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Devo · 02-22-2014, 12:57 PM

Anybody have any idea if the convictions merit jail time??

chizzy · 02-22-2014, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Devo

Anybody have any idea if the convictions merit jail time??

not likely, the plea bargin I would almost bet was no jail time what so ever

just a hunch

stevepar · 02-22-2014, 07:59 PM

i doubt he gets jail time...maybe house arrest....the link that c.c. posted mentions 2 ex city cops who were charged with basicaly the same stuff...the newspapers were filled with the story....police officals were talking about a disgrace to the shield....they all pled out....one cop got house arrest for a year....the other got a slap on the wrist....the woman got a couple of years probation....
these stories aare great news and sell papers....it's good p.r. for l.e....keeping the streets safe....end result is usually a plea bargin....

Devo · 02-23-2014, 11:49 AM

Yeah, I did some research, and I didn't see any sentencing guidlines, so, I figured it must be minor in the felony world.

One site did mention the prosecutor wanted the judge to shut the site, could that have been on the table, and would it be mentioned in the paperwork?

stevepar · 02-24-2014, 07:53 PM

tannana....
i'm sure he was following the advice of his lawyers....do you really think it would be a smart decision to discuss his case in an open forum like indys....
when corporate types get busted for financial dealings they do not issue reports day on the progress of their case....
and i'm sure he didn't want people coming on his site and pissing on him....after reading some of the comments in this thread who could blame him....

You don't see stuff over there because they are deleting it. I know this because I posted it and it was deleted. It's PI's to do with as he wants (until the cops head up to Michigan and grab the box(es), presumably), but I think it's a big disservice to have more than a dozen counts over one's head, many of which relating to the site, and not letting people know. But hey, it's not my sandbox.

bambino · 02-24-2014, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by stevepar

tannana....
i'm sure he was following the advice of his lawyers....do you really think it would be a smart decision to discuss his case in an open forum like indys....
when corporate types get busted for financial dealings they do not issue reports day on the progress of their case....
and i'm sure he didn't want people coming on his site and pissing on him....after reading some of the comments in this thread who could blame him....

You don't see stuff over there because they are deleting it. I know this because I posted it and it was deleted. It's PI's to do with as he wants (until the cops head up to Michigan and grab the box(es), presumably), but I think it's a big disservice to have more than a dozen counts over one's head, many of which relating to the site, and not letting people know. But hey, it's not my sandbox.

How do you know PI doesn't like water sports?

tannana · 02-24-2014, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by stevepar

tannana....
i'm sure he was following the advice of his lawyers....do you really think it would be a smart decision to discuss his case in an open forum like indys....
when corporate types get busted for financial dealings they do not issue reports day on the progress of their case....
and i'm sure he didn't want people coming on his site and pissing on him....after reading some of the comments in this thread who could blame him....

So, you do know that they discussed it the first time (after the initial bust). Talked about a vigorous defense and how the lawyers thought they had a good case and all, right? Talked about how they'd be fine.

Those threads magically disappeared. Dunno if he got a better lawyer, or what.

What I do know is that he's now pled to a procuring charge and 3 counts of money laundering while he's operating a board about "the hobby" and asking for members to give money for elevated levels of participation. Don't you think, from a risk management standpoint, that members over there have a right to know, perhaps before they send in their 50 bucks? Not everyone is smart enough to do that with cash or a green dot.

PI will tell you it's not germane to indys. Considering that indys touts itself as "dedicated to your safety?" Reasonable people might disagree as to what level of risk it represents, but there are indys members who presumably don't know that the guy at the top is in a wee spot of trouble related to hookers and money. It does not seem sporting. Again, YMMV.

Charlotte Carrington · 02-24-2014, 11:03 PM

Accourding to my Lawyer friend,, this is what the Felony charges are in the state of Ohio.

He had..

1 Felony - Level 5
3 Felonies - Level 3

Criminal Sentencing in Ohio

If a defendant is found guilty at trial, or pleads guilty prior to trial, the judge determines the appropriate sentence. Sentencing is the official punishment imposed by the court for the criminal offense. This happens at a sentencing hearing. At the hearing, the prosecutor is given the opportunity to speak on behalf of the State. The defense attorney then speaks on behalf of the defendant to mitigate the offense. After hearing from both sides, the judge makes the decision.

There are numerous options that a judge has in sentencing someone convicted of a criminal offense. These options include probation, counseling, community service, jail/prison time, and a host of other options.

The charts below outline the general punishments for felonies and misdemeanors under Ohio's general sentencing statutes.

Felony Punishments Degree Prison Time Max Fine
Felony 1.... 3-10 years $20,000
Felony 2.... 2-8 years $15,000
Felony 3.... 1-5 years $10,000
Felony 4.....6-18 months $5,000
Felony 5..... 6-12 months $2,500

So if you see the court documents, it states he paid 10, 000.00 in restitution, and each charge of F3 Felonies carries a mandatory 1 to 5 years...Soooo

Money Laundering was 3 counts and he plead Guilty (I thought he said they were bogus charges) to a Class 5 Promoting prostitution charge..most likely they could care less about that,, it was not a severe enough charge,, but the Class F3 Felonies are what will stick..

So probably since he has PRIOR arrests,,,he will most likely do 2 or 3 years and finish the rest on parole.

Not sure you can run a site while on parole tho..

What to do?

OMGitsHuge · 02-25-2014, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Charlotte Carrington

Accourding to my Lawyer friend,, this is what the Felony charges are in the state of Ohio.

He had..

1 Felony - Level 5
3 Felonies - Level 3

Criminal Sentencing in Ohio

If a defendant is found guilty at trial, or pleads guilty prior to trial, the judge determines the appropriate sentence. Sentencing is the official punishment imposed by the court for the criminal offense. This happens at a sentencing hearing. At the hearing, the prosecutor is given the opportunity to speak on behalf of the State. The defense attorney then speaks on behalf of the defendant to mitigate the offense. After hearing from both sides, the judge makes the decision.

There are numerous options that a judge has in sentencing someone convicted of a criminal offense. These options include probation, counseling, community service, jail/prison time, and a host of other options.

The charts below outline the general punishments for felonies and misdemeanors under Ohio's general sentencing statutes.

Felony Punishments Degree Prison Time Max Fine
Felony 1.... 3-10 years $20,000
Felony 2.... 2-8 years $15,000
Felony 3.... 1-5 years $10,000
Felony 4.....6-18 months $5,000
Felony 5..... 6-12 months $2,500

So if you see the court documents, it states he paid 10, 000.00 in restitution, and each charge of F3 Felonies carries a mandatory 1 to 5 years...Soooo

Money Laundering was 3 counts and he plead Guilty (I thought he said they were bogus charges) to a Class 5 Promoting prostitution charge..most likely they could care less about that,, it was not a severe enough charge,, but the Class F3 Felonies are what will stick..

So probably since he has PRIOR arrests,,,he will most likely do 2 or 3 years and finish the rest on parole.

Not sure you can run a site while on parole tho..

What to do?

I'm worried about you dear. I think maybe you need a better lawyer. I'm no lawyer but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

The following is the little that I think I know on the subject. The judge can take PRIOR convictions into account when sentencing. The Judge can't take PRIOR arrest into account. F4 and F5 sentencing guidelines discourage sentencing jail time for first time offenders. F1 and F2 sentencing guidelines discourage not applying jail time to first time offenders. F3 Felonies have no guidelines for first time offenders regarding jail time. Without knowing the particulars of the plea and the sentence the prosecutor will ask for everything is still on the table from probation to jail time.

Also my best understanding is that running, or participating, in the site isn't illegal in and of itself. If I have any of this wrong I would love to be corrected .

bambino · 02-25-2014, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by OMGitsHuge

I'm worried about you dear. I think maybe you need a better lawyer. I'm no lawyer but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

The following is the little that I think I know on the subject. The judge can take PRIOR convictions into account when sentencing. The Judge can't take PRIOR arrest into account. F4 and F5 sentencing guidelines discourage sentencing jail time for first time offenders. F1 and F2 sentencing guidelines discourage not applying jail time to first time offenders. F3 Felonies have no guidelines for first time offenders regarding jail time. Without knowing the particulars of the plea and the sentence the prosecutor will ask for everything is still on the table from probation to jail time.

Also my best understanding is that running, or participating, in the site isn't illegal in and of itself. If I have any of this wrong I would love to be corrected .

Like you, I'm not a lawyer, stay at Holiday Inns, or a Hobby Super Hero. Looks like he will pay some fines, get probation. This has nothing to do with the site and it's members. However, if your in the market for a skidoo and some quad runners, check EBay shortly. The $50 program didn't go over to well.

Fuckin HSH's

chizzy · 02-25-2014, 07:42 AM

what to do? never give a shit or care what a vindictive person says

AmishGangster · 02-25-2014, 08:47 AM

I would be surprised if a plea deal or sentence didnt invlove forfeiture or seizure of the site. If not then it may still come up when the IRS digs it teeth in now that the money laundering charge has become a conviction. Same basic type of charges that caused the demise of escorts.com and escortvault.com arent they?

5By5 · 02-25-2014, 08:51 AM

I don't know about the accuracy of anything posted above as it relates to PI's case. I am not a lawyer either, but here is a link to a lawyer's website discussing sentencing in Ohio:

http://www.criminalattorneycolumbus....nColumbus.aspx

Based on that link only, it doesn't look like jail time is mandatory for any of the crimes mentioned above. It looks to me like it would be in a Judge's hands to decide. If his sentencing hearing does indeed occur in a month, we will know then.

BSer · 02-25-2014, 09:21 AM

I'm having a midnight express vision. If PI does do time who's visiting him and putting their tit on the glass? My money is on witchata lineman.

5By5 · 02-25-2014, 09:25 AM

I don't know about escort vault but remember escorts.com. I think a huge difference would be that the FBI investigated escorts.com. I also think the amount of money involved was dramatically different. Here are some links:

http://m.fbi.gov/#http://www.fbi.gov...-federal-court

http://articles.philly.com/2012-03-2...plea-agreement