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Old 07-09-2016, 01:42 PM   #106
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I do believe Obama made police more aggressive. I haven't seen him make on executive order against brutality nor to stop violence against black people or whomever being scrutinized by government officials.
That's brilliant! Have Obama issue an executive order to end racism or better yet, stop arresting, black people.
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Old 07-09-2016, 01:47 PM   #107
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Again, the DOJ has been sent to investigate many of these killings by police but I'm not seeing a single indictment. Why do you think that is? Do you understand justifiable use of deadly force?

It's hilarious that you drug Michael Vick into this.
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Old 07-09-2016, 01:47 PM   #108
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Dindu Nuffin Creed is probably a proud member of the New Black Panther party and regularly attends " church " at Rev. Wright's, Jesse Jackson's, or Al Sharptongue's place of " worship " .

You mean the "Klan With A Tan" don't you?


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Old 07-09-2016, 02:06 PM   #109
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Again, the DOJ has been sent to investigate many of these killings by police but I'm not seeing a single indictment. Why do you think that is? Do you understand justifiable use of deadly force?

It's hilarious that you drug Michael Vick into this.
Until the last few days I had "assumed" no indictments meant ...

.... "justifiable use of deadly force" ....... but ......

today I would "assume" it is an inability to prove "intent to kill"!!!!!

In other words .... the DOJ fears it cannot convict with the specific intent!

After all they are batting ZERO in Maryland in the "intent" department.

... not to mention emails!!!!

Refusing to disclose and destruction of evidence are circumstances tending to prove "intent" to commit an offense......the Government prosecutes weaker cases on intent.
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Old 07-09-2016, 03:34 PM   #110
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The DC Sniper shit was what, 10 years ago? One's dead and the other is in jail with six life sentences.

What else you got?

While you're on that, tell us what these fuckers are getting.
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Old 07-09-2016, 04:26 PM   #111
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The DC Sniper shit was what, 10 years ago? One's dead and the other is in jail with six life sentences.

What else you got?

While you're on that, tell us what these fuckers are getting.
What do you have other than you blindly idolizing a rapist with a life-long criminal record of assaulting other blacks, burglarizing the homes of other blacks and ripping-off the royalties of popular black artist, jackass? Garner's rap sheet is longer than Sterling's, and like Sterling, Garner was actively involved in a criminal act when he illegally refused to submit for arrest. And Brown? Poor *little* Brown. The "Gentle Giant" that had just strong armed and robbed an Asian store owner and beat the crap out of a cop. Boy howdy, you certainly have yourself a collection of "heroes". What else have you got?

Oh, that's right.

You're the lying jackass idiotically idolizing and trying to pass off a picture of a fourteen year-old-boy that was actually seventeen-years-old when he was kicked of school for fighting; kicked out of his mother's house for disobedience and caught with stolen property and burglary tools in his possession. And if that wasn't stupid enough for you to do, you're stupidly trying to claim he was killed by a cop, jackass, and that is easily refuted.

Then there's Bland. She committed suicide, asshole. She fucking killed herself, but that's a fact you're just too stupid to accept.
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Old 07-09-2016, 06:29 PM   #112
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The DC Sniper shit was what, 10 years ago? One's dead and the other is in jail with six life sentences.

What else you got?.
Obviously a lot more than you have.

Btw Answer the question as to why the DOJ cant bring forth indictments in these cases?
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Old 07-09-2016, 08:05 PM   #113
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This time won't be like the last time, I can guarantee it... "Mandela affect" quit working, 0zombies


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Old 07-09-2016, 08:53 PM   #114
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No chance of this administration branding BLM as a domestic terrorist organization, huh?
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Old 07-09-2016, 10:13 PM   #115
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Two things about all this mess kinda push my buttons. First, the focus on people being "unarmed". My business gave some security camera footage to a police agency recently. The female agent who came to pick it up was maybe 5'6" and HWP, 120 max. Someone my size (6'2", 260 ish) or Michael Brown's size (6'4" 292) could injure, maim, or kill this woman with nothing more than their bare hands. Certain segments of society would expect her to accept that fate without defending herself if her assailant wasn't carrying a gun. The other issue is compliance. When an officer initiates contact with someone they have no idea what they are walking into. The first thing they are going to do is evaluate the situation as it pertains to their safety. This can involve giving instructions such as "show me your hands" or "get on the ground". Failure to comply with these instructions is a threat to the officers safety, and they will react to it. Once the officers feel safe they generally do a good job of sorting out the situation that caused them to initiate contact in the first place. I just don't understand how people can blatantly ignore officers instructions, and not expect there to be consequences, whether that involves the use of lethal force, or something less than that level.
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Old 07-09-2016, 11:27 PM   #117
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These diversion attempts are so pathetic. None of you can explain, or worse yet, REFUSE to explain why white, murderous psychos get to live while, at worst, petty crook blacks with no murder sheet, are dead.

Stop diverting.

Save your bullshit assumptions. Someone may or may not have paid child support, or selling fucking CD's, do not deserve to be blown away by rogue cops. There's no spin to this. Or having a busted taillight. Not a brutal death, execution style offense.

Meanwhile, white boys (and girls) who KILL PEOPLE, are walking away from jail, being considered insane (personally, I don't give a shit about insane people. If you are insane, you are of NO VALUE to Earth. It's not like 'insane' MF'kers are going to discover a cure for cancer, or solve traffic problems in metro areas. If you are insane, and you fuck up ONE TIME, good bye. Tough shit. Good bye).

Why? Whhhhhyyyyyyyy!?!

Save the rhetoric and other bullshit. Answer the questions.
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Old 07-09-2016, 11:30 PM   #118
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I do believe Obama made police more aggressive....
Huh? You mean LESS aggressive, right? Even before all the tragic events of the past week, it was becoming undeniable that the so-called "Ferguson effect" on policing techniques is causing a spike in homicide rates nation-wide.

Read this and learn:


The Nationwide Crime Wave Is Building

As the homicide rate keeps rising in many cities, even some who dismissed the ‘Ferguson effect’ admit the phenomenon is real.


By HEATHER MAC DONALD
May 23, 2016 7:17 p.m. ET

Federal Bureau of Investigation Director James Comey has again drawn the wrath of the White House for calling attention to the rising violence in urban areas. Homicides increased 9% in the largest 63 cities in the first quarter of 2016; nonfatal shootings were up 21%, according to a Major Cities Chiefs Association survey. Those increases come on top of last year’s 17% rise in homicides in the 56 biggest U.S. cities, with 10 heavily black cities showing murder spikes above 60%.

“I was very worried about it last fall,” Mr. Comey told a May 11 news conference. “And I am in many ways more worried” now, he said, because the violent-crime rate is going up even faster this year.

Mr. Comey’s sin, according to the White House, was to posit that this climbing urban violence was the result of a falloff in proactive policing, a hypothesis I first put forward in these pages last year, dubbing it the “Ferguson effect.” The FBI director used the term “viral video effect,” but it is a distinction without a difference. “There’s a perception,” Mr. Comey said during his news conference, “that police are less likely to do the marginal additional policing that suppresses crime—the getting out of your car at 2 in the morning and saying to a group of guys, ‘What are you doing here?’ ”

The reaction to Mr. Comey’s heresy was swift. White House spokesman Josh Earnest immediately accused the FBI director of being “irresponsible and ultimately counterproductive” by drawing “conclusions based on anecdotal evidence.”

Mr. Comey’s dressing-down was the second time he has been rebuked by his bosses for connecting the crime increase to a drop in proactive policing. Last November, President Obama accused Mr. Comey of trying to “cherry-pick data” and pursuing a “political agenda” after the FBI chief spoke of the “chill wind” blowing through American law enforcement since the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson, Mo., in August 2014.

But the evidence is not looking good for those who dismiss the Ferguson effect, from the president on down. That group once included Richard Rosenfeld, a criminologist at the University of Missouri, St. Louis, who was an early and influential critic. Mr. Rosenfeld has changed his mind after taking a closer look at the worsening crime statistics. “The only explanation that gets the timing right is a version of the Ferguson effect,” he told the Guardian recently. “These aren’t flukes or blips, this is a real increase.”

A study published this year in the Journal of Criminal Justice found that homicides in the 12 months after the Michael Brown shooting rose significantly in cities with large black populations and already high rates of violence, which is precisely what the Ferguson effect would predict.

A study of gun violence in Baltimore by crime analyst Jeff Asher showed an inverse correlation with proactive drug arrests: When Baltimore cops virtually stopped making drug arrests last year after the rioting that followed the death of Freddie Gray while in police custody, shootings soared. In Chicago, where pedestrian stops have fallen nearly 90%, homicides this year are up 60% compared with the same period last year. Compared with the first four and half months of 2014, homicides in Chicago are up 95%, according to the police department. Even the liberal website Vox has grudgingly concluded that “the Ferguson effect theory is narrowly correct, at least in some cities.”

Despite this mounting evidence, the Ferguson effect continues to be distorted by its critics and even by its recent converts. The standard line is that it represents a peevish reaction from officers to “public scrutiny” and expectations of increased accountability. This ignores the virulent nature of the Black Lives Matter movement that was touched off by a spate of highly publicized deaths of young black men during encounters with police. As I know from interviewing police officers in urban areas across the country, they now encounter racially charged animus on the streets as never before.

Accountability is not the problem; officers in most departments are accustomed to multiple layers of review and public oversight. The problem is the activist-stoked hostility toward the police on the streets and ungrounded criticism of law enforcement that has flowed from the Obama administration and has been amplified by the media.

“In my 19 years in law enforcement, I haven’t seen this kind of hatred towards the police,” a Chicago cop who works on the tough South Side tells me. “People want to fight you. ‘F--- the police. We don’t have to listen,’ they say.” A police officer in Los Angeles reports: “Several years ago I could use a reasonable and justified amount of force and not be cursed and jeered at. Now our officers are getting surrounded every time they put handcuffs on someone.” Resistance to arrest is up, cops across the country say, and officers are getting injured.

The country’s political and media elites have relentlessly accused cops of bias when they police inner-city neighborhoods. Pedestrian stops and broken-windows policing (which targets low-level public-order offenses) are denounced as racist oppression. That officers would reduce their discretionary engagement under this barrage of criticism is understandable and inevitable.

Policing is political. If a powerful segment of society sends the message that proactive policing is bigoted, the cops will eventually do less of it. This is not unprofessional; police take their cues, as they should, from the messages society sends about expected behavior. The only puzzle is why many Black Lives Matter activists, and their allies in the media and in Washington, now criticize police for backing off of proactive policing. Isn’t that what they demanded?

Ultimately, denial of the Ferguson effect is driven by a refusal to acknowledge the connection between proactive policing and public safety. Until the urban family is reconstituted, law-abiding residents of high-crime neighborhoods will need the police to maintain public order in the midst of profound social breakdown.

Last week in Chicago, a man on the South Side who works in a bakery told me that he now sees “a lot of people disrespect the police, cussing and fussing.” He added: “There’s so much killing going on now in Chicago, it’s ridiculous. The problem is not the cops, it’s the people, especially this younger crowd with the guns.”

That message needs to be heard by the activists, politicians and media who have spent the past two years demonizing American law enforcement. Officers must of course treat everyone they encounter with courtesy and respect within the confines of the law. But unless the ignorant caricaturing of cops ends, there will be good reason for FBI Director Comey and the rest of us to worry about what the rising tide of bloodshed holds in store for U.S. cities this summer.

Ms. Mac Donald is the Thomas W. Smith fellow at the Manhattan Institute and the author of “The War on Cops,” out in June from Encounter Books.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-nati...ing-1464045462
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Old 07-10-2016, 12:02 AM   #119
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The lie wasn't on Sharpton. He only acted based what he thought was true. Besides, that shit was in the 80's. Damn near 30 years ago.

Ferguson?? Well, blacks are still be shot in the street....unarmed. Whether he stole a box of cigars is irrelevant. No conviction. Paid vacation for the killer.

Oh, but the nerve of us black people to be angry.

Angry or not, it's not like we black people walk into churches and start shooting people or anything (and get to live, btw);

I'm sorry to say that had Michael Brown done what the cop had asked him to do, none of that shit would have happened. What did the cop ask him to do? Get his ass out of the middle of the street....that's all the cop asked him to do. If Brown gets out of the street none of the rest of it would have happened.
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These diversion attempts are so pathetic. None of you can explain, or worse yet, REFUSE to explain why white, murderous psychos get to live while, at worst, petty crook blacks with no murder sheet, are dead.

Stop diverting.

Save your bullshit assumptions. Someone may or may not have paid child support, or selling fucking CD's, do not deserve to be blown away by rogue cops. There's no spin to this. Or having a busted taillight. Not a brutal death, execution style offense.

Meanwhile, white boys (and girls) who KILL PEOPLE, are walking away from jail, being considered insane (personally, I don't give a shit about insane people. If you are insane, you are of NO VALUE to Earth. It's not like 'insane' MF'kers are going to discover a cure for cancer, or solve traffic problems in metro areas. If you are insane, and you fuck up ONE TIME, good bye. Tough shit. Good bye).

Why? Whhhhhyyyyyyyy!?!

Save the rhetoric and other bullshit. Answer the questions.
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