The trial of Donald J. Trump

[claudefive]

Originally Posted by WTF

Lindsey knows he is in a pickle.

Trump and the stupid mutherfuckers on here calling for Hunter Biden to testify understand that they have the votes to make that happen. But they know the truth that Rudy and Donald having been lying about will come out if Biden testifies.

God Damn idiots in this forum will believe anything Trump says....Hell he got Ted Cruz to believe his daddy killed JFK.

Which blows up dilbert conspiracy theory.

Is this more hyperbole or just flat out lies?
Dems really dont wanr the bidens to testify. I guarantee that

[bambino]

Well, Trumps team certainly established Schiff is a congenital liar!!!!

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by WTF

You better hope you never get close to either of my sides...

You mean your face and your ass... yssup calls them "interchangeable partsies"!

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by WTF

...do you think it ok for Rudy to make up shit about an Ambassador to get them fired.

Why would Rudy make shit up when ambassadors serve at the whim of the POTUS? Nobody needed a fucking reason to fire her. You're just making up shit about Rudy making up shit.

Yovanovitch should have been canned on Day 1. She was a card-carrying member of the Deep State resistance. Any doubt on that score was removed when she opened her mouth in front of Shifty Schiff's House Intel committee.

If she had any sense of decency she would have resigned rather than wait to be "reassigned". That's how DOS professionals behaved before hildebeest came in and corrupted the entire State Department bureaucracy as odumbo's SOS from 2009-2012.

Hildebeest taught them all it was ok to act like entitled bitches - just like her!

[Jaxson66]

The only thing the trumptards established was the need to call witnesses.

The white men claiming their leader is innocent to the old white men of the Senate trump party demanding the Whitewash of the trial, isn’t a fair trial.

Trump’s to chicken shit to call Mulvaney or Bolton, and the old white men will comply with their supreme leader’s will.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

So yeah, you don't need a "crime" but it sure would help

It won't help now that the precedent has been set. As per this DOJ. A crime does not help removal. Extremely disheartening.



First, it was not "this DOJ" that defined that rule. It was first promulgated during the Nixon administration.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1QF1D3


In 1973, in the midst of the Watergate scandal engulfing President Richard Nixon, the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel adopted in an internal memo the position that a sitting president cannot be indicted. Nixon resigned in 1974, with the House of Representatives moving toward impeaching him.
“The spectacle of an indicted president still trying to serve as Chief Executive boggles the imagination,” the memo stated.


The department reaffirmed the policy in a 2000 memo, saying court decisions in the intervening years had not changed its conclusion that a sitting president is “constitutionally immune” from indictment and criminal prosecution. It concluded that criminal charges against a president would “violate the constitutional separation of powers” delineating the authority of the executive, legislative and judicial branches of the U.S. government.


“The indictment or criminal prosecution of a sitting President would unconstitutionally undermine the capacity of the executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned functions,” the memo stated.


The 1973 and 2000 memos are binding on Justice Department employees, including Mueller, according to many legal experts. Mueller was appointed in May 2017 by the department’s No. 2 official Rod Rosenstein.


Surely you understand the difference between being indicted and being impeached, but maybe not. The DOJ finding has nothing to do with impeachment. If one reads the words of the Constitution regarding impeachment and doesn't get into what the founding fathers meant but the words in front of your eyes, the only conclusion you should come to is that the Constitution talks about crimes. Bribery and Treason are crimes and then "high crimes" what's to interpret about that word? And misdemeanors which are crimes though minor crimes.

All impeachments of Presidents and public officials to date have included spelled out crimes. This impeachment will be the first in history not to specify a crime. It would help because Constitutional scholars wouldn't be able to make the argument that no crime was committed therefore these articles of impeachment are Un-Constitutional which is what the Republicans will argue.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Jaxson66

The only thing the trumptards established was the need to call witnesses.

The white men claiming their leader is innocent to the old white men of the Senate trump party demanding the Whitewash of the trial, isn’t a fair trial.

Trump’s to chicken shit to call Mulvaney or Bolton, and the old white men will comply with their supreme leader’s will.

It was Pelosi's responsibility to obtain the witness statements in the House BEFORE she trotted her lame-ass charges over to the Senate. RE: the House managers -- four out of eight of those hypocritical mutha fuckers -- HALF of the mutha fucking team -- including gNadless -- voted AGAINST providing lethal aid to Ukraine.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

New audio appears to capture Trump saying he wants Ukraine ambassador fired


https://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/aud...fired-68516528

Wow! Confirmation that Trump said he wanted the Ambassador fired. We all knew she was fired and now we have the "BOMBSHELL confirmation that Trump actually spoke the words! OMG!

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by WTF

Trump and the stupid mutherfuckers on here... know the truth that Rudy and Donald having been lying about will come out if Biden testifies.

Huh? What the fuck are you smoking now?

If you think Hunter and his Quid Pro Quo Daddy will emerge after testifying smelling like a rose instead of stinking like your mama's twat, then I've got a luxury tower to sell you at 725 5th Avenue in Manhattan.

If either of those two stone-cold corrupt dim-retards weren't guilty as sin, they would've been shouting it from the rooftops months ago!

Gawd are you stupid!

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by WTF

Hopefully your boyfriend can convince you to do the same....if you're listening lustylad....do the right thing!

I always do the right thing... but it ain't my fucking job to help you find your next online faggot-abuser boyfriend. Have you tried updating your grindr profile?

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

It was Pelosi's responsibility to obtain the witness statements in the House BEFORE she trotted her lame-ass charges over to the Senate. RE: the House managers -- four out of eight of those hypocritical mutha fuckers -- HALF of the mutha fucking team -- including gNadless -- voted AGAINST providing lethal aid to Ukraine.

Isn't that the most hypocritical aspect of this entire thing? 4 of the House managers telling us how holding back lethal aid for Ukraine was a threat to our national security, voted against lethal aid 2 years before Trump decided to do it.


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...t-hypocrisy-o/


The Iowa Republican also said Rep. Jerrold Nadler, who is an impeachment manager, along with House Democratic Reps. Zoe Lofgren of California, Sylvia Garcia of Texas and Hakeem Jeffries of New York, all who either opposed or didn’t vote for national defense bills that included lethal aid to Ukraine.
“Four of the House managers have voted against lethal aid to Ukraine and they can sit there and lecture about this President not doing enough for Ukraine,” Ms. Ernst said. “This president has done more than they have and he has done more than the previous administration did.”

[HedonistForever]

Just finished watching the first days presentation by the defense and I thought it was quite effective countering all the lies told by Schiff and company but especially manager Jefferies whose lie after lie attorney Philbin categorized nicely.


Philbin was tasked with explaining the legal arguments behind the accusations from Jefferies and others that Trump decided on a "whole scale blocking of all subpoena's without any legal justification". Well, Philbin laid it all out in detail why that was a lie. He quoted chapter and verse as to why the initial request for subpoena's in the impeachment trial were illegal because they were sent without a full vote from the House. Remember the brilliant Nancy Pelosi decided to take it upon herself to start an impeachment inquiry without the required full vote of the House and any subpoena's issued before that vote were invalid. Jefferies continued to repeat the false notion that Trump merely ignored any request to negotiate which Trump's team also proved untrue.



And remember, as I have posted several times now ( Yikes, I'm starting to sound like the Democrat managers ) Obama ( close your eyes if whataboutism offends you ) refused subpoena's and document's for 2 years under Executive Privilege before a court orderd him to in the Fast and Furious case where his "wingman" AG Holder was found in contempt of Congress but apparently, that wasn't enough to get impeached. Funny how that works huh?. Trump is merely asking that his privilege be observed until a court tells him what he can keep from Congress and what he can't.


If it is agreed that witnesses can be called, undoubtedly Trump will assert EP on every member of the Executive branch and it will take a court order, not something John Roberts or even a majority of Senators can over ride.


Jay Sekulow was every effect in countering all the lies told about connecting aid to an investigation of the Bidens with a reoccurring "they didn't tell you that, did they". A very good day for Republican Senators who need ammunition if they are going to tell their constituents why they voted not to convict the President.

[Munchmasterman]

Flynn was warned it was likely that the Russian Ambassador's communications were being monitored.

Warned a month before the calls that landed him in hot water.
The phone tap was completely legal. It is standard procedure to monitor other country's communications to and from their embassies.
Of all of the new trump administration folks, you would think Flynn would know better than to talk over an open phone line to the Russian embassy.

He knows now.

"Billingslea warned Flynn that Kislyak was likely a target of U.S. surveillance and that his communications - whether with U.S. persons or superiors in Moscow - were undoubtedly being monitored by the FBI and National Security Agency, according to officials familiar with the exchange. Flynn, a retired three-star general who led the Defense Intelligence Agency, would presumably have been aware of such surveillance."
This has nothing to do with page and the gang or the FISA warrants in question.

They have transcripts of him talking to the Russians and his lies to the FBI are well documented.
He has signed documention admitting he lied. Looks to be a short trial.

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Yeah. Go back and find it. What you'll find is I said that Flynn will be exonerated.

FYI, it's reported today that two weeks ago the FISC conceded that the Comey, McCabe and Strzok's FISA requests were adulterated BS and "were not valid" -- ergo it follows that all proceeds are "fruit of the poisonous tree".

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

Flynn was warned it was likely that the Russian Ambassador's communications were being monitored.

Warned a month before the calls that landed him in hot water.
The phone tap was completely legal. It is standard procedure to monitor other country's communications to and from their embassies.
Of all of the new trump administration folks, you would think Flynn would know better than to talk over an open phone line to the Russian embassy.

He knows now.

"Billingslea warned Flynn that Kislyak was likely a target of U.S. surveillance and that his communications - whether with U.S. persons or superiors in Moscow - were undoubtedly being monitored by the FBI and National Security Agency, according to officials familiar with the exchange. Flynn, a retired three-star general who led the Defense Intelligence Agency, would presumably have been aware of such surveillance."
This has nothing to do with page and the gang or the FISA warrants in question.

They have transcripts of him talking to the Russians and his lies to the FBI are well documented.
He has signed documention admitting he lied. Looks to be a short trial.

Bullshit! FACT: Agents wearing wires authorized by the FISA warrants went to the fucking White House to entrap whom ever they fucking could! Flynn was targeted not only because he was working with Trump but also because Odumbo had a hard-on for him because of their significant policy disagreements over policies regarding the War on Terror.

PLUS, the fucking agents who originally investigated Flynn said they did not believe Flynn was lying! But that changed and the original 302s disappeared. Flynn will be fucking exonerated when the whole fucking case is thrown out because of government malfeasance.

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

Isn't that the most hypocritical aspect of this entire thing? 4 of the House managers telling us how holding back lethal aid for Ukraine was a threat to our national security, voted against lethal aid 2 years before Trump decided to do it.


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...t-hypocrisy-o/


The Iowa Republican also said Rep. Jerrold Nadler, who is an impeachment manager, along with House Democratic Reps. Zoe Lofgren of California, Sylvia Garcia of Texas and Hakeem Jeffries of New York, all who either opposed or didn’t vote for national defense bills that included lethal aid to Ukraine.
“Four of the House managers have voted against lethal aid to Ukraine and they can sit there and lecture about this President not doing enough for Ukraine,” Ms. Ernst said. “This president has done more than they have and he has done more than the previous administration did.”

+1

[WTF]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Huh? What the fuck are you smoking now?

If you think Hunter and his Quid Pro Quo Daddy will emerge after testifying smelling like a rose instead of stinking like your mama's twat, then I've got a luxury tower to sell you at 725 5th Avenue in Manhattan.

If either of those two stone-cold corrupt dim-retards weren't guilty as sin, they would've been shouting it from the rooftops months ago!

Gawd are you stupid!

You stupid as fuck if you think , I think you have anything of luxury to sell besides your momma's 10 inch dildo she uses on bambino's ass your mouth and her twat.