted.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

IB, it's not a nuke issue, it's a border issue.

Why should Iran hate us? Maybe it's because we won't quit fucking in their internal affairs. Iran was a democracy until we overthrew it, with British help, and installed the Shah. We could have been allies, but no, we had to overthrow their government, and insert a tyrant in its place.

That gives them no right to nuke us, but it makes it understandable why they are reluctant to cooperate. The only reason they care about Israel is because she is our ally. Israel as a state has no effect on them at all, it's just a way to keep us on our toes.

Screw the nuke issue. Just today it was announced Iranian operatives were planning a hostile attack on U.S. soil. Does it really matter how they initiate a war? A war is a war, and any war in this modern age can escalate into a nuclear holocaust.

Read Dr. Donald Wilber's book about the overthrow in Iran. The U.S. was seriously concerned about the Tudeh party and the proximity of the Soviet Union?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

More stupid remarks from the head jack-ass. The depths of your ignorance is unfathomable.

They were planning an attack on U.S. soil! Isn't that an act of war? Does it appear that they are greatly concerned that the U.S. can turn their country into a "sea of glass?" You are the one with his head up his ass.

I said they were not going to nuke us ... and they aren't.

Who cares if they kill some Saudi over here?

That is not a military victory.

Learn to read.

I thought you said you understood realpolitik

You sound like a little girl.

You do realize who helped us going into Afgan in 2003 don't you. There is tough talk for the masses and there is realpolitiks.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Screw the nuke issue. Just today it was announced Iranian operatives were planning a hostile attack on U.S. soil. Does it really matter how they initiate a war? A war is a war, and any war in this modern age can escalate into a nuclear holocaust.

Read Dr. Donald Wilber's book about the overthrow in Iran. The U.S. was seriously concerned about the Tudeh party and the proximity of the Soviet Union?

And you still think that this isn't about resources and who controls them?

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WTF

I said they were not going to nuke us ... and they aren't.

Who cares if they kill some Saudi over here?

Yup, you still got your head up your ass. The plan involved WMDs. The plan involved striking the Israeli embassy as well. How many hundreds more must they kill before you get a dose of reality.

Originally Posted by WTF

You do realize who helped us going into Afgan in 2003 don't you. There is tough talk for the masses and there is realpolitiks.

Where did you take your basic training? When was your last combat tour in Afghanistan?

[CuteOldGuy]

Yes, it was announced today, but known for weeks. The timing was to divert attention from the subpoenas to be issued in the Fast and Furious scandal. Apparently it worked.

[cptjohnstone]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Some folks need to recall that the Japanese believed the U.S. was incapable of delivering the blow dealt to them. My physics professor worked on the Manhattan Project. The belief by Japanese scientists was that the U.S. lacked a delivery system (airplane) large enough and powerful enough to deliver an explosive device that could create an explosion as did "the bomb." At the same time the Japanese thought we had more than three of them. They miscalculated 2 times: Pearl Harbor and "the end." We have had one miscalculation so far: 9-11.

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My dad helped design that plane, the B26

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by cptjohnstone

My dad helped design that plane, the B26

Meaning no disrespect, but you mean "B-29."

[WTF]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Yup, you still got your head up your ass. The plan involved WMDs. The plan involved striking the Israeli embassy as well. How many hundreds more must they kill before you get a dose of reality.

That is not a military victory.

I care about our embassy btw, not any others. Like Ron Paul would say the Israeli can take care of their own embassy.

Why don't you just renounce your citizenship to this country and move to Isreal if you are so worried about that country. I'd say the same if you kept taking up for France. Who cares, let the French take care of themselves.

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Where did you take your basic training? When was your last combat tour in Afghanistan?

I do not need to take basic training to know that Afghanistan is not the 51rst state in our Union.

We need to fix wtf is wrong with this country before trying to fix the rest of the world.

[Texaspride74]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

How many papers have you written on the subject? I have researched and written about ten college level papers on WWII and the interwar period, so my opinions are not based on TV.

The key words are "Free Trade"! How many jet airliners must be hijacked and destroyed before you or Ron Paul realize that the U.S. is not so insular as it was in the 18th and 19th centuries. The U.S. didn't enter WWI because it was militarily attacked in 1917. It entered the war because Germany "threatened" to interdict "Free Trade" with U-boats. Like WWI Germany, Japan attacked Pearl Harbor so it could create a Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere which excluded Western powers from "Free Trade" in Asia.
The nature of post-WWI Germany compared with the nature of post-WWII Germany and Japan reflect the efficacy of post war "nation building".
Anyone who thinks soldiers, sailors and marines are "policemen" are ignorant and have no appreciation of what soldiers, sailors and marines are trained to do.

So in all that research, your conclusion was that "Japan attacked Pearl Harbor so it could create a Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere which excluded Western powers from "Free Trade" in Asia"? Did your vast research not lead you to find out that our Government had cracked the Japanese radio codes and knew full well that the attack on Peal Harbor was coming?

On November 25, 1941 Japan’s Admiral Yamamoto sent a radio message to the group of Japanese warships that would attack Pearl Harbor on December 7. Newly released naval records prove that from November 17 to 25 the United States Navy intercepted eighty-three messages that Yamamoto sent to his carriers. Part of the November 25 message read: “...the task force, keeping its movements strictly secret and maintaining close guard against submarines and aircraft, shall advance into Hawaiian waters, and upon the very opening of hostilities shall attack the main force of the United States fleet in Hawaii and deal it a mortal blow...”.

Did it tell you that FDR wanted to get into the war but needed a "call to action" in order to drum up public support since eighty to ninety percent of the American people wanted nothing to do with Europe’s war. Did your research tell you that in late November 1941 an order was sent out to all US military commanders that stated: “The United States desires that Japan commit the first overt act.” According to Secretary of War Stimson, the order came directly from President Roosevelt. Did your research lead to discovering the “overt act of war” plan that President Roosevelt adopted on October 7, 1940?

I could go on and on but the point is that the Pearl Harbor Attack was just one more example of the Military Industrial Complex letting things happen or using false flag terror attacks in order to push their agenda.

As for your comment that "Anyone who thinks soldiers, sailors and marines are "policemen" are ignorant and have no appreciation of what soldiers, sailors and marines are trained to do."

I didn't say they were policemen. I said the troops have been used to police the world. There is a big difference. I do support our troops, I do not support the Government and Military leaders who are controlled by the Military Industrial Complex. That being said, it is an undesputable fact that our troops are being trained to take on American citizens and are trained on door-to-door gun confiscation. This type of thing happens routinely in Iraq. Hell, the Austin Swat Team went to Iraq to train in door-to-door gun confiscation along side the troops. All I can tell you is to do some more research and find out what is really going on in the world.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Meaning no disrespect, but you mean "B-29."

Yea that one too!

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WTF

And you still think that this isn't about resources and who controls them?

Iranians plan to bomb two foreign embassies in Washington D.C., this nation's capital city, killing and maiming scores, or perhaps hundreds of innocent people in the process . . . please explain exactly what resources the U.S. would get out of that scenario.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Texaspride74

So in all that research, your conclusion was that "Japan attacked Pearl Harbor so it could create a Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere which excluded Western powers from "Free Trade" in Asia"? Did your vast research not lead you to find out that our Government had cracked the Japanese radio codes and knew full well that the attack on Peal Harbor was coming?

On November 25, 1941 Japan’s Admiral Yamamoto sent a radio message to the group of Japanese warships that would attack Pearl Harbor on December 7. Newly released naval records prove that from November 17 to 25 the United States Navy intercepted eighty-three messages that Yamamoto sent to his carriers. Part of the November 25 message read: “...the task force, keeping its movements strictly secret and maintaining close guard against submarines and aircraft, shall advance into Hawaiian waters, and upon the very opening of hostilities shall attack the main force of the United States fleet in Hawaii and deal it a mortal blow...”.

Did it tell you that FDR wanted to get into the war but needed a "call to action" in order to drum up public support since eighty to ninety percent of the American people wanted nothing to do with Europe’s war. Did your research tell you that in late November 1941 an order was sent out to all US military commanders that stated: “The United States desires that Japan commit the first overt act.” According to Secretary of War Stimson, the order came directly from President Roosevelt. Did your research lead to discovering the “overt act of war” plan that President Roosevelt adopted on October 7, 1940?

I could go on and on but the point is that the Pearl Harbor Attack was just one more example of the Military Industrial Complex letting things happen or using false flag terror attacks in order to push their agenda.

As for your comment that "Anyone who thinks soldiers, sailors and marines are "policemen" are ignorant and have no appreciation of what soldiers, sailors and marines are trained to do."

I didn't say they were policemen. I said the troops have been used to police the world. There is a big difference. I do support our troops, I do not support the Government and Military leaders who are controlled by the Military Industrial Complex. That being said, it is an undesputable fact that our troops are being trained to take on American citizens and are trained on door-to-door gun confiscation. This type of thing happens routinely in Iraq. Hell, the Austin Swat Team went to Iraq to train in door-to-door gun confiscation along side the troops. All I can tell you is to do some more research and find out what is really going on in the world.

Your summation is completely incorrect.