For the ladies, why is Santorum TOO conservative?

[CuteOldGuy]

Polls are meaningless this far out. Still, it's nice to see that Dr. Paul is doing well, for someone deemed by the state-controlled media as "unelectable."

[BigLouie]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

We desperately need to get Obama out of office, and getting him out should be a cake walk.

Really? Why don't you detail why we desperately need to get Obama out of office, consider what he has done.

Obama has overhauled the food safety system
Advanced women's rights in the work place
Ended Don't Ask, Don't Tell (DADT) in our military
Stopped defending DOMA in court.
Passed the Hate Crimes bill.
Appointed two pro-choice women to the Supreme Court.
Expanded access to medical care and provided subsidies for people who can't afford it.
Expanded the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP)
Fixed the preexisting conditions travesty [and rescissions] in health insurance.
Invested in clean energy.
Overhauled the credit card industry, making it much more consumer-friendly.
While Dodd-Frank bill was weak in many respects, it was still an extremely worthwhile start at re-regulating the financial sector.
He created a Elizabeth Warren's dream agency: The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.
He's done a lot for veterans
He got help for people whose health was injured during the clean-up after the 9/11 attacks.

None of these things were priorities for Republicans. They actively opposed, directly or indirectly through obstruction, every single item on this list. In fact, they succeeded in killing a Cap & Trade bill in the Senate after it had passed through the House.

All of these things are improvements that would not have occurred under a McCain-Palin administration. Moreover, a McCain-Palin administration would have moved in the other direction on most of these issues, or come up with even worse compromises.

He's killed Osama Bin Laden
Eliminated several other Al-Qaeda leaders
Ended the War in Iraq
Begun the drawdown of forces from Afghanistan
End-run Republican obstructionism by recess-appointing Richard Cordray to run the Consumer Financial Protection Board.

[CuteOldGuy]

Geez, Louie. You really believe that crap, don't you? LOL!

[JD Barleycorn]

Hey Olivia, you should see my library both video and books.

Santorum said nothing about aspirins and knees. That was a supporter.

Today in one of my classes a young woman brought up prenatal testing and abortion (we were talking about statistics in the public realm). She said that 96% of all children found to test positive for Downs syndrome invitro are aborted. The topic went to if they (Downs symdrome children) can be aborted so easily then how far would it be to abort them after they are born? Anyway, Santorum was right about prenatal testing causing more abortions. It may not have been intended but that is the way it is. Someone else asked what about gay children. I think he was trying to ask what happens to a child that is found to be gay before they are born. We can't determine that yet but if they are born that way then we will find out soon enough.

Obama is religious and many of his supporters are very religious except you don't necessarily recognize it as religion. I'm speaking about environmentalism. Not your run of the mill environmentalism but the hardcore, at any cost environmentalism. Those people who equate fish as being equal to humans. That a tree is considered sacred. These earth worshippers have given themselves the mantel of morality. Morality is a function of religion. Al Gore himself said so. There are people out there like Charles Worster who would sacrifice millions of human lives to protect his idea of earth. How many of you have heard someone say that there are too many people? I bet most of you have heard at least once. So what are those people saying? How would they rid the planet of people. I heard someone described as a mainstream environmental activist on the radio in Jacksonville, FL speaking. He started getting some calls that rattled his cage and he went off. He publicly said that if it was up to him he would bulldoze the entire town of Jacksonville and turn it back into a swamp.
To further illustrate this religion; a dam was erected on a river in the 1950s near Jacksonville. For a number of years no one said a word until the 1990s then the environmentalists showed up. They protested about protecting mother earth and the animals. The case went to court and the judges decided to tear the dam down. The dam was destroyed and the environmentalists rejoiced as the eco system returned to "normal". Off course the fishing camps had to close, the eagles in their nests had to start over and many eaglets perished, fish died by the thousands, and just everything in a thriving eco system was destroyed. Their fundementalist views on nature blinded them to the reality of a new eco system. They acted like the worst kind of religious fanatic.
Point is do I think Santorum would ban abortion if he became president? No. Do I think he would appoint Supreme Court justices that may overturn Roe V Wade? Yes, and then the decision would go back to the states but abortion would not end. Would Santorum end federal funding of abortion? Yes, just like Ronald Reagan and both Bushes. Would Santorum outlaw contraceptives? Seriously? Do you really think anyone could do that if they wanted to? I am not crazy about the religious talk but I think Santorum would bring back a bit of class to the Oval office and I don't think he would be cheating on his wife.

[BigLouie]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Geez, Louie. You really believe that crap, don't you? LOL!

Why don't you try to refute any of what is posted.

[Whirlaway]

BIG spending socialist meddling nanny state government!

Thanks for reminding us why Obama is such a lousy President.

[CuteOldGuy]

Louie, every thread I post in is a refutation of that.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by BigLouie

Why don't you try to refute any of what is posted.

• Stopped defending DOMA in court. An unconstitutional stance. The executive branch is constitutionally charged with enforcing the laws passed by Congress. It does not have the prerogative to select which laws it will enforce and not enforce.
• Appointed two pro-choice women to the Supreme Court. Ultra-liberal, ideological appointments to the Supreme Court are in no manner an accomplishment.
• Invested in clean energy. Crony capitalism.
• End-run Republican obstructionism by recess-appointing Richard Cordray to run the Consumer Financial Protection Board. You forgot to mention the individuals he appointed that had no background checks.

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[Missy Mariposa]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...l?ref=politics

Republican candidate Rick Santorum is making free screenings for birth defects part of his attack on President Barack Obama's health care law. Santorum charges that the law requiring insurers to cover the tests is a way to encourage more women to have abortions that will "cull the ranks of the disabled in our society."

You've got to be kidding me. Women usually have these tests and then decide from there depending on life circumstances. And seeing as it's legal to do so, again I'm not seeing the problem. If you find out at 24 weeks that your baby will not live past a month, it's YOUR decision what to do with it. Or at 18 weeks that your baby has chromosonal issues that will lead to a full life of YOU having to care for it.

Affordable testing to discover this isn't bad, it's not going to create a rush to the abortion mill - most of the tests come back FINE. And those who don't - well honestly it's a personal decision whether or not you want to commit the rest of your life to someone with Downs, Hydrocephalus, T18, or any other mental disorder. And it's a incredibly hard and personal choice. I envy no one who has to make it. But withholding the testing so they're surprised in the delivery room*? Sucky. Id hate to have a baby and then be told "Oh yeah it's disabled and you could have been in classes learning how to care for him but sorry you couldn't afford the amnio!" And again, I worry this would make infantcide a real concern.

*The average person probably can't afford it out of pocket

[Whirlaway]

So you just think everything should be free and mandanted?

When is enough enough?

Santorum isn't outlawing the testing. He is right in defending religious and conscientious freedoms.

BTW Santorum is 100% correct in saying that these procedures cull the ranks of the disabled from our society ! That is fact. You might not like that fact, but it is a fact.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Santorum isn't outlawing the testing. He is right in defending religious and conscientious freedoms.

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Look, you can't pick and choose what religious freedoms you want to impose.

He wants to the religious stance of outlawing same sex marriage imposed by the government yet he does not want the government to impose birth control to insurance companies?

[Missy Mariposa]

^^^Exactly. He wants HIS religion to be the way and that's just not okay.

And no, those test do not "cull the ranks of the disabled". There are TONS of pro-lifers with disabled babies that would never abort them whether they knew the day they conceived or at 24 weeks. Lets be serious, those tests exists now and are covered by many major medical insurance companies. And surprise, there's still plenty of disabled children. I actually have a friend who just had a baby with hydrocephalus. He's 2 months old and has had several surgeries. They knew, they did not abort. But they were able to prepare for his disability before he was born. Had that been thrown on them at birth because their insurance didn't cover it, they wouldn't have been prepared for any of it - the emotional or financial aspects.

As someone who has their own disability, I'm not saying cleanse the disabled. I'm saying a woman should have a choice whether or not she wishes to devote the rest of her life to taking care of a disabled person. Parenthood should not be looked at as a life sentence, but rather a blessing. What kind of life can someone who sees it as jail provide?

So you just think everything should be free and mandanted?

No, I think the insurance premiums I pay should go towards medical services. An amnio is a medical service with more uses than just abortion roulette.

Birth control pills can be used for a variety of medical reasons other than preventing pregnancy - not to mention easy access to birth control LOWERS ABORTION RATES. This is PROVEN time and time again. But Santorum thinks it ruins the country. Forget the 19 year old girl who wants to enjoy her life and not worry about getting pregnant oh and hey it cleared up her acne and fixed her excessive menstrual bleeding too, she's ruining the moral fibre of America.

[Whirlaway]

The first Amenedment isn't picking and choosing.

[Whirlaway]

Your own arguement says Santorum is correct.....while there may be some who get the test and don't have an abortion...there are many who get the test and do kill the baby because of the results......so getting the test, results in culling the ranks of the disabled.......fact !

You don't like to hear it stated so, but a fact none-the-less.

Why are you arguing for the right to get the test if not to make an informed decision about to kill the child or not?

Originally Posted by Missy Mariposa

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And no, those test do not "cull the ranks of the disabled". There are TONS of pro-lifers with disabled babies that would never abort them whether they knew the day they conceived or at 24 weeks. Lets be serious.



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[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Hey Olivia, you should see my library both video and books.

What? YOUR idea of God? No thank you I already have a God.

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Santorum said nothing about aspirins and knees. That was a supporter.

All that proves is there’s more than one religious zealot the press is reporting.

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Today in one of my classes a young woman brought up prenatal testing and abortion (we were talking about statistics in the public realm). She said that 96% of all children found to test positive for Downs syndrome invitro are aborted. The topic went to if they (Downs symdrome children) can be aborted so easily then how far would it be to abort them after they are born? Anyway, Santorum was right about prenatal testing causing more abortions. It may not have been intended but that is the way it is. Someone else asked what about gay children. I think he was trying to ask what happens to a child that is found to be gay before they are born. We can't determine that yet but if they are born that way then we will find out soon enough.

I don’t care. My body; my right. Period. If your student doesn’t want to have an abortion, that’s her right. If she wants to have an abortion, that’s her right too.

You do know that before good obstetrics and pre-natel care was available, childbirth was the leading cause of death in women. I'll bet second was being beaten to death by their loving husbands. We should go back to that? See, dickheads like Sanatarium don't want women to have rights or be financially independent; they want them barefoot, pregnant and utterly dependent on the men in their lives for support. Abortion is the LAST BASTION OF CONTROL THAT MEN LIKE HIM HAVE OVER WOMEN.

Here’s another pretty “statistic”. A good girl friend of mine is a teacher for special needs children. She has to mark their diapers, yes they were still in diapers in “middle school”, to see if her students were wearing the same diapers the next day. And guess what?!? Most of them were. Which is kinder?

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Obama is religious and many of his supporters are very religious except you don't necessarily recognize it as religion. I'm speaking about environmentalism. Not your run of the mill environmentalism but the hardcore, at any cost environmentalism. Those people who equate fish as being equal to humans. That a tree is considered sacred. These earth worshippers have given themselves the mantel of morality. Morality is a function of religion.

As long as people, including Obama, “manage” their religion and keep it to themselves, I couldn’t care less what they worship. Trees, the Gods of Christianity, Islam, Buda, I don’t care. Just keep it to your own fucking self. People that knock on my door baring false witness to the Christian Gods get something quite rude about their polytheist religion and my door in their face. The socio-political movements of Christianity and Islam cloaked in religion are only the business of the Christians and Muslims. Many others and myself don’t want anything to do with them. Now, here, in the twenty-first century we are STILL fighting Holy wars. And lunatics like Sanitarium want nothing but to institute Christian Religious Law. It’s unconstitutional, and I don’t want it.

There are too many people on the planet. Who would say there aren’t? The Earth cannot support all the water, food and shelter necessary to sustain them. With the advances in cheap calories via mono-farming – which is highly damaging to the environment and agro-economy – and medical advances in life sustaining drugs, trauma care and obstetrics the population has exploded. Do I think they should be starved or killed, NO. However, I see no problem with careful reduction in the population on a go forward basis.

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

To further illustrate this religion; a dam was erected on a river in the 1950s near Jacksonville. For a number of years no one said a word until the 1990s then the environmentalists showed up.

Dams are bad for the environment.

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Point is do I think Santorum would ban abortion if he became president? No. Do I think he would appoint Supreme Court justices that may overturn Roe V Wade? Yes, and then the decision would go back to the states but abortion would not end. Would Santorum end federal funding of abortion? Yes, just like Ronald Reagan and both Bushes. Would Santorum outlaw contraceptives? Seriously? Do you really think anyone could do that if they wanted to? I am not crazy about the religious talk but I think Santorum would bring back a bit of class to the Oval office and I don't think he would be cheating on his wife.

Yes, I think he’d try. I know he’d end public funding for reproductive health care. He’s a lunatic that is guided by his Gods first, his own sense of self rightness (Which the Sermon on the Mount forbids) and then, and only then, would he adhere to the laws of the land – And ONLY the laws of the land his Christian Law agrees with!

I couldn’t care less who he sleeps with. That’s his and Mrs. Sanitarium’s business. Are you married? What are you doing on this board if you are?