The thread for people who don't write reviews and those who wish to discuss them

[pfmtony]

Originally Posted by phildo

Oh bitch puhleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze , put it down and let this thread die the awful death it deserves, except for SD's well posted Vargas pinup, that is! Nobody cares! This topic has been beat like a prison dick. Let it go. Let's all get a life and some pussy and post taint!

I agree with Phil... Happy Halloween everyone. You guys should know I'm not NHR. He is nicer than I am by a lot. And I would never go to.the effort to research and link anyone's old posts. If you still don't believe me, ask Namssa or Torito. I'm just Tony.

Now Tony is going to go back to planning his birthday/christmas/new years fucking exxxtravaganza. Hell maybe I will finally post a review too.

I celebrated Halloween with an awesome island adventure yesterday. Women who love that rock!

So Phil, I would never confuse you with LA, EN, fletch or anyone else. Each of you is free to hate in your own special way. Happy Halloween. I'm out, and back to work and fucking.

[SD2011]

Ahh...back to the reviews. There is of course the legal risk of indicating who you've seen, placing a date, activity and of course fee on it. Couple that with the online activity = say you booked on an international sister site (which I won't name), approved the fee, then verified the activity here, a zealous DA or fed LE agency can roll this up under RICO as well as wire fraud (yes, ask your local legal scholars, it can happen). You are not anonymous here despite all claims to the contrary.

My advice for those doing reviews is to drop the fee paid notification and screw worrying about getting PA credit. I see some folks have shifted to calling reviews fictitious activity to try to cover themselves but the problem is the prior trail of activities is already in the IP bit bucket and the linkage (for those booking/verifying on international sister site) just compounds the risk profile.

I will say this one more time (and for some it won't matter and they will refute what I wrote above because they need to): If LE desires and wishes to do a huge targeted roll-up of verified activities (clients/providers) from this site or others like it to garner some great press coverage (which is probably their only motivation these days), you are not anonymous on here or any or any site.

Happy Halloweenie!

[NearHauteRed]

Kudos Tony!

[TinMan]

SD2011, I guess the question is, why would they want to for the typical situation where a random john is hooking up with the random independent provider?

I see your point, though, if they're taking down an agency, studio, trafficker, etc.

[NearHauteRed]

Originally Posted by L.A.

I typically see the same few providers now. When I see somebody new I will review them. When it's been a long time since my last review of somebody I see regularly I review them.

You calling me out on 24 reviews is classic!

yep, and after that whole post where I proved you wrong, and you not having the balls to admit it, cuz if I was wrong, you would definitely point that out, you have to take a statement I made, dissect it and being on your assumptive course you are, think I am calling you out. I WOULD call you and your condescending attitude out, but that would be playing right up your alley.

[SD2011]

Originally Posted by TinMan

SD2011, I guess the question is, why would they want to for the typical situation where a random john is hooking up with the random independent provider?

I see your point, though, if they're taking down an agency, studio, trafficker, etc.

Yes. My point is it wouldn't be for an individual (the return on investment of resources isn't good), it would be for what they'd consider to be an ongoing (+++++) enterprise (interstate/international) and would involve a large amount of folks (to get the best bang for their PR buck).

My own view is that it would take someone (DA/US-DOJ Atty) that wishes to make a strong political "here I am" statement (that's why it would be a huge roll-up activity to garner the press coverage they seem to crave these days as a career platform to grow from).

I don't want to be a downer, I like and enjoy this site. I just wanted to be realistic and up front to you all about the risk profile. My advice still remains to drop the fee paid indicator in reviews. That is perhaps the best mitigation option for now.

I know we don't always agree, but I wish you and the other guys a great Halloween. Hopefully, some hotties trick and treat your way tonight!

Take care

[TinMan]

It certainly would not bother me if the amount paid was dropped from the review template. The site long ago stopped allowing pricing in ads, for legal reasons iirc, so perhaps it would add an extra measure of safety to drop it from reviews as well.

I'm sure someone has made this suggestion before. I'd be curious if that is the case, and what management's take on it was.

[fletch]

Originally Posted by pfmtony

I agree with Phil... Happy Halloween everyone. You guys should know I'm not NHR. He is nicer than I am by a lot. And I would never go to.the effort to research and link anyone's old posts. If you still don't believe me, ask Namssa or Torito. I'm just Tony.

Now Tony is going to go back to planning his birthday/christmas/new years fucking exxxtravaganza. Hell maybe I will finally post a review too.

I celebrated Halloween with an awesome island adventure yesterday. Women who love that rock!

So Phil, I would never confuse you with LA, EN, fletch or anyone else. Each of you is free to hate in your own special way. Happy Halloween. I'm out, and back to work and fucking.

WOW!! prettyfuckingmarvelous is back in coed!!

...plus i get a twofer ~ a shout out in the first post and i had 2 weeks in the 'how long before he posts' "reviewers pool".

happy halloween everyone!!

[Prolongus]

SD, can you name or show us any giant client/escort international busts lately? If not, why has it not happened? Because, in spite of LE wanting to make a name for themselves, they have have bigger fish to fry, like protecting the populace from more dangerous shit.

A few months ago, some bag of shit state rep. in Austin vowed to step up the pressure on this industry...where the fuck is she??? She's LAST IN LINE because LE does not have the numbers to herd a bunch of cats.

This is at the end of a long line of terrorists, mass shootings, murders, rapists, child abusers, robbers, embezzlers, thieves, etc. We don't HURT anyone.

Just because they can track down international emails, phone records (including yours) and other evidence doesn't mean they will.

Don't you think they would have done it by now?

[Sir Lancehernot]

Originally Posted by TinMan

It certainly would not bother me if the amount paid was dropped from the review template. The site long ago stopped allowing pricing in ads, for legal reasons iirc, so perhaps it would add an extra measure of safety to drop it from reviews as well.

I'm sure someone has made this suggestion before. I'd be curious if that is the case, and what management's take on it was.

I'd vote to keep the status quo. I think the likelihood of identifying individual clients through their IP addresses via this site is exceedingly remote, both from a work/reward standpoint and a legal one -- proving that I was using the computer that wrote a particular review would be problematic, and proving that the events I described actually took place and that the amount cited was compensation for those events would be difficult. And all this for a misdemeanor? (I'm thinking of this strictly as a client and the legal risk that I might have.)

Price is an important consideration for many of us, particularly in knowing for example, which girls do $140 sessions, which do $180 sessions, which do $240 sessions, and which do them all. I think the risk/reward calculation comes out heavily in favor of continuing to allow its inclusion.

If it's eliminated from reviews and ads, how is it to be conveyed? Over the phone? E-mail? Already there are many girls who don't discuss such matters in those media unless they already know the guy, and I'd wager the legal risk is higher (perhaps not much) for any two-way conversation involving price over the phone or via e-mail.

[SD2011]

Originally Posted by Prolongus

SD, can you name or show us any giant client/escort international busts lately? If not, why has it not happened? Because, in spite of LE wanting to make a name for themselves, they have have bigger fish to fry, like protecting the populace from more dangerous shit.

A few months ago, some bag of shit state rep. in Austin vowed to step up the pressure on this industry...where the fuck is she??? She's LAST IN LINE because LE does not have the numbers to herd a bunch of cats.

This is at the end of a long line of terrorists, mass shootings, murders, rapists, child abusers, robbers, embezzlers, thieves, etc. We don't HURT anyone.

Just because they can track down international emails, phone records (including yours) and other evidence doesn't mean they will.

Don't you think they would have done it by now?

Actually, I expected this kind of reply. It's okay, I didn't say it has happened for this specific activity, I clearly indicated it would take some obsessed press-addicted zealot to initiate and execute it and I indicated what part of this activity creates a higher risk profile (fee + description + commerce verification) for us all.

I do not wish to direct link one of the RICO inspired activities for a hobby related activity from the Fed website it is on, but here is just one example on a smaller scale:

"Strip Club Corporations and Associates Sentenced for RICO Conspiracy and Prostitution-Related Charges Strip Clubs Closed, Properties Forfeited to Feds"

So, therefore if you take the collective experience and cross-state/cross border commerce connections of a site like this plus the other hobbyist verification site and then couple them with the review based confirmation of paid illicit activities a clever person would net a bigger gain (impact) than a few strip clubs in one area and the press would eat it up (locally and nationally). Again, it only takes one very ambitious DA or US Atty for the DOJ to make it happen and maybe that person hasn't been born yet. I don't know.

My only real advice is to drop the notation of exact fee for service rendered or work it so that it's not an explicit confirmation (something less direct regarding amount/fee for a specific session). That's all. Nothing more. If you noticed, I'm still here despite it all. I just felt obligated to spell out the potential risk and to remind anyone that in reality they are not really that anonymous on this site, other sites, nor from activities on their mobile devices.

Happy Halloween!

[Prolongus]

I vote instead of putting in actual you-know-what, we use little "Rose" icons...like the Smiley Face Field. A rose with half it's petals gone could mean...well, you know.

Congrats, SD...I'm heading down the path of paranoia... Lol

[eccienewbie]

Originally Posted by pfmtony

I agree with Phil... blah, blah, blah, blah, blah-blah-blah-blah...

Originally Posted by pfmtony

LOL I've thought of changing my avatar, but no compromises offered. I'm not campaigning or buying votes. F that, that ain't me.

And yes I definitely will leave. I keep my word.

If a man is only as good as his word, then there ^^^ is your proof that tony ain't worth shit (not that there was ever much doubt about that....).

ijs

[TinMan]

Originally Posted by Prolongus

I vote instead of putting in actual you-know-what, we use little "Rose" icons...like the Smiley Face Field. A rose with half it's petals gone could mean...well, you know.

Congrats, SD...I'm heading down the path of paranoia... Lol

Oh. Noooooooo...please, lord, not the code!!!!!

[eccienewbie]

Eliminating the fee info would also eliminate any and all need for torito.

Be sure to factor that into your analysis before arriving at a final conclusion on the topic.