Integrity, Hero Worship, When the "Oh He Could Never" types cross over the line.

[Old Dingus]

Originally Posted by homer13

Wow, I had no idea you knew Whispers that way.
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It's a fact: BIG SKILLS IN MANY WAYS!

HEH!

[rockerrick]

OK , cut the SHIT Ranchhand ! What kind of deals do you have for me , say this Monday ? Time to pimp , make it good !

[dearhunter]

Originally Posted by NewWave

I actually think the above poster is in fact telling the truth and a big part behind the latest eccie drama. I noticed his posts in the Killeen board, always figured he was a pimp then, in fact he basically admitted he was part of the biz in this thread http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=492179&highlight=

sounds like he was connected to our former mod there (was that Horn I Dog? I can't remember).


Toyz you brought up great points and Homer really dropped some truth bombs in his post, which of course got him points.

While Ranch really got in over his head, even if he is retired as a mod, this will always be an ongoing problem here or on any "Provider" site. like Toyz was saying, power corrupts absolutely and pussy is one of the greatest perks of all time. There are also systems in place that are far more entrenched than any of us realize (at least beyond my scope), and ready to take advantage of whoever is in power. you know, just like politics.

Even though Ranch definitely crossed the line, tbh, he seems like the type of middle management guy that gets busted while the real power players keep on rolling. Same thing happens in government. Sort of what Homer alluded to earlier. I guess like anything, it's really about how far one wants to go down the rabbit hole....

So, are you saying that Magic Muze is the "real power player" that keeps on rolling?

[homer13]

Originally Posted by Whispers

"Truth" can be told without being disrespectful..... If that is what earned you the points.....

How and to who'm was mine disrespectful? I just pointed out the hypocrisy of your post. Truth being told you on an open board called out a mod. Right in the rules you should but won't be pointed. Since it was a mod it should probably should have been handled in the back ground. Seeing as how Ranch is still a mod that means the owners maybe don't think it's as bad as you say which means your post was probably less truthful then mine and probably had some extra added to beef up the drama. Do you have any doubts about anything I posted?

So to sum up, mine was more honest and I still don't see where there was any disrespect. I did a shout out, was that where it was out, that was a joke, true but still a joke. You openly on the board called out a mod. I got points for disrepect to staff and you got a pat on the back and a good job buddy.

The problem with subjective rules is that they fall down to the human element and the human element is inherently flawed. This goes back to my post about fair board moderation. It might not be as bad as favors for sex but it is still a flaw and inconsistencies are every where.

[Whispers]

RANCHHAND

You have been asked numerous times what was inaccurate. I spoke to you in December and you had a story and supporters. It was put aside. We spoke on the phone and via text and I asked repetitively for you to explain what was a lie. Other then try to intimidate and threaten you did not clarify any of it.

in this post you state most of this was fabricated. I did not state there 20 to 30 girls. It was another member that used that number which to me seemex exaggerated. That is why I used the word"supposedly". If my narrative is read accurately you will see I only claim knowledge of 3 or 4.

But honestly. 1 is too many.
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Let's toss out the whole narrative and deal with specific points.

1) Did you set up the ariana69 account and post the message in the welcome wagon?

Seems simple enough to prove if a mood were to run IP matches. Ariana69 States you did as well as maintained access to it reading the pm s.

If the answer to this is yes, what is the punishment for any of us if we set up an account as a provider and post as if we are one? What is the punishment for any male. For accessing a providers account and reading pm s not meant for us.?

I believe it results in a ban for some period of time. Can a mod be banned for breaking the rules, ser vee his ban and return as a kid with any credibility?

On this point alone you need to be removed.


2) only 4 ladies? Not 20 to 30?

Can a mod be allowed to manage even 1 escort and the community be confident in his impartiality? A mod promoting a lady to other guys presents an extreme competitive advantage to other escorts that cannot get that instant validation your position provides

On this point alone you should be removed.


3) you went and met ariana69 for her review special and subsequently reviewed her promoting the he'll out of her. Did you pay/donate any amount to her? She stated she expected to be paid but was told free sex was how she compensated you for setting her up on ECCIE. She said that you told her you were a mod and would be able to look after and proscribed her. If you did not pay her anything then it sure seems that you were using your knowledge of the system to exploit her.

As a mod i think every woman here would want to know why you would not just tell her that excite was fere for her to use. As a mod you should have offered her guidance. Instead you are alleged to have taken a free ride for longer than even the normal session without any financial compensation. Could any lady ever trust you again?

On this point alone you should be removed as a mod.

There are three simple points. You have never denied them. All seem easily verified.

I had not posted in about 5 weeks and have had very little to say for over 6 months. I have no intention of keeping anything alive or not letting this die. I'll give this matter a few more days attention and then go back to living a dream.

You had the opportunity to dispute any or all of this before it was posted. You did in Dec. You did not this time. You could have resigned and had your ACCOUNTguested and avoided being openly named in this. You choose to only make threats that you were going down but taking others with you.

I have seen stranger things but the fact that you remotely think you could be allowed to still moderate is such an incredibly unrealistic view. If the story is inaccurate then the alternative is fantasy of the most imaginative kind.

Let me summarize the obvious alternative here. A couple of guys get in touch with sarge and Whispers to fuck with Ranch. Sarge and Whispers who see eye to eye on little see this as a great opportunity to have some fun and enlist the aid of a pimp/manager/agency and a working girl to set all this up.


For you as well as all others wondering why this has not been finalized yet my take from the exchange that I had with st. Chris prior to confronting ranchhand is that it will be allowed to be played out on the board until it appears all information that is going to be presented has Been posted. This Site has always tried to be transparent on these issues. To be otherwise would shame the faith in the system.

I was told to get my story straight and confront Ranch. If I felt after confronting Ranch that I needed to post it to do so.

As had already been demonstrated in this thread, some members will take something like this and use it to demean other people in similar positions or suggest the system is not trustworthy.

This is one man that put his own personal agenda ahead of what is fair and equitable to others. He has involved dozens of other mods in discussions as to his dilemma and taken up time im sure of the owners that could be better spent.

The honorable thing to do here would have been to pull the plug and save all of them from this. The story would have still been told, people would have suspected, but many would have excepted that a 67 yo man just got tired of it all. He would have been remembered in a totally different light.

After this most are simply going to remember ranchhand "as that moderator that got busted as being a pimp".

[Maxeen Monroe]

Not that it matters at this point but I owe the truth of my part in this to ensure full transparency. I am the provider that made the call to Old Sarge. I found the accusations unbelievable and immediately wanted to help someone keep their respect.

After the incident had died down Ranch sent me a pm thanking me for standing by him and believing in his integrity. He continued to WHOLLY deny all accusations and blame the pimp. Saying the pimp set him up to get back at him for turning him down.

THAT is NOT what he's saying now.

Now he's admitting to involvement but it was all out of the goodness of his 67 year old heart.

Truth is, he totally lied to begin with and is not willing to be open and honest even now. Playing on his reputation and down playing everything. All while not saying anything worth a damn.

Maybe you're reading this and maybe not, but you and I both know you're only saying just enough to slide through this. You and I both know how capable of lieing and manipulating you are. I think it's worse that you would play this like you're some kind of hero or rescuer when the truth is so opposite.

I wish you would step down. That area deserves a better Mod.

And to the admitted pimp, (I mean no disrespect, I genuinely don't remember your handle right now.) who is the prior mod that was involved also? Pray tell....

[Whispers]

I dont believe for a moment im being treated diffetently.

Please quote me the rule that dkes not allow for a mods behavior to be questioned?

Rule or no rule though, BEFORE posting a word I discussed this first with a mod and then with Admin/owners of the site and was told to post if I felt it needed to be done.

I also discussed this with the mod in question several times prior to posting this.



As to how your comment was disrespectful, I dont know. I have no ide what you wete pointed for. I made the supposition based on your typical confrontational tyle and preference for expletives.

No where in this have I used disrespectful language or terms when addressing or describing the situation.

Originally Posted by homer13

How and to who'm was mine disrespectful? I just pointed out the hypocrisy of your post. Truth being told you on an open board called out a mod. Right in the rules you should but won't be pointed. Since it was a mod it should probably should have been handled in the back ground. Seeing as how Ranch is still a mod that means the owners maybe don't think it's as bad as you say which means your post was probably less truthful then mine and probably had some extra added to beef up the drama. Do you have any doubts about anything I posted?

So to sum up, mine was more honest and I still don't see where there was any disrespect. I did a shout out, was that where it was out, that was a joke, true but still a joke. You openly on the board called out a mod. I got points for disrepect to staff and you got a pat on the back and a good job buddy.

The problem with subjective rules is that they fall down to the human element and the human element is inherently flawed. This goes back to my post about fair board moderation. It might not be as bad as favors for sex but it is still a flaw and inconsistencies are every where.

[homer13]

My question remains, if this was an Eccie issue then why are you handling it. Should it not be handled by the mods and owners/ admins. I understand that you wouldn't be pointed because it was discussed prior and permission given. I take back your deserving points, I have been told by mods here in austin we are not allowed to publicly question them and if we do are subject to points. You say you made an assumption about my post. It's post 61, there are not any expletives or anything point worthy. I could post 20 things here from yesterday that we're a lot more offensive and insulting that got neither points or probably any warnings. I pointed out some truths, I pointed out that the board is ridden with corruption and ladies represented by someone. Then I shouted out to owners. Where's the disrespect? I can't even get a pm response from the mod who pointed me to clarify, just a snide response telling me to appeal if I want to the owner I called out which I have done. I was pointed for disrespect to staff. I have no idea who that's referring to. Was it saying there are corrupt mods, there are corrupt mods, a new one get outed regularly.

My question for you remains why did a non Eccie staff member need to handle an Eccie situation? Is it an ego thing or are you more associated with Eccie then we thought? And as you rip pimps, how does that face in the mirror look? There are all kinds of pimps, I'm guessing you don't think they are all bad.


This isn't a dig in any way. I think most people here know you and I are cool. These are just questions that need to be asked. You have your cross to bear and I have mine.

[dearhunter]

I feel a "Pimp Wars" threAD stirring........ijs

[ztonk]

Originally Posted by homer13

I have been told by mods here in austin we are not allowed to publicly question them and if we do are subject to points.

I don't think your unpaid volunteer local staff would have told you that. What they probably did was cite the forum guideline to you with some highlighting, perhaps like this:

#3 - Disrespect to others, IN GENERAL, will be considered an item of low tolerance, especially when posting in our coed forums. Follow the Golden Rule and treat others as you wish to be treated yourself. This applies to fellow members as well as staff. We do not require that you have respect for us, but we do require that you treat us respectfully in the public forums. If you feel the need to vent, gripe, or blow off some steam regarding a staff member's action or decision, we ask that you keep it private. Email, RTM, or the PM system would be the appropriate avenue to take in such cases. In cases where you would like to request additional clarity about a staff decision, you are free to pursue an answer in either a public forum or private means of communication. If handled publicly, post your inquiry in a respectful manner.

Seemed straightforward to me, but I am regularly doing janitorial work here.

ztonk
AustinModStaff

[rockerrick]

The Notorious J.I.D ! (Janitor In a Drum)

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by homer13

My question remains, if this was an Eccie issue then why are you handling it. Should it not be handled by the mods and owners/ admins.

Why would you suggest that a the site is run by a lot of corrupt Mods and then suggest that they should police there own?

I've always been under the impression that members have not only the right but the responsibility to speak out on things that affect them. If done is a respectful manner I've seen the owners of this board respond.

As to why they would let me post this? Actually to NOT let me post it would probably be seen as an attempt by corrupt mods to cover up for one of their own wouldn't it?

In reality here Homer. You typically take the opposite position to what I take on most matters.

I understand that you wouldn't be pointed because it was discussed prior and permission given. I take back your deserving points, I have been told by mods here in austin we are not allowed to publicly question them and if we do are subject to points.

If you were told that in exactly those words Homer I would RTM it fo all mods to see and email it to St. Chris and T-Bone.

You say you made an assumption about my post. It's post 61, there are not any expletives or anything point worthy.

Well.... Perhaps alluding to the owners as Pimps and that the place is run by crooked Mods they felt you should be pointed. I can tell you as I would any member over the years that once you go beyond about 15 points I would suspect you are getting on their nerves and are really simply fedup with you and where another guy that never causes any grief might catch a break or a warning, you are going to catch the points.

As Space said.... Appeal them if you want... Maybe the "Pimps" that own the site feel differently about how you refer to them...



I could post 20 things here from yesterday that we're a lot more offensive and insulting that got neither points or probably any warnings. I pointed out some truths, I pointed out that the board is ridden with corruption and ladies represented by someone. Then I shouted out to owners. Where's the disrespect? I can't even get a pm response from the mod who pointed me to clarify, just a snide response telling me to appeal if I want to the owner I called out which I have done. I was pointed for disrespect to staff. I have no idea who that's referring to. Was it saying there are corrupt mods, there are corrupt mods, a new one get outed regularly.

My question for you remains why did a non Eccie staff member need to handle an Eccie situation?

Why is it an ECCIE situation and not a situation the membership should be aware of? Honestly tell me how you would react and what you would have said of Ranch simply disappeared and later this story leaked out.... Keep in mind that it is Board Policy NOT to discuss disciplinary actions taken with the membership. I don't know the answer to your question. A stab in the dark from me is that they might want all the Mods to see that they are not above being called out when the facts support is and the membership to see that the playing field is equal and Mods will not be afforded any special protection when they fuck up.

The fact that he is a MOD is just a part of it. He is also a Member like you or I. Members get called out for bullshit reviews or underhanded things everyday. Most of what he has done, ANY member could have or may currently be doing.....

At the end of the day. Ranchhand's peers and the Owners will decide his fate as a MOD. There should also be a BAN in my opinion for some period of time. Any member caught accessing another member's account gets a ban of some sort.

On top of whatever the Owners/Admin decide...... there is the membership at large who will always look at and question in their minds anything Ranchhand has to say. Which is as it should be.

Is it an ego thing or are you more associated with Eccie then we thought?

Just a member like you Homer. Ego? I hoped Ranch would resign and guest and that I would not have to post. Why me? Well..... There are many examples over the years on more than one board where members turned to me with something they thought should be posted. Not everyone around here has the thick skin or devil may care attitude that you or I have. I've openly challenged other members, Mods, Admins and Owners in the past..... done so in a manner that is respectful...... and been able to get a point across..... Several years ago I was approached and asked if I wanted to become a Mod.... I've always felt that becoming a Mod would cut me out of some of the information flow that comes my way and I prefer to stay plugged in. A lot of people ARE concerned for bringing something to a MOD. There have been many times when a member HAS sent something to MOD and "copied" me on it. I think I've earned a reputation over the years of making sure that any kind of unfairness or problems that I am aware of get handled in some manner and that people are aware of it.... Maybe people see me as some sort of community watchdog because it has been guys and gals alike....


And as you rip pimps, how does that face in the mirror look? There are all kinds of pimps, I'm guessing you don't think they are all bad.

You don't need to guess Homer... Read what I've wrote.... I don't have the problem with Pimps that some guys have..... I'm sure I've seen a hundred plus girls of the years that were "pimped" by some guys standards.... I never became aware of it during my time with the lady so I could care less.... I've said for years that we should let a woman run her business the way she chooses... whether she choose a pimp, a manager or an Agency... or goes Indy....

I am not insensitive to a situation where a woman might be coerced or forced and would never have anything to do with her and would probably tell people about it.

No where in anything I've written here do I "rip pimps". You are reading into things what you want in order to make the point that I am known to hook guys up with girls....

I DO at times try to get a lady to satisfy my own urges....

If a lady calls and ASKS me for some sort of help and I am not interested I ask her if she wants to meet someone like me and if she does I let guys know there is a friend in need and put them in touch with one another.

If a guy calls and asks if I know a lady that might be available I let him know who I might think he can find and where....

I take no money.... I do not run ads with any regularity..... I am not actively trying to convince any lady to go make money using her body....

If you want to brand me a pimp for that OK.

This isn't a dig in any way. I think most people here know you and I are cool. These are just questions that need to be asked. You have your cross to bear and I have mine.

I don't think people think you and I are cool..... I think there are those that think I am cool and those that think you are cool..... But I don't think our circles intersect much outside of possibly scoring the same chick on occasion.

Don't bother correcting me... I know what you meant. But I have no beef with you. I do think though that you will take the opposite of just about any topic I do simply to try and discredit me in some way.

As this winds down I'll be back to life away from ECCIE I think. I've looked around for a few days now and really do not see a lot that interests me.... Even the "entertainment" aspect of threads does not seem entertaining to me and from an information standpoint it seems that some people simply want to make a joke out of everything and contribute nothing of value to a topic.

[homer13]

Originally Posted by ztonk

I don't think your unpaid volunteer local staff would have told you that. What they probably did was cite the forum guideline to you with some highlighting, perhaps like this:



Seemed straightforward to me, but I am regularly doing janitorial work here.

ztonk
AustinModStaff

Your are right sir that was exactly what I was talking about. Since you can post this can you return my pm please with clarification. I want to be an upstanding citizen and make sure I don't repeat what ever violation you think I did.

[homer13]

Originally Posted by Whispers

I don't think people think you and I are cool..... I think there are those that think I am cool and those that think you are cool..... But I don't think our circles intersect much outside of possibly scoring the same chick on occasion.

Don't bother correcting me... I know what you meant. But I have no beef with you. I do think though that you will take the opposite of just about any topic I do simply to try and discredit me in some way.

As this winds down I'll be back to life away from ECCIE I think. I've looked around for a few days now and really do not see a lot that interests me.... Even the "entertainment" aspect of threads does not seem entertaining to me and from an information standpoint it seems that some people simply want to make a joke out of everything and contribute nothing of value to a topic.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I have always felt that we are on the same page about 80-85% of the time. I have no desire to discredit you or doubt what you say it true. Your post had value, especially to those not in the know. As mentioned by others my post spoke truth's that apparently z found disrespectful regardless of truth and I got pointed.

Again, I am not discrediting anything you said, I believe it to be 100% accurate. My whole issue here is with hypocrisy and consistent and fair moderation.


As a side note and point of further clarification.

I really like Z and space and always have. I think they do a solid job compared to what I've read around the board. I know they find no pleasure in issuing points (well maybe a little in some cases). My post as I mentioned before was a general statement about what I've seen and read and in no way included them.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Ranchhand

I submitted my resignation to the owner of this board, and it was accepted.

As I said there will be more to this story and skeletons will come out, at this moment Im just not in the mood.

To everyone, Members and Mods that supported me, again I thank you.

My reputation has been tarnished as it should be, but it has also been tarnished more than it should be. I will expound at another time.

Again, I thank the owners, the Mods and the Members that stuck beside me.
Also one more time, I apologize. Ranch

He has, since initially confronted, spoke of having information that was damaging to others and let it be known to me that if he went down , he would be taking others down with him.

Which makes me have to ask just how credible is this man? What type of character flaw lets him sit on information that he believes will lead to the downfall of other members for things they have done similar or far worse than what he has done?

As a MOD he did nothing with the information.... NOW that he is being driven off by a court of public opinion he feels it appropriate to rat out others who's secrets he was keeping?

If there was any honor in this man at all he would have shared that information while a MOD.

Do I want to know what he has to say about others engaging in behavior like or worse than his? Sure I do. I think it needs to be shared.....

But he will disgust me even more when he shares it because it truly reeks in comparison to his previously portrayed image.

It will not be an honorable act but the act of a vengeful person.