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Old 10-09-2017, 06:07 PM   #91
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No. He was eaten by sharks!
Bet YOU would have " ATE " him if he'd have flopped his MEAT into one of YOUR 'holes !
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Old 10-09-2017, 07:23 PM   #92
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didn't they say that there was an explosion (when police blew the door down) his body moved?
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Old 10-09-2017, 07:25 PM   #93
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Blood splatter would be on the wall, that puddle is from where he fell. For the left, there was no puddle around Vince Foster's head.
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Old 10-09-2017, 07:46 PM   #94
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Business as usual...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzbs2rHyzWw
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Old 10-09-2017, 07:48 PM   #95
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itd be nice to see a pic of the entire crime scene.... guess we'll have to wait.
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Old 10-09-2017, 08:33 PM   #96
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Holy Cow – The Official Mandalay Bay Massacre Narrative Just Completely Changed – Latest Presser Video…

Posted on October 9, 2017 by sundance

Well, well, well… the entire previous weeks claims about the timeline and structure of Stephen Paddock and how he carried out the Mandalay Bay Massacre just changed a full 180 degrees today when Sheriff Joseph Lombardo dropped a statement that Paddock did not begin shooting until his advanced preparation was interrupted by Mandalay Bay security officer Jesus “Jose'” Campos.

According to the latest stunning revelation by Sheriff Lombardo, security guard Campos was responding to a door alarm notification, presumably from a fire exit door being opened by suspect Paddock on the 32nd floor. Upon reaching the floor, Campos noticed the hotel room suite door was ajar, and heard the sound of drilling (he didn’t knock).




Paddock was drilling a hole in a door (“adjacent room”) when Campos walked in at 9:59pm. That’s when Paddock opened fire on Campos wounding him in the leg. Immediately thereafter is when Stephen Paddock broke out the windows and opened fire on the crowd below.

This latest revelation is explosive because it shows Paddock was interrupted in the act of preparing for the attack, and not during the commission of the attack itself.

This explains a great deal about the event and why so many advanced preparations appeared not to have been utilized. Unused ammunition, body armor, weapons etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM3WEYRoJOs

This latest crucial bit of information is also explosive in that it may indicate there were other participants that might have been present, later, if the attack plan had proceeded without being interrupted by the security guard (the need for 23 firearms etc.).

Within these latest developments it is entirely possible that Paddock would have had a great deal more effectiveness in the overall attack if he had finished the preparation prior to carrying out the shooting.

The hurried need to carry out some level of the attack despite the interruption might also explain why Paddock just smashed out the windows to begin firing etc. He may indeed have had a much more substantive plan, but was forced to drop that approach by the unexpected interruption prior to the shooting.

This new information essentially changes everything. It is also most likely the reason why the LVMPD have stated they will not hold another presser until Friday.

Here’s the presser video with my notes bullet-pointed below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jSGsmAElHU

Paddock’s brother is in town and being questioned.
No evidence of a 2nd shooter. (yet)
Approximately 200 of Paddock’s prior visits to Las Vegas and surrounding area tracked down – No other contacts identified.
Still no motive.
FBI begins releasing some property. See FBI.GOV website for more details.
Anticipate one more week investigating physical site of attack.
Anticipate one more week investigating hotel room.
Investigation is very complicated. “Complicated event reconstruction”
No further press conferences until Friday (October 13th)
Some evidence of medication in room. No details provided.
No note left in room. Would not discuss night stand note and numbers.
Sheriff Lombardo very confrontational with questioning.
Security Guard heard drilling in room. Drilling of “adjacent door” interrupted by security guard and not completed.
Security guard did not knock on hotel suite door. Door was party ajar.
Security guard shot (at 9:59pm CST) prior to the mass shooting of the crowd at 10:05pm CST. Repeat: PRIOR TO THE SHOOTING OF THE CROWD.
Guard was responding to alarm of “open door” (likely emergency stairwell)
Paddock had body armor and “self defense equipment”.
Paddock check in date at hotel Sept 25th (parking), but did not occupy hotel suite until September 28th. Time between 25th and 28th is deepest investigative period officials cannot explain Paddock activity.
Paddock did plan to escape. No details provided.
Multiple cell phones in room. No details provided. (FBI Interruption)
Lots of electronic equipment were in the room. Forensics ongoing.
Paddock disguised his movements in the periods immediately prior to the shooting date of October 1st. Investigators perplexed by thoroughness of Paddock disguising his activity.
Sheriff Lombardo very aggressive, curt and short-tempered with this press conference.
No further press conferences scheduled until Friday October 13th.
How can investigative officials so clearly mislead the public on the timeline of the shooting itself as it relates to the security guard?…. and still hope to retain credibility with the public? … this makes no sense.

The disinformation previously provided on the exact shooting timeline itself was not accidental. That timeline was provided FOUR DAYS after the attack. More than enough time to have the timing accurate. The motive for misinformation is troubling.

This official story is getting sketchier by the day:

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Old 10-09-2017, 09:19 PM   #97
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interesting....
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Old 10-09-2017, 10:12 PM   #98
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So why did it take so long to release this info??
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Old 10-10-2017, 03:22 AM   #99
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prolly, this was done to work thu the timeline and suspect that wanted to make sure the release details won't compromise the investigation.
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Old 10-10-2017, 07:44 AM   #100
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So why did it take so long to release this info??
Early on the Sheriff stated that they were working on the "timeline" and would revise it as additional information was obtained, which included security video and witnesses.

The summary posted above is vaguely inaccurate from what the Sheriff actually said yesterday and before. The "open" door was not that of the shooter's room ... the inhouse security Campos was shot and remained on the floor for a few minutes to get a maintenance man off the floor ... who had come onto the floor just after he was shot ... through the door ...

.. if I heard correctly (was listening to it live) the Sheriff said 200 rounds were fired through the door when Campus was hit ... that's what is "alarming" to me ... 200 rounds of rifle fire inside a hotel out into the hallway and no one else was hit and now one else heard it in the hotel? Hopefully, the Sheriff misspoke.

There seemed to be a few minutes after Campus was shot before the shooter started firing at the crowd below. Supposition: The appearance of Campos and shooting at him sped up the plans of the shooter, who (according to the Sheriff) didn't complete the "drilling" he was doing, who then began shooting at the crowd, since he was then discovered and undoubtedly the "cavalry" was on their way to end his plot.
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Old 10-10-2017, 07:53 AM   #101
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prolly, this was done to work thu the timeline and suspect that wanted to make sure the release details won't compromise the investigation.
That's a "motive"!

The Sheriff all along said the "timeline" would be revised as they reviewed other evidence and new evidence was discovered.
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Old 10-10-2017, 08:09 AM   #102
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Blood splatter would be on the wall, that puddle is from where he fell. For the left, there was no puddle around Vince Foster's head.
In typical fashion, JDrunk returns to his unhealthy obsession with the Clintons.

I’m more interested in what we’re gonna do to keep weapons like these out of people’s hands.

You forensic experts can argue over the corpse all day. And spin your wild conspiracy theories. And question the investigation tack and procedures (like you could do it better.)

Won’t bring back a single victim.
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Old 10-10-2017, 08:25 AM   #103
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In typical fashion, JDrunk returns to his unhealthy obsession with the Clintons.

I’m more interested in what we’re gonna do to keep weapons like these out of people’s hands.

You forensic experts can argue over the corpse all day. And spin your wild conspiracy theories. And question the investigation tack and procedures (like you could do it better.)

Won’t bring back a single victim.
We will never have gun laws like Japan and imho are just spinning our wheels even debating the issue. We are where we are in this country and it will never go to a Japanese style ban. In 2008 while we had over 12k firearm related homicides , Japan had 11.

Taking guns away from our citizens would be like taking away surf boards from Hawaiians!


This Bump ban will not slow down the death rate of firearm victims in this country....it is a good fight but one in vain imho.

https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...deaths/260189/




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didn't they say that there was an explosion (when police blew the door down) his body moved?
If you're suggesting an "explosion" to open the door moved (as in turned over) his body, then I doubt it seriously based on the shell casings lying around his body. An explosion of sufficient strength to flip him over would have blown the shell casings away from that area. I suspect someone rolled him over to ID him ... and hopefully someone took some pics before they did ("body cams"!

Again, that's what is wrong about leaks without explanations.
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.. if I heard correctly (was listening to it live) the Sheriff said 200 rounds were fired through the door when Campus was hit ... that's what is "alarming" to me ... 200 rounds of rifle fire inside a hotel out into the hallway and no one else was hit and now one else heard it in the hotel? Hopefully, the Sheriff misspoke.
That's one hell of a misspoke..
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