[National News] Utah Man Killed While FBI Serves Warrant

[Devo]

BTW, I wonder what agent took home his M24, those rifles aren't cheap.

It'll never see an evidence room.

[DNinja69]

Originally Posted by berryberry

And thank you for confirming you choose ideology over facts, reason and common sense

Please explain how the deceased deranged man was unable to carry out the threat of using his pistol to violently eradicate FBI agents should they return?

Or should I ask your neighbor if that is the correct process for finding truth?

The threats that this deranged individual posted were disgusting and vile. Of all our Freedom that are protected by our Constitution I put speech near the top of my list and today we have many more outlets than the founders ever imagined. When we cross the line from simple expressing ourselves into causing harm to others it cannot be protected. A politician or public figure accepts that they will have haters and little can or should be done for those expressing that publicly.

This man did not want his day in court. He was not simply speaking his mind. He was looking for a fight. Those who despise the current administration may have cheered had he made good on his threats. As disgusting as that sounds it is certainly not far fetched but with the information available today I see that Justice was done. The threat of a deranged man with fantasies of executing people over a political dispute is a different type of Jihad but the mindset is much the same. His choices determined his fate. That is an example of Freedom on a very personal level

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by Mistershark

You didn’t see his Facebook? MAGA terrorist got put down.

Meal Team 6 got reduced to Meal Team 5.

One less delusional MAGA terrorist out there embarrassing the country. This is a win/win/win. There's probably a 4th win in there, too.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by Devo

You support this murder, because an old white Trump supporter got his.

The Hypocrisy here knows know limits, celebrating the death of a human being that didn't need to occur.

THAT is one of the sicknesses that pervade the left, that its fine when your side does it, burning down cites, or creating a "CHOP", where other people die in the lawlessness, but when an old white dude gets mouthy, kill him, and celebrate.

Some of you need to look in the mirror and see the sickeness within.

So very, very true.

And it is not just one of them. As I noted before, the telling thing is this thinking is par for the course for nearly all leftists and Trump haters. Notice how not one of them here criticized a few of their fellow posters for their utterly inhumane and despicable remarks celebrating this innocent man's death.

That is because they think the same way

They are happy and celebrating that a 75 year old nearly disabled vet was murdered for simply making cranky online comments about Senile Biden and other leftists

How despicable and pathetic
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[tommy156]

"Simply making cranky online comments about Biden"

That is a disgusting obfuscation of the truth, and not at all why he was killed (note: NOT murdered).

[DNinja69]

Originally Posted by Devo

What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

We had this same thing happen locally, FBI agent killed when they raided the home of a drug suspect who could have been taken easily at work most days of the week.

Wife got scared during the door being knocked down, shot around a corner and killed an agent, THAT time it was an agent who was needlessly killed.

How many other needless deaths have occurred during warrants served like this, where the person could have been taken easily elsewhere.

Again, I'll state it again, change the persons color, and, this is a completely different story, how about one of the black militia members who make threats and film themselves with the same types of weapons?

You support this murder, because an old white Trump supporter got his.

The Hypocrisy here knows know limits, celebrating the death of a human being that didn't need to occur.

THAT is one of the sicknesses that pervade the left, that its fine when your side does it, burning down cites, or creating a "CHOP", where other people die in the lawlessness, but when an old white dude gets mouthy, kill him, and celebrate.

Some of you need to look in the mirror and see the sickeness within.

Wrong, is wrong, your beliefs don't justify murder, you want a civil war, say it.

I agree everyone should have their day in court. The deceased in Utah did not seem to want that but he most certainly could have taken that route. He escalated this not the FBI. Whether it is the local Sheriff or FBI or any other agency when you publicly proclaim the intent to execute them next time they show up you will see a response that is well beyond just knocking on the door to serve a warrant. Anyone arguing differently is on some level delusional.

Wherever the encounter takes place we are all expected to comply with warrant service. For sure the expected response should be considered and an approach chosen that would likely produce the least amount of unintended consequences. There are way too many cases where cops went in guns blazing or shot people who given the situation did not have time to actually grasp what was happening. This was one man living along by all accounts making specific threats in response to being investigated for making violent threats. It was not murder and I voted for Trump so spare me all that nonsense.

My side? That is a primary dysfunction that this case in Utah speaks to directly. I say 'let Justice be done' meaning follow the legal path to accountability and let the accused offer a defense or on some level correct the behavior to avoid further issues. That is why courts exist is it not? Correct behavior. Punish infractions. Uphold rights so that we can all be judged according to the law not based on our skin tone, political leanings, religious, etc. Not saying it actually works that way. But that is the idea.

We are engaged in Civil War. Not with rifles but with social media posts, each side investigating the other for anything they can cling to as justification, and this absurd practice of trying to label someone a leftist for embracing the effort to try and keep the peace. Let a Trump supporter get shot after making specific threats that would likely cause anyone reading a story about him call 911 and report it and suddenly the 'just lock em all up serves em right' crowd goes soft on crime and wants hugs instead of handcuffs? So for you it only matters who someone supports politically? If they agree let the be, if they don't hell to pay? Is that the script you are trying to sell here?

[HDGristle]

Devo, J and Berry...

If he pointed a gun at the agents, or tried to draw on them... do you support the use of deadly force by the agents?

Regardless of the threats made or his neighbors' opinions or how spry he was/wasn't. What say you?

This is an if, and not a rhetorical trap. Just ah honest question.

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by DNinja69

Let a Trump supporter get shot after making specific threats that would likely cause anyone reading a story about him call 911 and report it and suddenly the 'just lock em all up serves em right' crowd goes soft on crime and wants hugs instead of handcuffs? So for you it only matters who someone supports politically? If they agree let the be, if they don't hell to pay? Is that the script you are trying to sell here?

It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad, how they just flip-flop in the breeze regarding law enforcement, depending on the situation and the resulting political expediency.

In other words, they all "back the blue" until they don't.

[berryberry]

The FBI summarily executed this 75 year old man to send a message terrorize the nation against dissent and now it’s back firing.

People aren’t afraid, they’re disgusted and calling out the corrupt FBI except for some leftists and Trump haters that are pathetically celebrating it.

[HDGristle]

That's quite the conclusion to draw without all the evidence.

Also sad that you either ignore or refuse to answer a simple question.

I'm prepared to ask a similar question to the other side about their hot takes if you three oblige the one asked of you

[tommy156]

Dude was warned about making threats; he didn't listen. In fact, the threats got worse and more specific (naming individual people). The FBI visited his home (i.e. giving him yet another chance to repent), and he pulls a gun on them. He deserved to die. Sorry/not sorry.

[Devo]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Devo, J and Berry...

If he pointed a gun at the agents, or tried to draw on them... do you support the use of deadly force by the agents?

Regardless of the threats made or his neighbors' opinions or how spry he was/wasn't. What say you?

This is an if, and not a rhetorical trap. Just ah honest question.

Suicide by cop, in his case, with his physical issues, it may have been just that, at some point, you are going out, at least, he did it the way he wanted to.

But yes, you point a gun, meaning, you just don't have a weapon in your hand, which, is completely LEGAL, until you point it, then, your choice, probably outcome not good.

THAT SAID, I have no case to judge this as it is, other than another murder by our Gestapo.

[Devo]

Originally Posted by tommy156

It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad, how they just flip-flop in the breeze regarding law enforcement, depending on the situation and the resulting political expediency.

In other words, they all "back the blue" until they don't.

Bullshit, utter bullshit, this case until shown otherwise is as bad as the case where the Cleveland cops jumped out of a moving car and shot the 12 year old black kid, with a toy gun.

Further, East Pittsburgh where the cop shot the kid running, with NO WEAPON, MURDER.

Or the case down south where the cop shot the guy in the back, and then put his taser near where he shot him, got caught of video doing it, and still didn't get CONVICTED, MURDER.

[Devo]

Originally Posted by tommy156

Dude was warned about making threats; he didn't listen. In fact, the threats got worse and more specific (naming individual people). The FBI visited his home (i.e. giving him yet another chance to repent), and he pulls a gun on them. He deserved to die. Sorry/not sorry.

Proof?

Other than the cops words?

[Jacuzzme]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Devo, J and Berry...

If he pointed a gun at the agents, or tried to draw on them... do you support the use of deadly force by the agents?

Absolutely.