Obamacare Death Panels Arriving

[WTF]

I love how tries to lecture people that have not read the ACA when in fact has not read it either! Does the word hypocrisy come to mind?

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Costs have been "reduced" overall because of the fall in the economy .. ACA hasn't even kicked in yet ... how the fuck can that stupid you-know-what claim that .....

.. Congress (separate from ACA) mandated reductions in Medicare ... not a friggin thing to do with ACA ... budget reductions and falling economy have reduced "overall" spending costs ... the individual user is paying more now than 2 years ago.

Those idiots are even counting the "surcharges" they have not collected yet.... funny money!

"Over six million people with Medicare have saved $7 billion under the Affordable Care Act, the Health and Human Services Department announced Monday." Who said this shit?

That has NOTHING to do with ACA!

some parts have, obviously ..

but the idiots using funny money to predict the cost are the same as the idiots touting the failure of the program

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by CJ7

While several states have projected lower health care premiums for those who purchase their own health care, the effect of the law remains unclear. Most recently, Maryland and New York have estimated significant decreases in insurances costs under the Affordable Care Act.

You really ought to carefully read what you just wrote ...

...........remember the "sentence diagrams"?

1. While several states have projected lower health care premiums ...

2. the effect of the law remains unclear.

3. Maryland and New York ......

4.....estimated significant decreases in insurances costs under the Affordable Care Act..

Did you read this REPORT?

http://www.cms.gov/Research-Statisti...roj2011PDF.pdf

Look at Table 17 and then reread what you are claiming.

Even though the government is reducing services provided under medicare/Medicaid the COSTS increase!!!

And the COSTS INCREASE at the rate of 4 to 40 times the rate of inflation.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

http://www.cms.gov/Research-Statisti...roj2011PDF.pdf

Look at Table 17 and then reread what you are claiming.

Even though the government is reducing services provided under medicare/Medicaid the COSTS increase!!!

And the COSTS INCREASE at the rate of 4 to 40 times the rate of inflation.

Wait...that can't be because of Obamacare....you keep claiming that it hasn't started yet!

BTW LL, have you read the ACA?

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by WTF

Wait...that can't be because of Obamacare....you keep claiming that it hasn't started yet!

BTW LL, have you read the ACA?

Yes. And I focused on those provisions that have caused the most whining ... and boasting.

How about you ... golf ball chaser!

It was necessary and appropriate for me review those provisions that impact employers and employees .... as well as those provisions that provide for administrative and/or judicial review of the decisions of "the Secretary" ... as opposed to ...

the blog bullshit that feeds your "brain" or ....mouth is more like it. Now go back in your hole!

Where did I blame anything up to this date on "Obamacare" .. OTHER THAN

the impact on insurance being offered for 2014 and employment opportunities for 2010-2013?

Please don't waste more bandwidth trying to tag me with something YOU WISHED I HAD SAID!

[WTF]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

... as opposed to ...

the blog bullshit that feeds your "brain" or ....mouth is more like it. Now go back in your hole!

!

This is not a blog LexusLiar...This is from someone from MIT who helped with the bill. Any more lies?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/05/ny...anted=all&_r=0

Jonathan Gruber, an economist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who was a paid consultant to the Obama administration on health care policy, said forcing state and local governments to rein in health care costs was exactly what the tax was intended to do

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by WTF

This is not a blog LexusLiar...This is from someone from MIT who helped with the bill. Any more lies?

LexusLiar! Has a snappy little ring to it, doesn't it?

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

You really ought to carefully read what you just wrote ...

...........remember the "sentence diagrams"?

1. While several states have projected lower health care premiums ...

2. the effect of the law remains unclear.

3. Maryland and New York ......

4.....estimated significant decreases in insurances costs under the Affordable Care Act..

Did you read this REPORT?

http://www.cms.gov/Research-Statisti...roj2011PDF.pdf

Look at Table 17 and then reread what you are claiming.

Even though the government is reducing services provided under medicare/Medicaid the COSTS increase!!!

And the COSTS INCREASE at the rate of 4 to 40 times the rate of inflation.

structure this ..



Already in effect:

• It allows the Food and Drug Administration to approve more generic drugs (making for more competition in the market to drive down prices) ( [1] Citation: An entire section of the bill, called Title VII, is devoted to this, starting on page 747 )
• It increases the rebates on drugs people get through Medicare (so drugs cost less) ( [2] Citation: Page 216, sec. 2501 )
• It establishes a non-profit group, that the government doesn't directly control, [3] PCORI, to study different kinds of treatments to see what works better and is the best use of money. ( [4] Citation: Page 665, sec. 1181 )
• It makes chain restaurants like McDonalds display how many calories are in all of their foods, so people can have an easier time making choices to eat healthy. ( [5] Citation: Page 499, sec. 4205 )
• It makes a "high-risk pool" for people with pre-existing conditions. Basically, this is a way to slowly ease into getting rid of "pre-existing conditions" altogether. For now, people who already have health issues that would be considered "pre-existing conditions" can still get insurance, but at different rates than people without them. ( [6] Citation: Page 30, sec. 1101, Page 45, sec. 2704, and Page 46, sec. 2702 )
• It forbids insurance companies from discriminating based on a disability, or because they were the victim of domestic abuse in the past (yes, insurers really did deny coverage for that) ( [7] Citation: Page 47, sec. 2705)
• It renews some old policies, and calls for the appointment of various positions.
• It creates a new 10% tax on indoor tanning booths. ( [8] Citation: Page 923, sec. 5000B )
• It says that health insurance companies can no longer tell customers that they won't get any more coverage because they have hit a "lifetime limit". Basically, if someone has paid for health insurance, that company can't tell that person that he's used that insurance too much throughout his life so they won't cover him any more. They can't do this for lifetime spending, and they're limited in how much they can do this for yearly spending. ( [9] Citation: Page 14, sec. 2711 )
• Kids can continue to be covered by their parents' health insurance until they're 26. ( [10] Citation: Page 15, sec. 2714 )
• No more "pre-existing conditions" for kids under the age of 19. ( [11] Citation: Page 45, sec. 2704 and Page 57, sec. 1255 )
• Insurers have less ability to change the amount customers have to pay for their plans. ( [12] Citation: Page 47, sec. 2794 )
• People in a "Medicare Gap" get a rebate to make up for the extra money they would otherwise have to spend. ( [13] Citation: Page 379, sec. 3301 )
• Insurers can't just drop customers once they get sick. ( [14] Citation: Page 14, sec. 2712 )
• Insurers have to tell customers what they're spending money on. (Instead of just "administrative fee", they have to be more specific).
• Insurers need to have an appeals process for when they turn down a claim, so customers have some manner of recourse other than a lawsuit when they're turned down. ( [15] Citation: Page 42, sec. 2719 )
• Anti-fraud funding is increased and new ways to stop fraud are created. ( [16] Citation: Page 699, sec. 6402 )
• Medicare extends to smaller hospitals. ( [17] Citation: Starting on page 344, the entire section "Part II" seems to deal with this )
• Medicare patients with chronic illnesses must be monitored more thoroughly.
• Reduces the costs for some companies that handle benefits for the elderly. ( [18] Citation: Page 492, sec. 4202 )
• A new website is made to give people insurance and health information. (I think this is it: [19]http://www.healthcare.gov/ ). ( [20] Citation: Page 36, sec. 1103 )
• A credit program is made that will make it easier for business to invest in new ways to treat illness by paying half the cost of the investment. (Note - this program was temporary. It already ended) ( [21] Citation: Page 830, sec. 9023 )
• A limit is placed on just how much of a percentage of the money an insurer makes can be profit, to make sure they're not price-gouging customers. ( [22] Citation: Page 22, sec. 1101 )
• A limit is placed on what type of insurance accounts can be used to pay for over-the-counter drugs without a prescription. Basically, your insurer isn't paying for the Aspirin you bought for that hangover. ( [23] Citation: Page 800, sec. 9003 )
• Employers need to list the benefits they provided to employees on their tax forms. ( [24] Citation: Page 800, sec. 9002 )
• Any new health plans must provide preventative care (mammograms, colonoscopies, etc.) without requiring any sort of co-pay or charge. ( [25] Citation: Page 14, sec. 2713 )

just like I said, obviously some parts are in effect, and SAVING people money ... the part you're bitching about not saving money hasn't gone into effect YET ,,, but you bitch anyway.

see how that works?

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Yes. And I focused on those provisions that have caused the most whining ... and boasting.

How about you ... golf ball chaser!

It was necessary and appropriate for me review those provisions that impact employers and employees .... as well as those provisions that provide for administrative and/or judicial review of the decisions of "the Secretary" ... as opposed to ...

the blog bullshit that feeds your "brain" or ....mouth is more like it. Now go back in your hole!

Where did I blame anything up to this date on "Obamacare" .. OTHER THAN

the impact on insurance being offered for 2014 and employment opportunities for 2010-2013?

Please don't waste more bandwidth trying to tag me with something YOU WISHED I HAD SAID!

you've read the bill, or parts of the bill ... I call bullshit



which page and paragraph ?

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by WTF

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/05/ny...anted=all&_r=0

Jonathan Gruber, an economist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who was a paid consultant to the Obama administration on health care policy, said forcing state and local governments to rein in health care costs was exactly what the tax was intended to do

You talking about "Kate Taylor"?

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/author/kate-taylor/

I was using the term "blog" generally. She doesn't call her shit a "blog" but she posts her "blog"!

So, when does this "tax" ..... "to rein in health care costs" actually "kick in"?

Oh wait! Your "blog" tells us that .....

"Municipal unions opposed the inclusion of the tax in the health care law, and it was partly their efforts that succeeded in delaying its effective date until 2018."

If you can't read blogs and understand what is said in a blog ....

.. know wonder you don't know shit about ACA .. YOU CAN'T FRIGGIN READ!!!!

".... succeeded in delaying its effective date until 2018."

Thank you WTF for yet another example of your incompetence, approved by BT, of course!

2018

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by CJ7

you've read the bill, or parts of the bill ... I call bullshit

which page and paragraph ?

Well, we know you didn't with any level of comprehension now don't we!!!!!

You can't even read and understand a post on a SOBBoard with 8-10 lines on it.

You and WTF are 2 peas in a pod.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by therock18

http://www.lifenews.com/2013/08/09/o...der-obamacare/

Death Panels ..... Remember?

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Death Panels ..... Remember?

IRO's .... ACA.

[therock18]

Your family tree is the one that goes up in a straight line!!! Libtards inbreed which accounts for their stupidity!!!

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

In breeding causes folks like LL JD and IB.

[JD Barleycorn]

Why bother trying to explain to Tex. His brain probably looks like cottage cheese. His assertion that Obamacare hasn't started yet...well, it has started. It has already cost jobs and closed businesses. We haven 't even saw the tax increases yet but it is here. We already have the goodies starting but the only people with any hope of seeing anything at this time are the parasites. Then again, Harry Reid admits that this is only the first step to socialized medicine which has been such a success that 7,000 people a year die from neglect, government neglect. They like to call it sindle payer.