Michigan Govr lets citizens get poisoned by water

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Originally Posted by lustylad

You can't even keep your story straight, can you dipshit?

And why don't you mention the fact that Darnell Early is an African-American Democrat? Is that tidbit of information not helpful to your despicable effort to pin the blame entirely on a white Republican Governor? You are a complete lying PIECE OF SHIT, filthier than anything that ever floated down the Flint River.

Edward Kurtz was city mgr who made the call to change in 2013, Darnell Earler was the city mgr in 2014 who implemented the change, Both were appointed by Snyder.

Go fuck yourself idiot.

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Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Now LittleEva. You need to thank your butt buddy, AssupWK, for WKing for you. He only wants you here because if you left, he'd be the most stupid poster on this board.

You would still be here, and there are plenty of your ilk to suck up the slack.

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Where's your link, ekim?

When the state signed off on Flint's decision to switch to Lake Huron, it was assumed the city would continue using Detroit as its supplier until the new pipeline was ready.

Then Flint officials dropped the ball. They failed to reach an interim contract to keep getting their water from Detroit and switched to the corrosive Flint River instead.

None of this had anything to do with a "Governors (sic) austerity program". The state Treasurer at the time was a Democrat, Andy Dillon. He commissioned a study that concluded switching to Lake Huron would be COSTLIER than continuing to use Detroit as the water supplier. Flint officials rejected the study and voted to change anyway.

By the way, ekim, the state doesn't impose austerity on Flint. The City went hat in hand to the state begging for help. It couldn't pay its bills because it was FUBAR after decades of dimotard fiscal mismanagement. If the state didn't come to the rescue, do you think Flint would experience more austerity or less austerity?

In return for putting together a bailout, the state has every right to ensure that its money is not as badly misspent as in the past and the City does not simply revert to the same irresponsible spendthrift habits that beggared it in the first place.

Here's my link, ekim... now where's yours?

http://www.freep.com/story/news/poli...ives/76037130/

If, as you claim, state officials (I assume you mean DEQ employees, you don't specify) knowingly falsified records, they should face criminal charges.

Where's your link, ekim?

Or do you even know how to post a link?
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Originally Posted by lustylad

Go fuck yourself, you lying bastard.

I never blamed the residents for this fiasco. I said the fiscal incompetence of the Democrats who governed Flint for decades drove the City into receivership in the first place. Democrat policies allowed businesses to flee, destroyed the tax base, halved the population, kept the remaining residents poor and the City of Flint strapped for funds. That's the real story of how Flint Democrats said FUCK 'EM to the residents.

And as I also mentioned, the real accountability here rests with the Michigan DEQ. They are the "experts" who are paid by Michigan taxpayers to protect all residents from environmental hazards. They are the ones who fucked up by not doing the job they are paid to do.

If you're done fucking yourself, go suck a banana and fuck yourself again, you maliciously lying lib-retarded jackass.

Read your own post, and go fuck yourself.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

Edward Kurtz was city mgr who made the call to change in 2013, Darnell Earler was the city mgr in 2014 who implemented the change, Both were appointed by Snyder.

Go fuck yourself idiot.

Flint Emergency Manager Darnell Earley - DEMOCRAT
Flint Mayor Dayne Walling - DEMOCRAT
Flint City Council (8 Members) - ALL DEMOCRATS
Michigan State Treasurer Andy Dillon - DEMOCRAT
EPA Regional Administrator Susan Hedman - DEMOCRAT
EPA Head Gina McCarthy - DEMOCRAT


WHY DO DEMOCRATS WANT TO POISON POOR LITTLE BLACK KIDS IN FLINT, MICHIGAN? WHY ARE THEY SUCH RACIST, UNCARING BASTARDS?

WHY CAN'T EKIM TELL THE TRUTH?

[lustylad]

The Democrats’ Filthy Flint Water

Dirty politics lead to dirty water.

January 21, 2016
Daniel Greenfield


Mayor Dayne Walling, a Democrat, led a cheerful countdown at the Flint water treatment plant to press the button moving the city over to river water. Walling and Darnell Earley, the Democratic emergency manager, even raised glasses in a toast and drank the water to show that it was safe.

“It’s a historic moment for the city of Flint to return to its roots and use our own river as our drinking water supply,” Walling said. “The water quality speaks for itself.”

Flint’s city council had voted in favor of the move 7-1. Despite claims about the power of the emergency manager, the switch could not have gone forward without that vote.

Even once the problem had surfaced, the EPA knew and kept quiet. It was only once the crisis broke, that the Democratic establishment attempted to redirect the blame at Michigan’s efforts to fix broken Democratic cities like Flint using emergency managers. The war against the emergency managers is not about clean water; it’s about protecting the dirty Democratic politics that destroyed these cities.

Flint’s dirty water had its origins in dirty politics. The Democratic Party had badly mismanaged the city.

Flint was trying to cut costs, but not in the right place. Water rates were already murderously high, because around 40 percent of the city’s water was leaking out or being stolen. Water theft is routine in failed Democratic cities like Flint. And the thefts often come from the inside.

Warren Southall II, a Flint city employee, illegally turned on water in exchange for bribes. Last year he was fined, but would not serve any jail time. Illegal water hookups are everywhere. Residents who have their water turned off can always find ways to get it turned back on again. The cost gets passed on to those who pay their bills. And the rates go up and more residents run away.

From 2002 to 2010, Flint’s population declined by 18%. The poverty rate encompasses over a third of the population. Barely half the city works. The second largest employer in Flint is government.* The third and fourth largest employers, healthcare and education, are heavily government subsidized.

Flint is a failed city. It’s what happens when Democrats run a city into the ground by driving away jobs and pandering to unions. Eventually the union contracts make a city’s finances unfeasible and the cycle of tax hikes, union contracts, unfunded pensions, welfare protests, junk bond sales and then crisis management and privatization takes its toll. That is exactly what happened in Flint.

Flint got deep into trouble because of its unions. The city has been desperately struggling to privatize as much of its services as it can, wiping out union jobs to protect union retirement benefits, and then cutting services to cover for a growing deadbeat population that wants services, but doesn’t want to pay for them. And the simple fact of life is that somebody has to pay for clean water. Or it won’t be clean.

It wasn’t corporations or big business that made it impossible for Flint to pay its bills. It wasn’t Rick Snyder. *It was Flint residents who kept voting for ridiculously incompetent Democrats.

Flint, like Detroit, needed emergency managers because the Democratic Party had destroyed entire cities. And it is those emergency managers, who are often African-American Democrats even when appointed by Republicans, who are being used to pass all the blame on to Governor Rick Snyder.
But they are leaving out a whole lot of history along the way.

In 2002, Woodrow Stanley, the three-term Democratic Party mayor, was removed from office by angry voters due to a $30 million deficit. He didn’t accept the blame for the disaster. Instead he blamed racism.

“The stench of racism that reeks [from] this election will linger in the nostrils of this community for decades," Stanley said. In reality, plenty of black voters had turned out to drive him out of office.

After a state takeover put Flint back in the black, Woodrow “I Blame Racism” Stanley faced off against Don “The Don” Williamson, a convicted criminal and car dealer. The Don won and running for reelection, he told residents that, "I don't lie to nobody! The city is the most solvent in the state of Michigan."

Flint was as solvent as Detroit. In reality there was a $4 million deficit. Williamson was accused of lying about the deficit to get reelected. Around that same time, Time named Flint the “most dangerous city in America”. After a threatened recall election, Williamson resigned and decided to run for governor as a Democrat while claiming, "I'm going to go down as the greatest mayor this city has ever had."

Governor Jennifer Granholm had unleashed the disaster by signing an executive order ending the state of emergency in Flint and claiming that, “The citizens of Flint can take great satisfaction in that the financial cloud that has lingered over the city has been lifted.”

“I expect the city to remain on sound financial footing into the future,” the failed Michigan politician, who would enjoy a brief career working for Al Gore’s ultra-leftist Current TV before losing her job due to the Al Jazeera sale, claimed.

Flint’s real problem is that it had far too many expenses, far too many employees and no money. Like Detroit, it was another failed Democratic city that residents were fleeing as fast as they could. The only people left behind had no option to move anywhere else. They wanted services, but they weren’t paying taxes. Income tax revenue in Flint fell by almost a third in four years.

Flint needed its emergency managers; it had to drastically cut costs, because it couldn’t pay its bills. It wasn’t the Republican governor who made Flint into a financially unviable proposition.

The attempts to blame Rick Snyder for putting an emergency manager in charge are cynical Democratic politics. And the emergency manager in charge, Darnell Earley, was a Woodrow Stanley loyalist and a Democrat. He had at one point even been a Granholm appointee.

Flint’s last emergency manager, Jerry Ambrose correctly pointed out, “There’s just a point in time there’s just not enough gas in the tank. There’s just not enough revenue from the local taxpayers to solve the problems that are here.” The question is who is going to be on the hook to pay the bills?

Democrats want to annex suburbs and drag them into paying the bills for failed cities. These ideas find favor within the White House. But that just widens the sphere of economic destruction. It encourages people to flee even further to escape the economic event horizon of disasters like Flint and Detroit.

And it avoids the moral question of whether the innocent should be forced to bail out the guilty.

The left reduces such questions to matters of pure entitlement. Everything is a right. But the Flint disaster shows the practical cost of entitlement. In the end there is still a bill. And when the bills aren’t being paid, then cities will find ways to cut costs that carry with them their own price.

How many of the Flint protesters waving yellow water bottles were paying their water bills? How many had subsidized water? How many had illegal water hookups? How many had voted for Democrats?

Socialism works until you run out of other people’s money. And that’s when the death panels kick in. It’s when your electricity stops being reliable, the cops don’t show up when called and your water stops being clean. There’s no way to escape these simple economic facts of life.

Democrats turned Flint into a deadbeat city. A deadbeat city with high crime, high rates of structure fires, lots of potholes and failing services. Flint, Detroit, Newark, Oakland, Chicago and a hundred other failed and failing cities are their handiwork. And as long as their residents continue voting for the same party that made this mess, their lives and their services will only get worse.

Flint’s dirty water originated with its dirty Democratic Party overlords. Blaming Republicans won’t clean it up.
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[lustylad]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

Read your own post, and go fuck yourself.

Very articulate, ekim! Your logic is compelling, your rejoinders are crisp and pointed! You are the most persuasive poster on this board! Always chock-full of substance and rational arguments! Keep it up, ekim!

I'm still scratching my head over one thing, though....

WHY DO DEMOCRATS WANT TO POISON POOR LITTLE BLACK KIDS IN FLINT, MICHIGAN? WHY ARE THEY SUCH RACIST, UNCARING BASTARDS?
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[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Flint Emergency Manager Darnell Earley - DEMOCRAT
Flint Mayor Dayne Walling - DEMOCRAT
Flint City Council (8 Members) - ALL DEMOCRATS
Michigan State Treasurer Andy Dillon - DEMOCRAT
EPA Regional Administrator Susan Hedman - DEMOCRAT
EPA Head Gina McCarthy - DEMOCRAT


WHY DO DEMOCRATS WANT TO POISON POOR LITTLE BLACK KIDS IN FLINT, MICHIGAN? WHY ARE THEY SUCH RACIST, UNCARING BASTARDS?

WHY CAN'T EKIM TELL THE TRUTH?

What are you trying to say shit for brains? A republican Governor appointed democrats to carry out his orders, so he can blame them when the shit hits the fan. Go piss and moan somewhere else I am done with your bigoted ass.

http://critical-moment.org/2011/07/0...budget-crisis/

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

Go piss and moan somewhere else I am done with your bigoted ass.

Lookee at that, folks! Mr. I'va Always Gotta Get the Last Word In says he is tapping out!

"I am done" bending over and getting fucked in the ass, he says! Sheesh. All I did was ask the obvious question on everyone's mind - why are Democrats such racist, uncaring bastards?

What's the over/under for how long until ekim posts again in this thread?
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[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

[SIZE="3"]A republican Governor appointed democrats to carry out his orders, so he can blame them when the shit hits the fan.

And ....

... A Democratic President appoints "to carry out his orders, so he can" deny they are responsible for doing shit or not doing shit, "when the shit hits the fan.

... As you suggested

... go piss and moan (and fabricate) somewhere else ....

BTW: Does the Governor in Michigan appoint Mayors?

"Mayor Dayne Walling, a Democrat, led a cheerful countdown at the Flint water treatment plant to press the button moving the city over to river water. Walling and Darnell Earley, the Democratic emergency manager, even raised glasses in a toast and drank the water to show that it was safe.

“It’s a historic moment for the city of Flint to return to its roots and use our own river as our drinking water supply,” Walling said. “The water quality speaks for itself.”

Flint’s city council had voted in favor of the move 7-1. Despite claims about the power of the emergency manager, the switch could not have gone forward without that vote."

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

http://critical-moment.org/2011/07/0...budget-crisis/

And check this out, folks! Ekim has finally learned how to post a link! Hurrah for ekim!



Oh wait, hold the applause... the link is to an article almost 5 years old!

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Oh wait, hold the applause... the link is to an article almost 5 years old!

That's about the mental age of the poster, isn't it?

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

What are you trying to say shit for brains? A republican Governor appointed democrats to carry out his orders, so he can blame them when the shit hits the fan...

What are YOU trying to say, jackass? Did the Governor appoint the Mayor? All 8 City Council members? The federal EPA chief and her regional administrator?

Are you trying to say if the Governor had just appointed Republicans, the whole fiasco could have been avoided? (Hmm... you might have a point there.)

And when did Rick Snyder issue an "order" to use Flint River water? Got a link for that, ekim?

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Originally Posted by LexusLover

That's about the mental age of the poster, isn't it?

LOL look at lexie lacking pucker up so he can kiss ass again. FYI lustless was the dumb fuck saying Snyder didn't have an austerity program, and it has been going on for 5 years........Fuck off.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

FYI lustless was the dumb fuck saying Snyder didn't have an austerity program, and it has been going on for 5 years........

Nope. Never said that. What I said was the switch to using the Flint River had nothing to do with Snyder's austerity program. Never said he didn't have one.


LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE!

WHY CAN'T EKIM TELL THE TRUTH?

[CuteOldGuy]

If they spent as much energy on cleaning the water as they do in placing the blame, the water might be safe by now.