What is up with all of the broke providers?

[Tapatio]

I always figured if I just couldn't make it out here that I would solve my financial worries the fast and sure way. I would go into a bank with a note that read I was robbing the place. The feds would pick me up and I would become a guest of the federal gubmint. Free food, clothes, medical care and a place to live! If you are doing bad then take my free advice and go to club fed. You won't starve and you'll be able to exercise and read a whole lotta books! No need to ask for help from anybody as the taxes of four families will pay your way.

[VeronicaMoore]

I thought on this for about three days before saying something, but I just have to...

Even though it's an unpopular stance, I 100% agree with what Kayla says too. I know not every situation is the same. I know many people have children. But many people also have children who aren't providers and they do just fine. Sure it's a struggle, but if you're a provider AND you're struggling, then what's the point!?!?!

Why go through all the risk of incarceration, having your children taken away, public humiliation, bodily harm, etc AND still have to struggle to make ends meet?? If you're "selling it," you shouldn't be broke. I agree with that 100%!!

I had a roommate who ended up making only one appointment a week. When I first met her, she was doing at least 2 a day. She was constantly borrowing money from me to keep her phone on, to go to the store and get bologna and bread for sandwiches, for cigarettes.

WTF!? Nobody becomes a provider so they can sit around all day praying that the phone rings and then getting $250 a week. I told her that for all that, she could go work at McDonald's and make MORE than what she was making as a provider.

I don't know... maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't understand that logic of "just lower your rate to $50/$60/$70 (or something that would constitute you 'swallowing your pride'). " Before swallowing your pride (and taking more risks) by lowering your rates to one which you don't like or don't feel comfortable with and thus you have to "swallow your pride" to accept, why not just go work at like McDonald's, Target, a gas station... ANYTHING. Yeah, it's not "glamourous" and dangerous like escorting and it's longer hours, but it gets the bills paid.

[lisa.lisa0302]

I got a lady hard on reading your post Veronica....

+1

[guest071811-3]

The day I have to freakin work at mcdonalds and sell pussy is the day I walk away from selling pussy..

It baffles me that people think "bad" or less than desirable guys are the only ones you will get if you lower your rate.. guess what.. those same "super nice" guys everyone sees now..will be just as happy to see you and save 50 freakin bucks as they they were when you was 50 bucks more.. guess what people..my rates have always been 150..and yet I see the same guys that other girls charging more see..yes..those lovely 200 and 250 girls that think they are weeding guys out with their rates..ya those guys..yes they see the "cheaper" girls too.. and amazingly no..just cuz im "cheaper" they don't treat me "cheaper"..they are just happy to have a good time and save some money..

this job is a freakin luxury.. it allows mothers to be with their children, there for their kids and family a hell of a lot more of the time then if they are busting it 40 hrs a week in the real world. yet somehow it still manages to get screwed up... the solution is NOT taking another job, for the simple reason you are suppose to be doing this job as a way to get fast cash, easily and lots of it without investing alot of hours per week...

If its a matter of I don't really belong here type thing, girls that can't live with themselves for being paid providers having sex with strangers every day of the week, then yes..those girls need to quit bitching, get a life and get a real job flippin burgers.. if you can't run with the big dogs..you stay your ass on the porch.. this job isn't for the weak minded, insecure, or low self esteem girls.. selling sex is easy, but only if you come with your mind right to the day to day stuff..

Am I to good to work at walmart? hell no.. but i would simply refuse to do BOTH.. if you can live with the "stress" as some girls claim of meeting new guys screening them, fucking them etc.. part time while you have a real job.. yet still don't have enough money and bitch about it..then either go full time at a rate that allows you to live the life you want, or move the f' on and get a real job full time and leave the drama and personal finance problems off the board..this place is suppose to be an escape from the real world and the problems there..not a place to drag them, beat them, beat them some more and later on still not have them fixed and beg for help again. If girls don't have their shit in order, get off the board and get it in order, quit looking for some WK to come to your aid and clean up your messes yet again.. and leave the board for what it is.. a place to meet girls, make money, spend money and overall have a fuckin good time


sellin pussy ain't hard, it baffles me though that some still manage to screw it up!!

[DFWRaven]

Amen....

DeAnna... I think you just said what most guys who hobby have wanted to say, but were afraid of provider backlash, for years... If we wanted Drama, We'd go to the high school play or stay home and listen to the wife bitch and moan...
Thank You

[Guest012211-3]

Originally Posted by DeAnna Luv

The day I have to freakin work at mcdonalds and sell pussy is the day I walk away from selling pussy..

It baffles me that people think "bad" or less than desirable guys are the only ones you will get if you lower your rate.. guess what.. those same "super nice" guys everyone sees now..will be just as happy to see you and save 50 freakin bucks as they they were when you was 50 bucks more.. guess what people..my rates have always been 150..and yet I see the same guys that other girls charging more see..yes..those lovely 200 and 250 girls that think they are weeding guys out with their rates..ya those guys..yes they see the "cheaper" girls too.. and amazingly no..just cuz im "cheaper" they don't treat me "cheaper"..they are just happy to have a good time and save some money..

It's true! On the other side, men shouldn't assume that a reasonably 'priced' lady offers poor service. Some of us (me) do see this as a luxury and are truly thankful for the opportunity to have a little fun and pay the bills.

[travelling_man]

Originally Posted by DeAnna Luv

It baffles me that people think "bad" or less than desirable guys are the only ones you will get if you lower your rate.. guess what.. those same "super nice" guys everyone sees now..will be just as happy to see you and save 50 freakin bucks as they they were when you was 50 bucks more..

Amen! And what about that $225 or $250 girl that I wanted to see but just couldn't quite afford? What if she lowered her rates to $50, well I'd probably see her 4, 5 or 6 times A WEEK and she would end up making MORE money from me that if she kept her rate up where it was. Just do the math - what's zero times $200, $225 or $250 vs 5 or 6 times $50? At what rate do you think the girls will earn more money? Seems like DeAnna has it figured out and I don't see her on here complaining that business is slow and looking for handouts.

<edit> Just saw that Nicole posted above me. This is a girl that has it figured out also. She is amazing and in a class of her own. She could charge $400 and easily get away with it and be well worth it. But she doesn't. I use her as a measuring stick every time I see a new girl pop up with GPS and rates well north of $200. I think - is this girl better looking or could she possibly have better BCD skills than Nicole Preston? If the answer is no (which it almost always is), then why would I consider seeing her when I already know how amazing Nicole can be.

So maybe I might not see the same girl 5 or 6 times, but with lower rates I sure would see MORE girls than I do now. So for the hypothetical provider with rates at $250.....zero times $250 = what? Same hypothetical provider with same services at a rate of $100. What if 10 guys that couldn't afford to see her at $250 now saw her at $100. 10 times $100 = $1000. Which is more? Zero or $1000?

Just an interesting observation and not directed at anyone in particular.

[Guest012211-3]

Wow, thank you!

I have to add this: there are plenty of ladies doing quite well at the 250+ range.

[DFW5Traveler]

Originally Posted by Nicole Preston

It's true! On the other side, men shouldn't assume that a reasonably 'priced' lady offers poor service. Some of us (me) do see this as a luxury and are truly thankful for the opportunity to have a little fun and pay the bills.

And bastages like me appreciate women like Nicole who offer a full menu even for her early-bird special

Kudos, Nicole!!! You really will be missed when you swim accross the pond

[hotlips_houlihan]

Originally Posted by travelling_man

And what about that $225 or $250 girl that I wanted to see but just couldn't quite afford? What if she lowered her rates to $50, well I'd probably see her 4, 5 or 6 times A WEEK

So maybe I might not see the same girl 5 or 6 times, but with lower rates I sure would see MORE girls than I do now.

Ok, color me confused. But if you couldn't afford to see her at 225 or 250, then how could you afford to see her 4 or 5 times a week? Even at 50 bucks, you are still putting out the same amount of money, only she's working 4 or 5 times harder to earn the same amount. So to make 500, she would have to see 10 guys at 50/each versus 2 guys at 250/each. Talk about wearing the coochie out, ouch! lol

So then you go on to say you would not see the same girl that many times a week. You would see more girls than you do now. Seems to me you are the only one getting the bargain, in either scenario lol

Or am I reading that wrong?

[VeronicaMoore]

The day I have to freakin work at mcdonalds and sell pussy is the day I walk away from selling pussy.

And the day I have to freakin sell pussy and make less than I would working at mcdonald's the day I go turn in my garters for a spatula. WHICH IS THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE. I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade here. But it always seems that way lol. This job IS a luxury. We're on the same page with that at least, Deanna. Ladies shouldn't come crying about financial woes on the board. People don't wanna hear it. It makes the lady look bad.

Where we're just gonna have to agree to disagree is about "swallowing your pride" and lowering your rate (to something which would constitute "swallowing your pride"). I guess I must just be a "weak minded, low self-esteem girl," but before I lower my rate to a place where I feel like I am swallowing my pride, I'd go do something else. Yep, I'm too prideful. So sue me.

BUT

On that same hand, I'm too prideful to come to a damn escort board and ask for help. Or take handouts. What I don't understand is those that have too much pride to lower their rate or get a "civilian" job, but are perfectly fine with asking for assistance on the boards.

Also, I find it interesting that after all that I said in the last post, the only thing people seemed to hone in on was where they THOUGHT I was saying that *only* undesirable men come out at lower rates.

I realize that there are quite a few nice guys who can't afford much, just like there are wealthy men who are total jerks. I didn't say undesirable clients come out at lower rates. I said lowering your rates brings more risk. And it does.

When you lower your rates in order to try and make more money (or even the same money, really) you HAVE to see more clients. That's the whole argument "for" lowering of rates that everyone is making. EVERY TIME you see a new client, you are putting yourself at risk for any number of things. Multiply that by the 4 or 5 times. Some people can handle that risk. Some can't. But the risk IS THERE.

Originally Posted by travelling_man
And what about that $225 or $250 girl that I wanted to see but just couldn't quite afford? What if she lowered her rates to $50, well I'd probably see her 4, 5 or 6 times A WEEK

Men are always talking laughing "provider math," but this "hobbyist math" is just as baffling. Affording $225 is out of the question, but $300 isn't?

Yeah... no. I'm gonna have to COMPLETELY disagree. Otherwise why is affording $225 a problem, but $300 not lol? What you mean is that you would see SEVERAL ladies a week, not the SAME lady several times. Meaning each lady would only make $50. Just do the math - what's one times $50 vs 1 times $250? At what rate do you think the girls will earn more money? Gee, sounds like a great deal for a hobbyist though.

And there are PLENTY of ladies on this board are doing just fine at $200/$300/$400 an hour. "Doing fine" is relative, though. To me, I'm "doing fine" if I don't see anyone at all. To some "doing fine" is one appointment a month. To others "doing fine" is 4 a week. Some aren't "doing fine" unless they have 3 a day.

[Copierguy0]

IMHO, there is too much "Sugar coating" in many threads. Thats not true in THIS thread and it serves up some very good reading. I enjoy reading this thread because of all the HONEST and DIRECT oppinions of ALL that posted here. (especially the Providers)

CG

[EmilyHemingway]

Originally Posted by travelling_man

Amen! And what about that $225 or $250 girl that I wanted to see but just couldn't quite afford? What if she lowered her rates to $50... So maybe I might not see the same girl 5 or 6 times, but with lower rates I sure would see MORE girls than I do now.

The hobby is a luxury. If you cannot afford a luxury, then do what everyone else does - including me - and do without. We do not owe anyone charity pussy.

On a thread where people are talking about how providers can't manage their money, hobbyists can be found saying they can't afford luxuries and that the answer is that the poor hobbyists should live in a magical world where luxuries are cheap. The irony is killing me.

It's a sad, sad world, right enough. Some ladies don't have what it takes to be successful providers. Some providers couldn't manage their way out of wet paper sacks. Some people have unfortunate breaks. Some people don't get to play in expensive settings because they can't afford it. Such is life.

[DFW5Traveler]

Originally Posted by VeronicaMoore

I realize that there are quite a few nice guys who can't afford much, just like there are wealthy men who are total jerks. I didn't say undesirable clients come out at lower rates. I said lowering your rates brings more risk. And it does.

That's a great point Veronica. Just because there are some of lessor means doesn't make them bad people. Money itself often turns people into animals.

I would add that a provider who is worried about getting a poorer quality client, because they aren't rich enough to afford their bed on a daily basis, screen better.

Originally Posted by EmilyHemingway

The hobby is a luxury. If you cannot afford a luxury, then do what everyone else does - including me - and do without. We do not owe anyone charity pussy.

It's a sad, sad world, right enough. Some ladies don't have what it takes to be successful providers. Some providers couldn't manage their way out of wet paper sacks. Some people have unfortunate breaks. Some people don't get to play in expensive settings because they can't afford it. Such is life.

I agree this hobby is a luxury, but could you imagine what sexless men would be like in this society without you lovely providers?

I don't think the thread intent is to ask providers to lower their rates, it was to point out the "poor me, I'm not getting any clients and can't afford my <insert want here>." I agree that sometimes it isn't about a want over a need. However, during the course of a downturn, sometimes the best thing to do is practice a little humility and reevaluate your priorties. If a business fails due to bad business practices and they file bankruptcy, they have to liquidate or reorganize to become profitable.

That said, lowering a rate to attract clientel is a basic economic rule that works in every aspect of business. Yes, you may have to work a little harder during a less than stellar season, but that is what sacrifice is about. Just ride out the storm and raise your rate back to nominal when the storm passes. Humility seems to be a trait that is being thrown to the side. The "Me Generation" is a narcasistic, everyone-owes-me era that is extremely unattractive.

[Lana Warren]

Originally Posted by DFW5Traveler

The "Me Generation" is a narcasistic, everyone-owes-me era that is extremely unattractive.

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