I Think Biden is Choosing Susan Rice as His Running Mate...

[Aoi]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

Call sheets that someone forgot to declassify. The joke is on you bud.

From YOUR link:

State Department spokesman John Kirby said call sheets are often classified when they are prepared. But then at some point before the call is made, someone with the appropriate authority will declassify them. These two call sheets sent to Clinton unnecessarily retained their confidential markings due to human error, Kirby said.

Go get the link that has Comey's testimony before Congress. One email with a couple of sentences marked with a "C" out of a 155,000 emails. Not seeing or recognizing the "C" is negligence. You will not go to jail or be indicted for negligence. It had nothing to do with HRC's last name.

You get indicted when you try to get access to classified information that you are not cleared to see. You get indicted when you try to give classified material to the enemy of the USA. You will not go to jail for having in your possession classified information that you have been cleared to see, when it was sent non-classified.

Do you just not understand the part where Hillary deleted her shit?

[Aoi]

I would like to agree with you about that.
Back to the time when Henry Cisneros (sp) was a canidate for Housing Secretary and the FBI nicked that by uncovering payments he made to his side squeeze. I couldn't understand why what he did in private took him out but that appartently is the law. And so be it with trump. I guess you can only talk about grabbing them by the pussy and not pay them $130K.

So, you got any documented proof to back up your statements about trumps bottom line? The very few documented looks at his books show another story.

Trump's bottom line? Examples, dude. Stop giving me vague statements and give me examples.

Family accounts of such have already been printed and all trump can say it's a hack job.

Family accounts? What are you babbling about? Was anything I said about Trump false in any way? About him actually being successful in life before politics? About him being a media super star? About him running successful businesses? There are literal buildings that are under Trump and you're trying to say it's a hack job? Trump is successful. Far more than any other politician in the history of the country. You cannot dispute this, at all.

Understanding a little bit of trumpspeak, that means it is the truth because he can't counter it. And the non-profit that was forced to shut down. And the heads of it being court ordered to take ethic classes. You gonna tell me that is the sign of a true leader of finances? Lets not get into the loans from the German bank. trump could shut everybody up by disclosing his taxes. I would really like it if he would so he could give the finger to everyone. But of course, that would be contingent on him telling the truth.

Trump is a billionaire, dude. You can try to nitpick all you want with cherrypicked, random anecdotes, but you cannot deny his success.

And why do you care about Trump's taxes? Seriously, what does it mean to you what a private citizen spent or earned before going into politics. The reality is, you don't give two fucks about Trump's taxes.

Otherwise, I agree with you on that. Hell, I know when heads of state died in europe, not only the wife was at the funeral, the Mistress would be also. America is a bit uptight. But the lecherous intent should be kept from the public to keep the voters from acting on their feelings.

What in Zeus' ass hole are you babbling about?

You asked for a mainstream media that had trumpcentric view point. *MY* definition of mainstream news includes someone who has a cable channel across all of the USA that is dedicated to, what they say is, news. Doesn't mean I believe it's news for the sake of news. And I will include the BBC since they have a history of supply news around the world for many decades with their short wave service that has recently been cancelled in favour for the internet. I do not include blogs.

I have cable. And I have no idea what channel OAN is on.

Are you really going to compare OAN to the likes of CNN, Fox and MSNBC? Seriously? You're grasping for straws here and it's pathetic. The two are incomparable in size and scope. You really think OAN, being as small as they are, compare to CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, EVERY LATE NIGHT COMEDIAN, social media platforms, Hollywood, technology sites, musicians, athletes and then some? Dude, you lost this point. Stop crying.

What is your definition of mainstream news.

CNN, MSNBC, Fox, ABC, CBS

Fuck off with that "OAN" bullshit, dude. You know damn well that's insignificant compared to the others.

The economy is going gangbusters. Why is it that big business are records big profits and the people are only get chicken scratch? There is something fundamentally wrong when the rich get richer and the poor poorer during a financial down turn. Don't give me any lip service about Covid.

Small and medium sized businesses were doing just fine before Covid. And if the poor want to stop being poor, they can work hard, come up with a successful business and become millionaires themselves. Why is it the fault of Bezos, Gates, Cook and others that they're successful when they earned it?

There's nothing fundamentally wrong about it at all. If you don't work hard, you don't get to complain. I don't give a shit how many hours you work in a week, if that's all you're doing, that's not an excuse. Stop trying to manipulate me with your "It's not fair, it's not fair!" bullshit, lefty.

Like the Pandemic Response report that Obama had? Even briefed the current admin about it. How's that going? Bet money that if they adopted that, things wouldn't be as they are now.

But he didn't get rid of the pandemic response team. He just moved people around.

Somebody obviously wanted it. Got made into law. And multiple times repeals have been made, they were shot down. People want what the true intent of it was. Not the current version. And seeing the repubs have had years to introduce a plan and have not....

You're right. Obama wanted it. And he got it. But the people didn't want it. And it got made into law by him using the Supreme Court to justify ACA as a tax, thus allowing it to pass.

Oh, and you're absolutely right about the Republicans. THEY SUCK. They had something like 7? years to come up with an idea but they didn't. So, make no mistake. I hate Republicans just as much as Democrats, if not more.

Careful Aoi. People will think you're a socialist liberal lover

Healthcare is complicated. No ONE side can get it right for everyone is all I'm saying. Anyone that says "Medicare for all can fix it!" is lying. Similarly, anyone that says "Just let the free market do it all!" probably doesn't understand that some people are in the worst places in life and do need someone to look out for them.

Obama had to pull up what Bush left him.

I mean, he literally had nowhere to go but up, so, yeah, kind of a low bar.

I don't mind paying taxes. But god, I sure want to see some results from it.

Just a friendly reminder that Democrats want to put your money into schools that teach kids how to hate non-lefties and Pelosi wants to put money into her art programs.

But then again, Republicans want war. So, again ,both sides suck dick.

And don't you try to think that Obama didn't give a headstart to trump. He did give him a heads up as all adminstrations leaving

What heads up? It was better than Bush's. Okay, thanks? I mean, Obamacare fucked up businesses, but I guess we should be thankful that it wasn't Bush levels bad?

The Hill give to the new one coming in. And "your boy" was shocked, as was Obama.

if by shocked, he gave the middle finger.. then yes.

Your boy from all the stuff he had to do and Obama from how stupid trump was. Don't make me get the article that someone in the room said that.

What are you babbling about? Obama's economy and presidency was him kissing the asses of other countries. I'm glad Trump is offing that weak shit.

As i've said, there are some good ideas that trump has. he bumbles around the room like a bull in the china shop implementing them. He should REALLY get some qualified people to implement such.

No. Trump's idea is to put America back on top, stay out of useless wars and build up our own economy. If he leaves it up to the people in the administration who aren't on the same page, the policy will become muddy to the point where it no longer resembles Trump's vision.

Have to admit I haven't. And I don't watch trump speeches either. See my comments about lying.
*I* just *feel* that in real time, in a debate, Biden can correct himself and move forward in a pinch better than trump.

There are columns saying Biden shouldn't debate Trump. Think about that for a minute.

We'll see what the voters have to say about economy that benefits big business while crumbs are thrown at the little people as a distraction.

What's wrong with businesses making a lot of money? Businesses are the people who create jobs. Businesses are the people who create products and goods that everyone can use. Businesses created your iPhone or Android phone. They create the car you drive. The coffee you drink. Tell me exactly why a barista should be earning comparatively well compared to an executive at Starbucks.

People complain that the tax cuts didn't help the middle class. Really? Because the middle class is saving thousands a year in taxes. Do you really think a family saving thousands in taxes a year cares that the CEO is also saving money? Why the fuck do you care about SOMEONE ELSE'S money so much?

See above where I directed comments to such.

You gave me some crap about taxes, about Germany.. some shit I don't care about because I got a migraine, ugh.

Again I ask you, why haven't any charges come about in court all these years if what you say is true? Stalling waiting for election is a political move and you so disdain such actions from previous comments you made.

It is true, actually. It's literally been documented that Biden was earning that much money from Burisma, despite having no experience with things like energy. And Biden admits LITERALLY ON TAPE, how he got Ukraine to back off investigating the company his son was earning that much money in. The dude fucking bragged about it.

And you wanna know why nobody made a move? I told you before.

Republicans. are. pussies.

[Aoi]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

[COLOR="red"]"Within the campaign." Should have made a police report. Keep it inhouse and this is what happens.
Frankly, I never seen an interview with her or know anything about her. Just that an accusation was made and no documentation backing it up. She should have made a police report. FOIA would do that rest.

I mean, generally within a company, when something like this happens, you report it up to proper chain of command. Also, when you tell the police, what do you think is going to happen? Without any form of evidence, it becomes a game of he-said-she-said.

I agree she still should have made a police report though.

But again, I ask, if Biden didn't do anything, why is he so bent on keeping these records sealed? Wouldn't he want to prove his innocent with actual documentation? Hrmmmmm

I don't watch CNN and the late nigh comedians

Could have fooled me with your vague bullshit.

I watch credit the sources when they make reference to such.

Examples?

Unlike trump who says "I heard it from a guy."

Examples?

You call me a liberal, does that make you one for agreeing with me? You have on multiple points.

You're crying about how unfair it is that big businesses make so much money while everyone else makes crumbs. That's a standard liberal talking point. Wait, are you a Bernie bro? OOOOOOH. it makes sense if you are!

So, don't pretend you aren't one if you say I am one.

I mean, I'm not going to deny that I am right leaning. Can you at least admit you're on the left? Nothing wrong with it. Just sack up and say you are.

My talking points usually have me asking for a person to supply a source for what they say.

What talking points exactly? They were all general, vague statements. What supply tells you to say that Trump isn't successful?

So far, you have given at least one generalization (say that as "economy") when I have asked for more details.

I mean, every economist in the world has pointed out that Trump's economy was the most successful economies in the history of the country.. are you really going to deny this?

I do have flexibilities but they only show when a person elaborates on what they post.

Economy. Period.

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by Grace Preston

You're leaving Ohio out of it.. and Ohio is most definitely in play. We're one of two states that suffered a net job loss pre-COVID.. and Ohio tends to turn on candidates pretty quickly when it comes to manufacturing industry issues. As it sits right now, the most gerrymandered House district in the entire country is in Ohio-- and for the first time in 20 years, is legitimately at risk of flipping. (The challenging candidate jokingly wears a gold charm shaped like OH-1.... it looks like a goldfish its so badly drawn... we've been ordered to change it, its that bad)



Flip Ohio back to blue.. you can lose one of the others (Pennsylvania is the only one of the 3 in number 1 that has more EC votes than Ohio).

I agree with you that Ohio is in play. The latest poll from "Real Clear Politics" only had Biden ahead by 1 point which is within the margin of error. Ohio could go either way. With Michigan Biden has an 8 point lead. Michigan will go blue this year. If Biden can flip two other states he will get to 270 and Trump goes home.

[txexetoo]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

I agree with you that Ohio is in play. The latest poll from "Real Clear Politics" only had Biden ahead by 1 point which is within the margin of error. Ohio could go either way. With Michigan Biden has an 8 point lead. Michigan will go blue this year. If Biden can flip two other states he will get to 270 and Trump goes home.

Stay away from the polls. they all had trump losing last year and he kicked hillarys ass. Biden is less than a year from full blown dementia. there is no way he gets elected.

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by txexetoo

Stay away from the polls. they all had trump losing last year and he kicked hillarys ass. Biden is less than a year from full blown dementia. there is no way he gets elected.

Yes, there is away. BTW Trump is only 3 years younger than Biden. It starts Michigan, Penn, Wisc, Ariz,North Carolina, Florida. If Biden flips any of these three Biden will get 270 electoral college votes.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

[Aoi]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

Yes, there is away. BTW Trump is only 3 years younger than Biden. It starts Michigan, Penn, Wisc, Ariz,North Carolina, Florida. If Biden flips any of these three Biden will get 270 electoral college votes.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

Biden is the dirtiest politician after Bush, Clinton and Obama. (That ran for President)

[TexTushHog]

Originally Posted by txexetoo

Stay away from the polls. they all had trump losing last year and he kicked hillarys ass. Biden is less than a year from full blown dementia. there is no way he gets elected.

Actually the polls weren’t wring last cycle. They were exceedingly accurate. Most national polls measure likely voters in proportions that mirror the popular vote. Trump out performed polling by at most 1 to 2 points. Action wide and the polls accurately predicted Hillary being substantially ahead (she had 3,000,000 ,ore votes than Trump). Sample sizes were smaller in State polls, but they were very close, too. Off an average of 2-3 points.

Final polling showed Hillary had a 70% chance of winning. Round ito 2/3. So if you rolled a die and it fines up 1-4, HRC wins; 5 or a 6, Trump wins. No one should have been surprised by either result.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...story-of-2016/

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...are-all-right/

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...tion-forecast/

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by Aoi

I would like to agree with you about that.
Back to the time when Henry Cisneros (sp) was a canidate for Housing Secretary and the FBI nicked that by uncovering payments he made to his side squeeze. I couldn't understand why what he did in private took him out but that appartently is the law. And so be it with trump. I guess you can only talk about grabbing them by the pussy and not pay them $130K.



Trump's bottom line? Examples, dude. Stop giving me vague statements and give me examples.


Shit. You must not read or are blinded by his pocket lining ways. He admitted he used his non-profit to scam $$$. Google Donald J Trump Foundation and you'll find enough about it. And how can you say he is a billionaire or I give a bottom line when the guy steadfastly refuses to produce figures? See the recent Supreme Court piece on that. If that guy is as rich as you say, it is on borrowed $$$ from shady bank deals.
But that isn't going to come out unless they pull it out of him like extracting teeth.
Not that I like quoting Mother Jones, but they point to procedures that he is suppose to follow about his money concerns but won't do. As follows,

"...Turns out, Trump is already kicking the can on another important bit of financial transparency: his annual personal financial disclosure. The disclosure is not nearly as revealing as bank and tax records, but details his assets, debts, and income. Trump has asked for unprecedented extensions twice this year.

The reports, which are required of all federal officials, would ordinarily have been due on May 15. But the Office of Government Ethics, which collects, reviews and approves the reports, granted a blanket 45-day extension to filers due to the COVID-19 pandemic. That extension expired on June 29, and Vice President Mike Pence’s personal financial disclosure was promptly filed the next day—but no sign of Trump’s. A White House official confirmed that a second 45-day extension was granted, as first reported by the New York Times, and said Trump asked for the extension because he “has a complicated report and he’s been focused on addressing the coronavirus crisis and other matters. As a result he’s been given an additional 45 days, but the President intends to file as soon as possible.”

Family accounts? What are you babbling about? Was anything I said about Trump false in any way? About him actually being successful in life before politics? About him being a media super star? About him running successful businesses? There are literal buildings that are under Trump and you're trying to say it's a hack job? Trump is successful. Far more than any other politician in the history of the country. You cannot dispute this, at all.

Successful in an unethical way, yes.
Bet you like it when you do work for someone and they don't pay you. Underhanded way to build assets. I have no cares about "media superstars." Not the point here unless it is cashing in on it. Which he does. Again, successful business enter contracts and honour them.
They pay for services due. You can google foreign workers not being paid by trump to see where those literal buildings come from. Money he doesn't pay the help. The hack job moniker can be heard on a National Palestian Radio broadcast.

Trump is a billionaire, dude. You can try to nitpick all you want with cherrypicked, random anecdotes, but you cannot deny his success.

Prove it by pointing out his tax statements.
And as I don't care about a persons social media presence, Define "success." We already have diffent definitions of mainstream media (yours is pretty narrow.)

And why do you care about Trump's taxes? Seriously, what does it mean to you what a private citizen spent or earned before going into politics. The reality is, you don't give two fucks about Trump's taxes.

Because *I* strongly feel he is using the office of the People to line his pockets. I give more than 2 fucks if he is using my $$$ for his pockets illegally.

What in Zeus' ass hole are you babbling about?

I could ask what polytheism you back your claims on his riches other than he is on TV or in the WH.
We've had prior crooks there before him.


I have cable. And I have no idea what channel OAN is on.

Up your service contract.

Are you really going to compare OAN to the likes of CNN, Fox and MSNBC? Seriously? You're grasping for straws here and it's pathetic. The two are incomparable in size and scope. You really think OAN, being as small as they are, compare to CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, EVERY LATE NIGHT COMEDIAN, social media platforms, Hollywood, technology sites, musicians, athletes and then some? Dude, you lost this point. Stop crying.

I'm not comparing. I'm saying it has a 24 hour channel on a service that is available across the whole USA. You have a narrow view of main stream.
If it is available on the same carrier as the ones you list and same place,...walks like a duck... I don't look at their bottomw line. Funny that you do but don't for the person we're talking about. Don't forget, the comedians on late night I watch quote their sources.

CNN, MSNBC, Fox, ABC, CBS

Fuck off with that "OAN" bullshit, dude. You know damn well that's insignificant compared to the others.

As I said, everywhere you find the above, I find OAN there. You seem to be stuck in the days of the rabbit ears on the TV that only got the three channels, public access and maybe the old Fox station. There are alot more content providers out there and they also dedicate themselves only to news albeit their brand of it.
Since you don't recognize a nationally broadcast station that claims to be news as mainstream, you cripple your definition of such. NEVER did you claim equivalent bottom line or any other strings.


Small and medium sized businesses were doing just fine before Covid. And if the poor want to stop being poor, they can work hard, come up with a successful business and become millionaires themselves. Why is it the fault of Bezos, Gates, Cook and others that they're successful when they earned it?

This is America. Home of the statement "What have you done for me today?" Hell, Horishima (sp) was doing well before the Enola Gay showed up.

And if the rich were doing so well, why are they at the trough grabbing $$$? I know you'll ignore the ethical point of my question. Is that *earning* it?

There's nothing fundamentally wrong about it at all. If you don't work hard, you don't get to complain. I don't give a shit how many hours you work in a week, if that's all you're doing, that's not an excuse. Stop trying to manipulate me with your "It's not fair, it's not fair!" bullshit, lefty.

And if you have the gold, you make the rules. And the current rule is you can pillage the pockets of the tax payer and grab a check now and odds are you don't have to pay it back. Let me guess, you took a hand out too. You call it fair. I'll call it on the grounds of ethics.

But he didn't get rid of the pandemic response team. He just moved people around.


And since it was an Obama playbook, moved that out. How is trumps plan on dealing with Covid coming along? Too bad he didn't follow what other countries that are more population dense, greater average age and alot closer to the source of outbreak are doing.
Google it. I haven't checked how the economies of those countries are doing but i'll bet they are more active than ours since people are out and about there.

You're right. Obama wanted it. And he got it. But the people didn't want it. And it got made into law by him using the Supreme Court to justify ACA as a tax, thus allowing it to pass.

Somebody wants it. Multiple efforts to repeal have failed. If it is an orphan, why is it still there with nobody helping it stay as you say?

Oh, and you're absolutely right about the Republicans. THEY SUCK. They had something like 7? years to come up with an idea but they didn't. So, make no mistake. I hate Republicans just as much as Democrats, if not more.


To me, they are mean spirited with implicit racist tendencies when it involved Obama. Repubs call the demos sheeple but it is them who blindly back a crooked person (no need to comment on that. I know your POV.)

Healthcare is complicated. No ONE side can get it right for everyone is all I'm saying. Anyone that says "Medicare for all can fix it!" is lying. Similarly, anyone that says "Just let the free market do it all!" probably doesn't understand that some people are in the worst places in life and do need someone to look out for them.


I'm glad you're sympathetic with it.
There is something morally wrong with people when they refuse to implement something that helps there fellow human beings. Some people are deserving of help.
I have to say i'm biased in this extent. I grews up in what people would call a socialist country. And I see no problem with a health care system that works and isn't governed by the overhead to just pay people who look at the loopholes to get $$$.

I mean, he literally had nowhere to go but up, so, yeah, kind of a low bar.




Just a friendly reminder that Democrats want to put your money into schools that teach kids how to hate non-lefties and Pelosi wants to put money into her art programs.

I think one of the tennants of our society is to education to its people, for free, till they go through the 12th grade. Can't have an illiterate society (but we're making great inroads of late to that ) OH! IMA LEFTY!

But then again, Republicans want war. So, again ,both sides suck dick.

I get a chuckle whenever you say that.

What heads up? It was better than Bush's. Okay, thanks? I mean, Obamacare fucked up businesses, but I guess we should be thankful that it wasn't Bush levels bad?




if by shocked, he gave the middle finger.. then yes.



What are you babbling about? Obama's economy and presidency was him kissing the asses of other countries. I'm glad Trump is offing that weak shit.

You got your America First banner flying and a Lindberg pin on your lapel?

No. Trump's idea is to put America back on top, stay out of useless wars and build up our own economy. If he leaves it up to the people in the administration who aren't on the same page, the policy will become muddy to the point where it no longer resembles Trump's vision.


I won't argue about being on top. Personally, I feel that those that are shitting on us should take over the roll of Super Power. But there are few countries that can do that and it could really backfire. I think the sway of the dollar is wanning.And when you lose the dominance of your currency....you're a smart cookie. As for policy, he has no plans to implement alot of what he wants to do. If he wants teh world to listen to us, than put in some damn qualified people and not have a Suharto goverment.

There are columns saying Biden shouldn't debate Trump. Think about that for a minute.


I won't. I like things transparent.
Let the people decide afterwards.


What's wrong with businesses making a lot of money? Businesses are the people who create jobs. Businesses are the people who create products and goods that everyone can use. Businesses created your iPhone or Android phone. They create the car you drive. The coffee you drink. Tell me exactly why a barista should be earning comparatively well compared to an executive at Starbucks.

I have no problem with "making" money.
I have a gripe about *taking* money for no work.
God. I wish I could find the source where a CEO worth was related to what he brought to the company with his work. That went out the window when less results were shown by the CEO but what he was paid went up astronomically. You don't have to comment on that if you believe if a business can bring in any $$$ by hook or crook.

People complain that the tax cuts didn't help the middle class. Really? Because the middle class is saving thousands a year in taxes. Do you really think a family saving thousands in taxes a year cares that the CEO is also saving money? Why the fuck do you care about SOMEONE ELSE'S money so much?

Yes. When it can be pointed out that if the business is so successful, why are they having their hand out to take money that ultimately comes from those same people without having to pay it back. I CARE ABOUT MY MONEY NOT BEING A PART OF THAT.


You gave me some crap about taxes, about Germany.. some shit I don't care about because I got a migraine, ugh.


And I got amnesia

It is true, actually. It's literally been documented that Biden was earning that much money from Burisma, despite having no experience with things like energy. And Biden admits LITERALLY ON TAPE, how he got Ukraine to back off investigating the company his son was earning that much money in. The dude fucking bragged about it.

Than they need to fucking charge him before he has a chance to be president. Otherwise it is like you complain: it will just be a political thing by the repubs stalling until it is to their benefit. THAT WOULD MAKE THE CHARGE POLITICALLY MOTIVATED. Do the right thing and have it hit the courts like it should have been years ago.

And you wanna know why nobody made a move? I told you before.

Republicans. are. pussies.

IDK what theme movie you're talking about.
I don't watch any of the current political ones.

[Chung Tran]

could the Bradley (a.k.a. Wilder) effect play out in 2020?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect

Biden has an 8 point (give or take) lead now, and has, according to "well-placed sources" narrowed his choice to either Rice or Harris. we will know by next week, with some 80 days left until the election.

could the polls be off by, say, 2-3 pct., based on the Bradley/Wilder effect? too soon to know, perhaps.. but if Biden's lead widens to, say, 10% by Mid-August, shortly after his VP pick?

I don't know, but I haven't heard any "pundit" offer an opinion that a particular choice of Biden's would increase his lead. quite the opposite, I'm hearing Biden hopes to choose someone who won't draw votes away.

[Aoi]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

Shit. You must not read or are blinded by his pocket lining ways. He admitted he used his non-profit to scam $$$. Google Donald J Trump Foundation and you'll find enough about it. And how can you say he is a billionaire or I give a bottom line when the guy steadfastly refuses to produce figures? See the recent Supreme Court piece on that. If that guy is as rich as you say, it is on borrowed $$$ from shady bank deals.

Citations and examples.

But that isn't going to come out unless they pull it out of him like extracting teeth.

No, what you're doing is patently dishonest. This way of thinking is "Guilty until proven innocent." Trump has no more obligation to reveal his financials as a private citizen to anyone than you do. But, of course, butthurt liberals like you can't stand it when the rich are rich, so you want to try and discredit them. I wonder when you're going to go after Steve Jobs for exploiting Chinese workers for cheap labor on iPhones?

What's even more hypocritical of you is "Trump scammed people and his silence on revealing his financials is proof he is complicit in his guilt" is your mantra but you disregard Tara Reade's accusation of Biden fingerfucking her because she didn't file a police report. So, you either deny that accusation of hers or you're choosing to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. All the while, claiming you're not Paritsan. Fuck outta here with that transparent bullshit, dude.

Not that I like quoting Mother Jones, but they point to procedures that he is suppose to follow about his money concerns but won't do. As follows,

"...Turns out, Trump is already kicking the can on another important bit of financial transparency: his annual personal financial disclosure. The disclosure is not nearly as revealing as bank and tax records, but details his assets, debts, and income. Trump has asked for unprecedented extensions twice this year.

The reports, which are required of all federal officials, would ordinarily have been due on May 15. But the Office of Government Ethics, which collects, reviews and approves the reports, granted a blanket 45-day extension to filers due to the COVID-19 pandemic. That extension expired on June 29, and Vice President Mike Pence’s personal financial disclosure was promptly filed the next day—but no sign of Trump’s. A White House official confirmed that a second 45-day extension was granted, as first reported by the New York Times, and said Trump asked for the extension because he “has a complicated report and he’s been focused on addressing the coronavirus crisis and other matters. As a result he’s been given an additional 45 days, but the President intends to file as soon as possible.”

Yeah, no. The fact is, revealing financial records is NOT a pre-requisite for running for office. Liberals want to make it seem like it is, but Trump doesn't have to. He can keep stalling the process to reveal his financials as long as he wants, because he isn't required to reveal it in the first place.

Also, quoting Mother Jones is like someone quoting the Daily Stormer for a immigration policies.

Successful in an unethical way, yes.

Prove it.

Bet you like it when you do work for someone and they don't pay you. Underhanded way to build assets. I have no cares about "media superstars." Not the point here unless it is cashing in on it. Which he does. Again, successful business enter contracts and honour them.
They pay for services due. You can google foreign workers not being paid by trump to see where those literal buildings come from. Money he doesn't pay the help. The hack job moniker can be heard on a National Palestian Radio broadcast.

Those foreign workers didn't get paid because they didn't do what Trump wanted them to do. You can do a shitty job, but it isn't the same as you getting paid for the job you were required to do.

Prove it by pointing out his tax statements.

I mean, virtually every business publication, Google, wikipedia and such says so. Unless you're discrediting them, your pathetic attempts at seeing his tax statements to prove it is laughably sorry.

Oh, and by the way, Trump paid something like 160 million dollars in tax a decade ago and this was revealed by Rachel Maddow when she claimed she got the scoop on him... and only made him look better in the process.

And as I don't care about a persons social media presence, Define "success." We already have diffent definitions of mainstream media (yours is pretty narrow.)

I mean, being a billionaire is a pretty good indicator of someone being successful. Same as having a huge business. A great family. Becoming a media sensation. Becoming the POTUS on your first try. I mean, these are objectively huge accomplishments. If you're going to argue against it, you REALLY are grasping for straws, lib.

also, OAN isn't mainstream media. You're just stretching it. Saying OAN is like mainstream media is like saying Breitbart or the Young Turks is mainstream media because they're websites that are always open and updating. They're not mainstream media.

Because *I* strongly feel he is using the office of the People to line his pockets. I give more than 2 fucks if he is using my $$$ for his pockets illegally.

PROVE IT! You don't get to say "Well, he's not revealing his taxes BEFORE he became President, so he must be crooked!" That's like trying to prove a negative.

And if you care so much about how your money is spent, why have you not bitched about Nancy Pelosi holding up yet ANOTHER stimulus bill because she wants money to go into stupid fucking side programs that have nothing to do to help Americans?

I could ask what polytheism you back your claims on his riches other than he is on TV or in the WH.

Business publications.

We've had prior crooks there before him.

We sure did. His name was Obama. Piece of shit mother fucker.

Up your service contract.

I mean, I have a pretty substantial contract with all of the premium channels like HBO, Cinemax, Showtime and such.. if OAN isn't even a part of that package, it sure as shit ain't mainstream.

I'm not comparing. I'm saying it has a 24 hour channel on a service that is available across the whole USA. You have a narrow view of main stream.
If it is available on the same carrier as the ones you list and same place,...walks like a duck... I don't look at their bottomw line. Funny that you do but don't for the person we're talking about. Don't forget, the comedians on late night I watch quote their sources.

Breitbart is on the internet and the internet is available 24/7.

Young Turks is also internet-based and constantly updating 24/7.

Hell, there are independent content creators that practically never sleep to talk about the news (like Tim Pool).

Are they mainstream? No.

The reality is, OAN is not mainstream, no matter how long they run. You're reaching it.

Also, OF COURSE late night comedians quote them! They're going to try and attack any right wing outlet! Why wouldn't OAN be on there if it's easy pickings? Being attacked by late night comedians doesn't make you mainstream. Hell, they attack random congress people. Does that make that person mainstream? Nope.

As I said, everywhere you find the above, I find OAN there. You seem to be stuck in the days of the rabbit ears on the TV that only got the three channels, public access and maybe the old Fox station. There are alot more content providers out there and they also dedicate themselves only to news albeit their brand of it.
Since you don't recognize a nationally broadcast station that claims to be news as mainstream, you cripple your definition of such. NEVER did you claim equivalent bottom line or any other strings.

I have a pretty substantial package. And I don't even know if I have OAN. Also, if OAN is so mainstream, why do I never see them played at places like air ports? Banks? Any major public place?

Stop moving the goal post to my definition of "mainstream."

Seriously, is this the hill you want to die on? OAN being a mainstream network? Please.

This is America. Home of the statement "What have you done for me today?"

Says who?

Hell, Horishima (sp) was doing well before the Enola Gay showed up.

So was Pearl Harbor before Japan bombed it. What the FUCK are you babbling about, dude?

And if the rich were doing so well, why are they at the trough grabbing $$$? I know you'll ignore the ethical point of my question. Is that *earning* it?

Because it's the rich people who do all of the risk-taking. Who do you think creates your jobs? Invests money into building businesses? Working out LLC deals? Getting patents? Working with regulations? Sorting out your benefits? If a business goes under, the non-rich, "regular" worker might be out of a job, but the rich, business owner lost money and incur all of the debt.

And if you have the gold, you make the rules. And the current rule is you can pillage the pockets of the tax payer and grab a check now and odds are you don't have to pay it back. Let me guess, you took a hand out too. You call it fair. I'll call it on the grounds of ethics.

I mean, that's the government in general.

And since it was an Obama playbook, moved that out.

Except, it wasn't moved out. He redistributed the money around but the format is still there.

How is trumps plan on dealing with Covid coming along?
Too bad he didn't follow what other countries that are more population dense, greater average age and alot closer to the source of outbreak are doing.

I mean, back in January, he banned travel from China. He created a task force, specially to deal with Covid. His team came up with the social distancing thing. He shut down the country for a month and a half to build up PPE reserves. He sent federal help to that dickwad Cuomo in NY to assist there. He gave a step-by-step phased approach to restarting the economy. He's done quite a bit. Other issues, you're neglecting falls to state's rights.

Google it. I haven't checked how the economies of those countries are doing but i'll bet they are more active than ours since people are out and about there.

You don't understand how arguing works, do you? Saying "Google it" is NOT how you present your view. The onus is on YOU to present YOUR view. And the other way around.

Somebody wants it. Multiple efforts to repeal have failed. If it is an orphan, why is it still there with nobody helping it stay as you say?

Nah. It didn't get widespread Congressional approval, so yeah. not really wanted. And it's been failed to repeal because politicians are ass holes. Democrats want to keep taxing everyone, Republicans pretend to be mad but don't do the work.

Both sides are shit.

To me, they are mean spirited with implicit racist tendencies when it involved Obama. Repubs call the demos sheeple but it is them who blindly back a crooked person (no need to comment on that. I know your POV.)

Republicans didn't treat Obama harshly because he was black. He was a FUCKING SHITTY ASS PRESIDENT.

The fact that you think it was because of race makes YOU a racist because YOU fail to see Obama as a failure as a POTUS but are seeing it as a race issue. So you automatically think less of him because he's black. Stop being racist, guy.

Also, you do realize that Trump wasn't even supported by the GOP until the 11th hour, right? Like, they were seriously thinking of doing a brokered convention in the event he didn't get the required delegates. 2016 was supposed to be Bush or Rubio.

It was also a GOP majority Senate that failed to repeal Obamacare thanks to McCain. So, yeah. As I said, Republicans suck and are cowards.

I'm glad you're sympathetic with it.
There is something morally wrong with people when they refuse to implement something that helps there fellow human beings. Some people are deserving of help.
I have to say i'm biased in this extent. I grews up in what people would call a socialist country. And I see no problem with a health care system that works and isn't governed by the overhead to just pay people who look at the loopholes to get $$$.

The problem with socialism is, it is expensive. Like, really expensive. The simplest "fix" would be to simple make drugs cheaper. But that is also something that probably requires a lot of negotiation and I do not know enough about the healthcare industry to say a fix can be implemented so easily.

I think one of the tennants of our society is to education to its people, for free, till they go through the 12th grade. Can't have an illiterate society (but we're making great inroads of late to that ) OH! IMA LEFTY!

I think we should be teaching our students math, science and engineering instead of crap about trannies and revisionist history so Asia can stop kicking our asses so much.

You got your America First banner flying and a Lindberg pin on your lapel?

No, because then I'll probably get attacked by a crazy Karen. And when that happens, I'll have to defend myself with my fire arm. Then it'll just get expensive.

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by Aoi

Citations and examples.

Guess you haven't been paying attention to *mainstream media* these last couple of days. Wasn't surprised to hear on ABC that there are alot of legal proceedings going on now about it. So, be patient and you'll get your "citations" for these "examples."

No, what you're doing is patently dishonest. This way of thinking is "Guilty until proven innocent." Trump has no more obligation to reveal his financials as a private citizen to anyone than you do. But, of course, butthurt liberals like you can't stand it when the rich are rich, so you want to try and discredit them. I wonder when you're going to go after Steve Jobs for exploiting Chinese workers for cheap labor on iPhones?



What's even more hypocritical of you is "Trump scammed people and his silence on revealing his financials is proof he is complicit in his guilt" is your mantra but you disregard Tara Reade's accusation of Biden fingerfucking her because she didn't file a police report. So, you either deny that accusation of hers or you're choosing to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. All the while, claiming you're not Paritsan. Fuck outta here with that transparent bullshit, dude.

Alot of people don't know how good they have it with our system of jurisprudence by the innocent til guilty bit. They forget we separated ourself from good old King Georges guilty til innocent system. So call my hypocritical. Don't forget, you must be a bit of a liberal too for agreeing with me on some points. Haven't found a need for the Prep H yet. Ima all for people bettering their financial position. I just take note when they do that *betterment* by underhanded ways. Fair-n-square, no problem. Better mousetrap, all the power to you. Unethical and illegal, you can call me butt hurt but you got to own up to the fact that they are breaking the law if you hang that on me. I'll wave that in your face. (I don't like/own Apple products but I understand your point.) I don't keep tabs on the Tara lady but it seems to mirror the one you shoot down with the last Supreme Court justice. Both need to have pressed charges. I'm all for #metoo. But the higher the attention of the subject, the more people are going to be like me and you on it. A document goes a LONG WAY to removing doubt. Regardless of hindsight. If that document came up, I would go with it. Regardless the way it went. Otherwise it is a political hit job. Just like you bitch about. So, that would make you partisan since you've bitched about such in the past.


Yeah, no. The fact is, revealing financial records is NOT a pre-requisite for running for office. Liberals want to make it seem like it is, but Trump doesn't have to. He can keep stalling the process to reveal his financials as long as he wants, because he isn't required to reveal it in the first place.

Also, quoting Mother Jones is like someone quoting the Daily Stormer for a immigration policies.

By law, you are correct. By removing doubt, it does alot. And i'll point out the above by what have been going on this week concerning it. You can find citations and examples of what i'm talking about if you get a daily paper. And let me refresh what I said since you obviously missed/forgot/ignored, "Not that I like quoting Mother Jones..."


Prove it.

We'll let the courts hash that out. You don't like what little I put out there. His non-profit.
LOL! I just remembered a charity golf tournament where there was a $1,000,000 prize for a hole in one shot if a person made it. Guess what? A person made it. Celebrations where started and than they yanked the guy who made the shot aside and said "We can't pay you."
Ima sure you would have told him "No Problem! I give my left nut for you."

Those foreign workers didn't get paid because they didn't do what Trump wanted them to do. You can do a shitty job, but it isn't the same as you getting paid for the job you were required to do.


I'll let you have partial credit for that one. Shit happens on some jobs. But I guess when you *knowingly* higher (sp) a non-union crew using illegals because they undercut the tax paying ones you get what you pay for. You're going to have to give me credit for that.

I mean, virtually every business publication, Google, wikipedia and such says so. Unless you're discrediting them, your pathetic attempts at seeing his tax statements to prove it is laughably sorry.

Quote the source where the $$$ comes from.

Oh, and by the way, Trump paid something like 160 million dollars in tax a decade ago and this was revealed by Rachel Maddow when she claimed she got the scoop on him... and only made him look better in the process.

"What have you done for me today?" Let's not look through a thin slit. I do know he fucked up some deal(s) and has been getting a good write off on that.

I mean, being a billionaire is a pretty good indicator of someone being successful. Same as having a huge business. A great family. Becoming a media sensation. Becoming the POTUS on your first try. I mean, these are objectively huge accomplishments. If you're going to argue against it, you REALLY are grasping for straws, lib.

Pretty good on questionably leveraged $$$ perhaps (see legal maneuvers happening in the courts for this week.) Let's not get to talking about his family.
You gotta love a wife that wants a prenup modified when the hubby moves to the peoples house. Just leave the family out when it comes to like. You can mention as FLOTUS or the nepotism angle though. I'm not arguing against the landing of office, regardless of popular vote or not. So, I don't know why you bring that up. You don't need to suck it up for the guy.

also, OAN isn't mainstream media. You're just stretching it. Saying OAN is like mainstream media is like saying Breitbart or the Young Turks is mainstream media because they're websites that are always open and updating. They're not mainstream media.

Our definitions of mainstream media are different. Rephrasing it, people gotta have cable/satellite/Whatever or medium for content supplied to the home theatre. NOT including website/Blog/Vlog/Podcast. The ones you list also have OAN. I'm sure there are others but I don't pay attention to them. You only asked for me to supply a station that cocksmoked for the prez. I supplied it. If OAN was not 24 hours, news, and on tv station throughout the country, I would wholeheartedly agree with you. Don't be butthurt about it. Hell, I even consider Al-Jazeera mainstream even though it ain't from here. They probably would have supported trump until his stupid son-in-law came up with that idiotic solution to the palestian-israel thing.
Let's not go there.

PROVE IT! You don't get to say "Well, he's not revealing his taxes BEFORE he became President, so he must be crooked!" That's like trying to prove a negative.

Guy has already shown he'd rip off people to line his pocket with a non-profit. So, intent is there.
And even in charity events. Hell, his family was court ordered to take ethic classes because they are so fucked up on moral values. Alot of smoke. As I said previously, remove any restrictions for FOIA and you'll get your answer. And before we go further PROVE he is a billionaire. Just because a person is on tv doesn't mean your 15 minutes of fame went to the bank. Let's see the proof.

And if you care so much about how your money is spent, why have you not bitched about Nancy Pelosi holding up yet ANOTHER stimulus bill because she wants money to go into stupid fucking side programs that have nothing to do to help Americans?

So much for the do nothing demos.
How come you aren't bitching for the repubs to have an answer to this great economy we are having right now at this very instance? It ain't rosy like you think.A good leader would have had a plan. Like when all this shit hit the fan and the great cheeto ignored it. I won't even go on about how manyh lives would have been saved if a strong willed confident leader took charge from day one and not complained and ducked blame everywhere he could.

Business publications.

quote your source like you keep screeching me to. They can't just say a number. They got to follow the paper trail where it came from.

We sure did. His name was Obama. Piece of shit mother fucker.

There you are being narrow sighted again.
Show us a link to the court documents. We'll leave tricky dick alone I liked what little I saw on Frontline (you know that program financed by the Koch brothers? )about Clinton. Need to watch the whole thing.


I mean, I have a pretty substantial contract with all of the premium channels like HBO, Cinemax, Showtime and such.. if OAN isn't even a part of that package, it sure as shit ain't mainstream.

I don't think Bill Mahrer is on OAN LOL!

Breitbart is on the internet and the internet is available 24/7.

Not a 24 hour cable/satellite content news station.

Young Turks is also internet-based and constantly updating 24/7.

Rursus

Hell, there are independent content creators that practically never sleep to talk about the news (like Tim Pool).
Iterum

Are they mainstream? No.
Damn Skippy!

The reality is, OAN is not mainstream, no matter how long they run. You're reaching it.

As I stated, you have a narrow view of what *mainstream* is. Just because you don't have it programmed into your favourite channel list doesn't mean is ain't there. Regardless of it's corporate balance sheet.

Also, OF COURSE late night comedians quote them! They're going to try and attack any right wing outlet! Why wouldn't OAN be on there if it's easy pickings? Being attacked by late night comedians doesn't make you mainstream. Hell, they attack random congress people. Does that make that person mainstream? Nope.

Attack, support, chortle, whatever. Not all of them supply the quotes when they do there bit. Only the one or two I watch.
If it was a lie, I can see the source for it. So far, none of them have been fictious (unless previously posted before during a skit.) And they even have some of the people they've done skits/monologues show up as guest.
Regardless. The ones I watch are in your self defined definition of *mainstream*. Don't be a hypocrite.


I have a pretty substantial package. And I don't even know if I have OAN. Also, if OAN is so mainstream, why do I never see them played at places like air ports? Banks? Any major public place?

Stop moving the goal post to my definition of "mainstream."

Even though you are not a toddler, I think you know how to progam a remote to inclue the station.
Otherwise, I parrot "Up your service contract" since it is on the limited items I watch for news. And my "goal post" has never moved.

Now, I took a look at one of those websites whose content can be changed on the fly. Let me know if this is at least talking about what you think is *mainstream*:
"Mainstream media
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Mainstream media is a term and abbreviation used to refer collectively to the various large mass news media that influence many people, and both reflect and shape prevailing currents of thought.[1] The term is used to contrast with alternative media which may contain content with more dissenting thought at variance with the prevailing views of mainstream sources.

The term is often used for large news conglomerates, including newspapers and broadcast media, that underwent successive mergers in many countries. The concentration of media ownership has raised concerns of a homogenization of viewpoints presented to news consumers. Consequently, the term mainstream media has been widely used in conversation and the blogosphere, sometimes in oppositional, pejorative or dismissive senses, in discussion of the mass media and media bias."

Seriously, is this the hill you want to die on? OAN being a mainstream network? Please.


Let me know about the above cut-n-paste.

Says who?

Obviously asked by someone other than from here. What's your nationality?

So was Pearl Harbor before Japan bombed it. What the FUCK are you babbling about, dude?

And a great majority of those same ships came back and returned the favour. Unlike what the economy is at this point in time. Don't go stretching for the good points. Currently in lousy position than periods of the Depression. Tell me when that changes.
Not before than. I'll agree with you that it can get better but it ain't NOW.

Because it's the rich people who do all of the risk-taking. Who do you think creates your jobs? Invests money into building businesses? Working out LLC deals? Getting patents? Working with regulations? Sorting out your benefits? If a business goes under, the non-rich, "regular" worker might be out of a job, but the rich, business owner lost money and incur all of the debt.

White collar crime is a risk I know who creates my job. I'm that person you describe. Got the professional license to prove it. You can now start calling me a traitor to the capitalist boot.

I mean, that's the government in general.



Except, it wasn't moved out. He redistributed the money around but the format is still there.

What does that have to do with having a plan to address Covid? Inject people with money that is redistributed. Stay on point


I mean, back in January, he banned travel from China. He created a task force, specially to deal with Covid. His team came up with the social distancing thing. He shut down the country for a month and a half to build up PPE reserves. He sent federal help to that dickwad Cuomo in NY to assist there. He gave a step-by-step phased approach to restarting the economy. He's done quite a bit. Other issues, you're neglecting falls to state's rights.

How much you want to bet if it was Obama that both of you would blame him? You are the leader of this country. You take the good and the bad. Regardless. The sheeples from all parties will take note of that. What falls to the Fed is the Fed. You sure as hell don't hinder the State if they need help. You going to tell me that he did ALL he could to help the States?
Bullshit. He let political alliances rule what his ego dictated. He acted like a child. Not a leader. And *THAT* is where is shortcoming glared to all the world to see.

You don't understand how arguing works, do you? Saying "Google it" is NOT how you present your view. The onus is on YOU to present YOUR view. And the other way around.

Never claimed to be a forensic speaker. But you refuse to check out things that are out there in the *mainstream* or refuse to acknowledge them. Again, i'll tell you to up your subscription. Drop a few of your porn channels.

Nah. It didn't get widespread Congressional approval, so yeah. not really wanted. And it's been failed to repeal because politicians are ass holes. Democrats want to keep taxing everyone, Republicans pretend to be mad but don't do the work.

Both sides are shit.

Because someone is an asshole is not a valid reason for that act staying. You don't understand that argument, do you? But i'll take your word on the last sentence.

Republicans didn't treat Obama harshly because he was black. He was a FUCKING SHITTY ASS PRESIDENT.

My reference is when he first took office.
And it did continue throughout.

The fact that you think it was because of race makes YOU a racist because YOU fail to see Obama as a failure as a POTUS but are seeing it as a race issue. So you automatically think less of him because he's black. Stop being racist, guy.

We are ALL racist. People probably consider the value of others on how well they suppress it.
Just because I go to a barbershop that looks like the one in Coming To America doesn't make me any less than the extent I am. I ain't gonna comment on environmental or genetic in the source. Ain't gonna blame it on the Arabs for hating the person from over the next sandhill (or starting slavery on an international scale). I just know that people have racist tendencies like they have homosexual ones. Each person to a different extent.

Also, you do realize that Trump wasn't even supported by the GOP until the 11th hour, right? Like, they were seriously thinking of doing a brokered convention in the event he didn't get the required delegates. 2016 was supposed to be Bush or Rubio.

11th hour or first hour. Doesn't matter.
What matters is whose name is on the ticket. Google it if you don't know who that was .


It was also a GOP majority Senate that failed to repeal Obamacare thanks to McCain. So, yeah. As I said, Republicans suck and are cowards.

I always get a laugh when you say that.

The problem with socialism is, it is expensive. Like, really expensive. The simplest "fix" would be to simple make drugs cheaper. But that is also something that probably requires a lot of negotiation and I do not know enough about the healthcare industry to say a fix can be implemented so easily.

*I* think the simplest fix is to have checkups. You find a problem the earliest as possible before it manifest into something else. Next would be the cost of drugs. Ima there with you about the runnings of the healthcare industry. Only thing I know is that both sides should work on it together. Not just have one side do the work and claim "We'll debate it on each issue." That is not a plan. I think it was Mitch who stated that.

I think we should be teaching our students math, science and engineering instead of crap about trannies and revisionist history so Asia can stop kicking our asses so much.

I agree with the core subjects and have no problem putting the Stonehouse riots out there along with the Selma Civil Rights. Unfortunately history is written by the victor. Hence a good healthy discourse (like I hope we are having here.)

No, because then I'll probably get attacked by a crazy Karen. And when that happens, I'll have to defend myself with my fire arm. Then it'll just get expensive.

LOL! I like you Aoi. Hope that doesn't piss you off.

[Precious_b]

...Aoi, you better be a registered voter.

One thing I can't stand is for some Joe/Jane Blow slinging politics but they don't vote.

[Aoi]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

Guess you haven't been paying attention to *mainstream media* these last couple of days. Wasn't surprised to hear on ABC that there are alot of legal proceedings going on now about it. So, be patient and you'll get your "citations" for these "examples."

A mainstream media outlet that is pointlessly attacking Trump? What else is new? Russia?

Alot of people don't know how good they have it with our system of jurisprudence by the innocent til guilty bit. They forget we separated ourself from good old King Georges guilty til innocent system.

If we separated themselves from guilty till innocent, why are you bringing it back for Trump? And worse, why not for Biden?

Ima all for people bettering their financial position. I just take note when they do that *betterment* by underhanded ways.

If they did it by underhanded ways, you need to prove it so, instead of just pointing fingers and saying "Cheater until you prove to me you didn't!"

Fair-n-square, no problem. Better mousetrap, all the power to you. Unethical and illegal, you can call me butt hurt but you got to own up to the fact that they are breaking the law if you hang that on me.

No, if you think it's illegal, it's up to YOU to prove it. It's not up to the other person to say "here is my invention and I'm going to prove to you that I didn't cheat."

I'll wave that in your face. (I don't like/own Apple products but I understand your point.)

You're going to call someone a cheater because you don't like them and then demand they prove their innocent? That's not how due process works.

I don't keep tabs on the Tara lady but it seems to mirror the one you shoot down with the last Supreme Court justice.

I don't believe a damn thing Christine said because her OWN FRIENDS have said otherwise. And her stories are full of holes. And she contradicts herself. Tara, OTOH, said she reported the incidents to the campaign, which, in turn, was then sealed and Biden is hellbent on keeping them so. Does that make her any more credible in the end? No, not really. But you're the one who is unfairly applying your principles to one side and not to the other.

Both need to have pressed charges. I'm all for #metoo. But the higher the attention of the subject, the more people are going to be like me and you on it.

Answer the question. Should Joe Biden release the seal on his documents regarding Tara Read? And by the way, metoo started off fairly legitimate. Now it's a joke.

A document goes a LONG WAY to removing doubt. Regardless of hindsight.

Yeah, kind of like how Biden can release the seal on his campaign.

If that document came up, I would go with it. Regardless the way it went. Otherwise it is a political hit job. Just like you bitch about. So, that would make you partisan since you've bitched about such in the past.

No, I'm bringing it up because you repeatedly apply the guilty-until-innocent principle to Trump but conveniently forget about Biden's crooked bullshit. Then you have the gall to say you're not partisan. You are. Own up to it.

We'll let the courts hash that out. You don't like what little I put out there. His non-profit.
LOL! I just remembered a charity golf tournament where there was a $1,000,000 prize for a hole in one shot if a person made it. Guess what? A person made it. Celebrations where started and than they yanked the guy who made the shot aside and said "We can't pay you."
Ima sure you would have told him "No Problem! I give my left nut for you."

Citations.

I'll let you have partial credit for that one. Shit happens on some jobs. But I guess when you *knowingly* higher (sp) a non-union crew using illegals because they undercut the tax paying ones you get what you pay for. You're going to have to give me credit for that.

Oh no, a businessman hired the cheapest labor to get work done. Wonder who else would do that to churn a profit?

Quote the source where the $$$ comes from.

No, you quote it. YOU'RE the one saying Trump did underhanded things. YOU'RE the one making claims. It's not my job to do your work for you. Either prove it or shut it.

"What have you done for me today?" Let's not look through a thin slit. I do know he fucked up some deal(s) and has been getting a good write off on that.

Then prove it!

retty good on questionably leveraged $$$ perhaps (see legal maneuvers happening in the courts for this week.) Let's not get to talking about his family.
You gotta love a wife that wants a prenup modified when the hubby moves to the peoples house. Just leave the family out when it comes to like. You can mention as FLOTUS or the nepotism angle though. I'm not arguing against the landing of office, regardless of popular vote or not. So, I don't know why you bring that up. You don't need to suck it up for the guy.

Prove it.

Our definitions of mainstream media are different. Rephrasing it, people gotta have cable/satellite/Whatever or medium for content supplied to the home theatre. NOT including website/Blog/Vlog/Podcast. The ones you list also have OAN. I'm sure there are others but I don't pay attention to them. You only asked for me to supply a station that cocksmoked for the prez. I supplied it. If OAN was not 24 hours, news, and on tv station throughout the country, I would wholeheartedly agree with you. Don't be butthurt about it. Hell, I even consider Al-Jazeera mainstream even though it ain't from here. They probably would have supported trump until his stupid son-in-law came up with that idiotic solution to the palestian-israel thing.
Let's not go there.

When you say Al-Jazeera is mainstream, you are massively stretching. And you know you are. You're being intellectually dishonest by saying AJ is mainstream.

As for the Palestian-Israel thing, I don't know enough about the conflict to talk about it, so I never talk about it either.

Guy has already shown he'd rip off people to line his pocket with a non-profit. So, intent is there.
And even in charity events. Hell, his family was court ordered to take ethic classes because they are so fucked up on moral values. Alot of smoke. As I said previously, remove any restrictions for FOIA and you'll get your answer. And before we go further PROVE he is a billionaire. Just because a person is on tv doesn't mean your 15 minutes of fame went to the bank. Let's see the proof.

Prove it.

quote your source like you keep screeching me to. They can't just say a number. They got to follow the paper trail where it came from.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalex...ents-business/

Billionaire.

There you are being narrow sighted again.
Show us a link to the court documents. We'll leave tricky dick alone I liked what little I saw on Frontline (you know that program financed by the Koch brothers? )about Clinton. Need to watch the whole thing.

Obamacare cost me thousands a year in taxes. That's why I hate Obama. Oh, and you know, him being the general ass kisser to other nations.

I don't think Bill Mahrer is on OAN LOL!

Bill Mahar is no more mainstream than OAN is. And he's a moron who would rather the US economy tank than have a Trump presidency. Disgusting fuck.

Not a 24 hour cable/satellite content news station.

No, it's actually far more accessible because all you need is the internet. People don't need cable at all. They just need a browser. Or even the app that has an ongoing feed to provide users. are they mainstream? nope.

Attack, support, chortle, whatever. Not all of them supply the quotes when they do there bit.

You're right. Sometimes they decisively edit clips and quotes to present a narrative.

Only the one or two I watch.

Let me guess. Bill Mahar. Samantha Bee. Trevor Noah. John Oliver.

If it was a lie, I can see the source for it. So far, none of them have been fictious (unless previously posted before during a skit.) And they even have some of the people they've done skits/monologues show up as guest.

Dude, a majority of these morons (comedians) still believe that Trump called Mexicans rapists. And that was 2015. 5 years and they still are lying.

Regardless. The ones I watch are in your self defined definition of *mainstream*.

I mean, if you think Al Jazeera is mainstream, that's your unbelievably loose definition of it. By that rationale, so is Breitbart. So is TYT.

Don't be a hypocrite.

You're the one who is applying mainstream status to one but not the other. At least when I say something is mainstream, I'm presenting options that are almost ubiquitous in nature. Compared to that, OAN is nothing.

Even though you are not a toddler, I think you know how to progam a remote to inclue the station.
Otherwise, I parrot "Up your service contract" since it is on the limited items I watch for news. And my "goal post" has never moved.

Actually, I generally don't watch TV that much anyways. Thinking about cancelling TV altogether since it's a waste of my money.

But again, if you're saying CNN and Al Jazeera are on the same page because they're corporations, you don't know a thing about mainstream.

Mainstream media is a term and abbreviation used to refer collectively to the various large mass news media that influence many people, and both reflect and shape prevailing currents of thought.[1] The term is used to contrast with alternative media which may contain content with more dissenting thought at variance with the prevailing views of mainstream sources.

This is the from YOUR quotation. And by that quote alone, OAN is NOT mainstream because if you've ever actually watched their content (which I have a little on youtube), then you know they present dissenting variances to mainstream outlets like Fox, CNN and MSNBC.

Thanks for proving ME right.

Obviously asked by someone other than from here. What's your nationality?

That's not important.

And a great majority of those same ships came back and returned the favour. Unlike what the economy is at this point in time.

Yeah, I mean, ya know. Pandemic kinda killed the economy.

Don't go stretching for the good points.

You're the one looking to Japanese bombings for a point. And are calling AJ "mainstream." Seriously, nobody stretches their shit as much as you

Currently in lousy position than periods of the Depression. Tell me when that changes.

After the election and people realize Covid isn't the end of the world.

Not before than. I'll agree with you that it can get better but it ain't NOW.

You're right. It isn't now. And that's one thing I wish Trump would do. Issue an executive edict so states and counties would stop being such pussies.

What does that have to do with having a plan to address Covid? Inject people with money that is redistributed. Stay on point

You're saying the pandemic response team was defunded because it was an Obama-era policy. I'm saying that it wasn't at all.

How much you want to bet if it was Obama that both of you would blame him?

I didn't blame Obama for N1H1. And I'm not blaming Trump for covid.

You are the leader of this country. You take the good and the bad. Regardless. The sheeples from all parties will take note of that. What falls to the Fed is the Fed. You sure as hell don't hinder the State if they need help.

Trump's BEEN helping the states. He's offering to help Chicago because they can't get their riots under control.

You going to tell me that he did ALL he could to help the States?

It's not his job to force help. It's his job to give help when ASKED. And if you want more to be done, give suggestions or write. But stop with the "MORE!" whining.

Bullshit. He let political alliances rule what his ego dictated. He acted like a child. Not a leader. And *THAT* is where is shortcoming glared to all the world to see.

He gave billions to a largely blue state like NY and Cuomo during the initial parts of the outbreak. If he wanted, he could just have given Cuomo the finger and have gone on to help Texas or something.

Never claimed to be a forensic speaker.

It's not about being a "forensic" speaker. It's about you making a claim, so the onus of proof is on YOU. You can't make a claim then demand I go look into it.

But you refuse to check out things that are out there in the *mainstream* or refuse to acknowledge them.

Why would I? I don't care enough to. You're the one whining and bitching about Trump. You go look into it. The only thing I want now is the for businesses to open up again and Walmarts to stay open past 8:30.

Again, i'll tell you to up your subscription. Drop a few of your porn channels.

I am not touching my porn subs, thanks.

Because someone is an asshole is not a valid reason for that act staying.

It is. Because Republicans had 7 years to come up with a better plan and they didn't. Make no mistake. I'm not blaming Democrats for Obamacare. I'm blaming Republicans.

You don't understand that argument, do you? But i'll take your word on the last sentence.

No, it is you who doesn't understand what an act requires in order to meet congressional approval.

My reference is when he first took office.
And it did continue throughout.

Prove it. Prove to me they treated him harshly because of race and not because of his policies.

We are ALL racist. People probably consider the value of others on how well they suppress it.
Just because I go to a barbershop that looks like the one in Coming To America doesn't make me any less than the extent I am. I ain't gonna comment on environmental or genetic in the source. Ain't gonna blame it on the Arabs for hating the person from over the next sandhill (or starting slavery on an international scale). I just know that people have racist tendencies like they have homosexual ones. Each person to a different extent.

I'm not racist. I hate everyone equally. And it's really shitty for you to make that claim that everyone is racist.

11th hour or first hour. Doesn't matter.
What matters is whose name is on the ticket. Google it if you don't know who that was .

You're moving the goal post. You're saying Republicans supported Trump. They really didn't. Not until the actual RNC. Trump actually took over the Republican party and they had to follow his lead, not the other way around. I hate Republicans, make no mistake. I'm glad Trump reformed it into a less shitty party. But they still suck, minus Trump.

I hate Republicans. Seriously. Democrats, I also hate. But at least Democrats know how to play the game, even dirty at times. Republicans would rather cry and bitch and whine about how unfair things are, rather than sacking up to fight.

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Originally Posted by Aoi

A mainstream media outlet that is pointlessly attacking Trump? What else is new? Russia?

A mainstream media outlet that is reporting what is public record. That means you can see it for yourself. I ain't your errand boy if you claim to have a good content provider. Russia is old news. Synopsis he was too stupid to do collusion.

If we separated themselves from guilty till innocent, why are you bringing it back for Trump? And worse, why not for Biden?


Because you said I was being patently dishonest. I was just reminding you that it can go either way in other countries judicial principals. Here it is innocent. I care neither way. The truth holds the burden in the end. As for Biden, BRING THE CHARGES TO COURT LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE YEARS AGO. "Any move now and it will be like you whine for trump: a political hit.

If they did it by underhanded ways, you need to prove it so, instead of just pointing fingers and saying "Cheater until you prove to me you didn't!"

I didn't get a chance to see the news today.
You can do the leg work to see what is happening in the courts involving trump this week. Don't kill the messenger of mainstream media if they are accurate on stating so. And on the subject of proving, you have nothing showing he is a gazzillionaire. Only a picture on tv.

No, if you think it's illegal, it's up to YOU to prove it. It's not up to the other person to say "here is my invention and I'm going to prove to you that I didn't cheat."

I told you ima butthurt if someone ignores ethics to do a legal maneuver that exposes their moral bankruptcy. Why are you hung up on this? We've both stated our opinions on this. Add something new.

You're going to call someone a cheater because you don't like them and then demand they prove their innocent? That's not how due process works.

Uh, no. I'm going to call them a cheater when it is documented they are. You did google Donald J trump foundation? I pointed you to the way. Pay me and i'll do the leg work. You know he admits guilt.

I don't believe a damn thing Christine said because her OWN FRIENDS have said otherwise. And her stories are full of holes. And she contradicts herself. Tara, OTOH, said she reported the incidents to the campaign, which, in turn, was then sealed and Biden is hellbent on keeping them so. Does that make her any more credible in the end? No, not really. But you're the one who is unfairly applying your principles to one side and not to the other.


And I can say the same. All doubts are removed if you go to the police and make a report.
Let me guess, you're going to say something kept her from doing that? I don't know the stories for either party *EXCEPT* they don't have a paper trail that proves they filed charges. I'm not knocking them for that.
It plays both ways here Aoi. Bring something new except a talking head on *your* mainstream media.

Answer the question. Should Joe Biden release the seal on his documents regarding Tara Read? And by the way, metoo started off fairly legitimate. Now it's a joke.

What was his position when this happened?
I would say let the person above him do it. Keep his hands off it so no one can say he did something to it (i.e. dog ate it before we could show it.) I agree with you about the #metoo. So does Catherine Denuve and Kate Mulgrew. I entirely understand Mulgrew POV on it.
You'll have to look for that yourself.

Yeah, kind of like how Biden can release the seal on his campaign.


I have no idea what that is.

No, I'm bringing it up because you repeatedly apply the guilty-until-innocent principle to Trump but conveniently forget about Biden's crooked bullshit. Then you have the gall to say you're not partisan. You are. Own up to it.

Only because there are two ways to do it.
USA it is innocent. Others have Guilt. In vino veritas

Citations.

Ah. Ya Got Me!
The guy settled. I have to say intent was there You would have let it go though, right? LOL!

Oh no, a businessman hired the cheapest labor to get work done. Wonder who else would do that to churn a profit?

Not me. My work is not on the high end of price but I put my workmanship up against anybody: those that are cheaper on the bid and those in the big name companies. But that's me. As for trump, he got illegals. Doesn't matter if his fault, *mainstream* will report it. And bust a Union town? I'm not the only one who smells the stench of it.

No, you quote it. YOU'RE the one saying Trump did underhanded things. YOU'RE the one making claims. It's not my job to do your work for you. Either prove it or shut it.

And you claim he is a billionaire. Mexican stand off. All doubt removed when those records more than likely become public. Patience.

Then prove it!

Again, don't kill the messenger. This is what trump called the hack job (trumpspeak that it's true and wish they'd stop mentioning it. You do the legwork to get the document that supports it.



Prove it.

You can shoot the messenger on this one. They had a tete-a-tete interview.


When you say Al-Jazeera is mainstream, you are massively stretching. And you know you are. You're being intellectually dishonest by saying AJ is mainstream.


We already stated our positions on mainstream media. They are different. Truth be told, I threw Al-Jazeera out there to get your goat. Task completed

As for the Palestian-Israel thing, I don't know enough about the conflict to talk about it, so I never talk about it either.

It is a long, convoluted subject that is a repercussion from the fall of the Ottoman Turk Empire.
We're already talking politics here. That one is more of a richly spiced stew to get into.

Prove it.

"...compulsitory (sp) training..."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalex...ents-business/

Billionaire.

Show the source of that 1.2billion ain't connected to leveraging.

Obamacare cost me thousands a year in taxes. That's why I hate Obama. Oh, and you know, him being the general ass kisser to other nations.

We've already stated our views on Obamacare and the implementation. I will repeat, the intent of it is good. Implementation sucks. We agree on how to change that. I would rather have our entangling alliances on good terms than be alone. trump has some good ideas that i agree with here.

Bill Mahar is no more mainstream than OAN is. And he's a moron who would rather the US economy tank than have a Trump presidency. Disgusting fuck.

Hence the "LOL!"


No, it's actually far more accessible because all you need is the internet. People don't need cable at all. They just need a browser. Or even the app that has an ongoing feed to provide users. are they mainstream? nope.

That's going of the mainstream. Again, our definitions are different. Add something new or just drop it.

You're right. Sometimes they decisively edit clips and quotes to present a narrative.

Of course. We gotta have some entertainment.

Let me guess. Bill Mahar. Samantha Bee. Trevor Noah. John Oliver.

None. Well, I do see some of the Bee. Don't mind her at all. I like Olivers back ground. Kinda sad. But his accent reminds me of being in England again.


Dude, a majority of these morons (comedians) still believe that Trump called Mexicans rapists. And that was 2015. 5 years and they still are lying.

Have kept track of what derogatory statment specifics he used. [URL="https://time.com/4885584/donald-trump-mexico-wall-transcript-call/" Only that he begged the Mexican President to give lip servce involving the Wall which Enrique Peña Nieto spit on him with his response.[/URL][/COLOR]

I mean, if you think Al Jazeera is mainstream, that's your unbelievably loose definition of it. By that rationale, so is Breitbart. So is TYT.

[COLOR="red"]Joking dude. Cool down.

You're the one who is applying mainstream status to one but not the other. At least when I say something is mainstream, I'm presenting options that are almost ubiquitous in nature. Compared to that, OAN is nothing.

Damn dude, I said i threw it out there to get your dander up. Chill.

Actually, I generally don't watch TV that much anyways. Thinking about cancelling TV altogether since it's a waste of my money.

You should. I had them cut the cable at our working office and bought an antennae off Amazon.
Don't do that. Fucker didn't work worth shit. I built my own with scrape went ahead and bought $5 in mounting screws to avoid galvanic corrosion. Works like a charm.
*AND * I get Al-Jazeera with the internet connection

But again, if you're saying CNN and Al Jazeera are on the same page because they're corporations, you don't know a thing about mainstream.


For the Love Of Whatever God You Believe IN:
I Was Joking!

This is the from YOUR quotation. And by that quote alone, OAN is NOT mainstream because if you've ever actually watched their content (which I have a little on youtube), then you know they present dissenting variances to mainstream outlets like Fox, CNN and MSNBC.

I put that in there to try and see if there was an angle to mainsteam that you were not getting across to me. For the lack of better words, a linguistic thing.

Thanks for proving ME right.

Was just trying to "reach across the aisle* and see if we were on the same page. My defintion of mainstream is not quite what that cut-n-paste is.
But I described what *I* feel/think it is and the point must have gotten across because you disagree with it.

That's not important.



Yeah, I mean, ya know. Pandemic kinda killed the economy.

Correct. At this point in time. Things can go either way in a heart beat. That is all up to how the captain of the ship sets the course. He hasn't been doing good at that.

You're the one looking to Japanese bombings for a point. And are calling AJ "mainstream." Seriously, nobody stretches their shit as much as you

Point being what I stated above. Things can be going good than BOOM! Drop the AJ thing. I said it was a joke. Mea Culpa not putting a smiley after it.
I will admit to that.

After the election and people realize Covid isn't the end of the world.

Hey! Good things come with things like Covid. Check out The Arms of Krupp. Guy made a killing betting he'd survive the plague.

You're right. It isn't now. And that's one thing I wish Trump would do. Issue an executive edict so states and counties would stop being such pussies.

We are in agreement with the lack of leadership he is currently having.

You're saying the pandemic response team was defunded because it was an Obama-era policy. I'm saying that it wasn't at all.

Don't go making me look for another link that shows it was scraped. It's out there easy enough for you to find. I'm saying the plans they drafted for a worse case scenario are being ignored/not used/scrapped/whatever. Now, if it is specifcally a $$$ matter, I do not know the specifics of that.

I didn't blame Obama for N1H1. And I'm not blaming Trump for covid.

I don't blame either of them for either thing. I do hold them accountable for how they react and handle the situations.

Trump's BEEN helping the states. He's offering to help Chicago because they can't get their riots under control.

His *help* has a political bias. And a self serving lean for his supporters. As for Chicago, they are already a special kind of fucked up situation for quite awhile. www.heyjackass.com

It's not his job to force help. It's his job to give help when ASKED. And if you want more to be done, give suggestions or write. But stop with the "MORE!" whining.

Oh, they've asked. And he dished it out like a political fiefdom to those that kissed the ring.
And stop with ignoring of help being given to those that kiss his ass. You throw that shit out when you have a serious problem.

He gave billions to a largely blue state like NY and Cuomo during the initial parts of the outbreak. If he wanted, he could just have given Cuomo the finger and have gone on to help Texas or something.

Texas has given its finger to the voters here who wanted that finger by not taking federal health care (I know i'm saying that wrong, referring to Rick Perry time in office.)

It's not about being a "forensic" speaker. It's about you making a claim, so the onus of proof is on YOU. You can't make a claim then demand I go look into it.

I've supplied alot more links than you.
You will give lip service that it comes from those whiny liberals or something. But the cases in judical deversion (sp) are real and are referenced there.
*YOU* can look for the specific docket numbers.

Why would I? I don't care enough to. You're the one whining and bitching about Trump. You go look into it. The only thing I want now is the for businesses to open up again and Walmarts to stay open past 8:30.

Oh you care enough to respond to me putting it there. And my desires mirror yours. That and Providers coming out of their self imposed isolation due to Covid.

I am not touching my porn subs, thanks.

LOL! I threw that out there in jest too.

It is. Because Republicans had 7 years to come up with a better plan and they didn't. Make no mistake. I'm not blaming Democrats for Obamacare. I'm blaming Republicans.

We are in agreement 100% there. The party of No was in full effect there. I remember someone from their party stating, when pointed out they had nothing to offer, were just going to debate the demos on each point of obamacare. Not offer anything. THAT does not help you, your party, the people of the USA.

No, it is you who doesn't understand what an act requires in order to meet congressional approval.

I understand. Over a hundred bills have passed one house. Guess where they are now? Collecting dust in Mitchs office. He it the real bastard on the Hill in my book. I'd have him out before trump.

Prove it. Prove to me they treated him harshly because of race and not because of his policies.

You think someone from the republican party is going to go on record and state that about race?
I'll give you that if you need that burden. I just look at the actions beside the policies.

I'm not racist. I hate everyone equally. And it's really shitty for you to make that claim that everyone is racist.

Oh, i've seen you and Randal go at it.
And i've been in your corner. I do stand by it.
I mirror it to that of homosexuality. Everyone has had homosexuality tendencies to one degree or another.
Doesn't mean you act on it. *I* think we are hardwired or environmentally (or both) conditioned to have such responses. Doesn't mean we don't know what right or wrong is from it. I didn't say that to insult people.
Just because I might have a thought like that doesn't mean i'm a full blown one. Take it as you like. Was meant as an academic statement. Not to stir the pot.

You're moving the goal post. You're saying Republicans supported Trump. They really didn't. Not until the actual RNC. Trump actually took over the Republican party and they had to follow his lead, not the other way around. I hate Republicans, make no mistake. I'm glad Trump reformed it into a less shitty party. But they still suck, minus Trump.

If he wasn't supported, his name wouldn't be on the ticket. Like the Alamo or chess, a win is a win. Doesn't matter the number of people or pieces on the board.

I hate Republicans. Seriously. Democrats, I also hate. But at least Democrats know how to play the game, even dirty at times. Republicans would rather cry and bitch and whine about how unfair things are, rather than sacking up to fight.

I have voted for most every party. I've yet to do Libertarian. You put a tag on me. The one I wear is that I vote for who I think is best at the time.
I would REALLY love to have two different parties for President and Vice President.