Creation or Evolution? (Maybe both)

[wellendowed1911]

Originally Posted by Lust4xxxLife

Here's my usual controversial view.

If you believe in God and creationism because of what's written in the Bible and preached on Sundays, you're a fool. If you give your money to a church, you're even more of a fool and you are the reason that religion has existed since the beginning of time. As long as there are gullible fools to support the lifestyle of others, there will be religion and cults. If your religion asks you to give money or sex, you are being victimized.

However, if you believe in some kind of god or creationism because you're an intellectual and there are still too many unanswered questions regarding our origins for you to rule out the involvement of a higher being, I salute you for having an open mind. Science has a long way to go before it can answer our questions, but science is at least focused on seeking answers instead of promoting fiction.


Religion is all about close-minded dogma. Science is all about open-minded questioning. No true scientist would rule out the involvement of a higher level of being without empirical evidence otherwise. Higher-level beings are <> gods. That is a concept passed along from primitive man. We are gods to ants but we don't expect them to worship us on Sundays and throw coin into the collection bowl.

L4L

However, the flaw with your beliefs is I haven't heard any scientist ever claim there was a higher intelligence- most say that everything happened by chance or it evolved.

If the Bible is a fable than how come after thousands of years scientist still can't disapprove the Bible.however, if this superior being wants us to worship him than who are you to question what he wants or what he has set forth in place?
Do I believe religion has it's flaws- it surely does especially among the fanatics, but that has nothing to do of God's expectations and yes I do believe that throughout time this superior being has spoken to man.
Also, if you believe that their is no "spiritual" world than how does science debunk the numerous documented cases of demonic possessions miracles that science can't explain ghost, apparitions, UFO sightings- are all these just mad up(granted some are bogus) but can you as a rationale man say everyone is a hoax?

[bojulay]

Originally Posted by Lust4xxxLife

Here's my usual controversial view.

If you believe in God and creationism because of what's written in the Bible and preached on Sundays, you're a fool. If you give your money to a church, you're even more of a fool and you are the reason that religion has existed since the beginning of time. As long as there are gullible fools to support the lifestyle of others, there will be religion and cults. If your religion asks you to give money or sex, you are being victimized.

However, if you believe in some kind of god or creationism because you're an intellectual and there are still too many unanswered questions regarding our origins for you to rule out the involvement of a higher being, I salute you for having an open mind. Science has a long way to go before it can answer our questions, but science is at least focused on seeking answers instead of promoting fiction.

Religion is all about close-minded dogma. Science is all about open-minded questioning. No true scientist would rule out the involvement of a higher level of being without empirical evidence otherwise. Higher-level beings are <> gods. That is a concept passed along from primitive man. We are gods to ants but we don't expect them to worship us on Sundays and throw coin into the collection bowl.

L4L

There is as much or more closed minded dogma in science, especially
science which deals with the origin of all things, as there is in
any religion.

Tell me that isn't true.

People always bring up some closed minded dogma argument.

But you could spend forever arguing which side actually has
the most so called closed minded dogma.

Seems there is plenty enough to go around.

That's why when understood properly both sides are a religion.

[Look-at-Stupid]

Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

However, the flaw with your beliefs is I haven't heard any scientist ever claim there was a higher intelligence- most say that everything happened by chance or it evolved.

If the Bible is a fable than how come after thousands of years scientist still can't disapprove the Bible.however, if this superior being wants us to worship him than who are you to question what he wants or what he has set forth in place?
Do I believe religion has it's flaws- it surely does especially among the fanatics, but that has nothing to do of God's expectations and yes I do believe that throughout time this superior being has spoken to man.
Also, if you believe that their is no "spiritual" world than how does science debunk the numerous documented cases of demonic possessions miracles that science can't explain ghost, apparitions, UFO sightings- are all these just mad up(granted some are bogus) but can you as a rationale man say everyone is a hoax?

I have no clue what you refer to when you talk about science NOT disproving the buybull? It has been proven through geological records there has never been a world-wide flood. There is ZERO archelogical evidence of the Israelites wandering the desert for 40 years, but those were not the aims of those scientific expeditions. So just what is your basis for making this claim? Science has better things to do than research fairy tales.

And since there is ZERO evidence for ghosts, ZERO evidence of UFO, and demons, science does not have to disprove it. The burden of proof lies on those who claim such things exist, and thus far you have failed 100% of the time

[sroach23]

The bible is a heavily plagiarized book. It is damn near made up entirely with stories from the Egyptian and Pagan religions. The new testament was written by the Romans right before Constantine went on his pagan killing spree. Do you believe that the Romans had the truth in mind while they were writing these "original" stories?

Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

However, the flaw with your beliefs is I haven't heard any scientist ever claim there was a higher intelligence- most say that everything happened by chance or it evolved.

If the Bible is a fable than how come after thousands of years scientist still can't disapprove the Bible.however, if this superior being wants us to worship him than who are you to question what he wants or what he has set forth in place?
Do I believe religion has it's flaws- it surely does especially among the fanatics, but that has nothing to do of God's expectations and yes I do believe that throughout time this superior being has spoken to man.
Also, if you believe that their is no "spiritual" world than how does science debunk the numerous documented cases of demonic possessions miracles that science can't explain ghost, apparitions, UFO sightings- are all these just mad up(granted some are bogus) but can you as a rationale man say everyone is a hoax?

[Guest032516]

Originally Posted by bojulay

There is as much or more closed minded dogma in science, especially science which deals with the origin of all things, as there is in any religion.

Tell me that isn't true.

OK. It isn't true. That is a false claim of equivalence.

You should look up the definition of dogma before you throw it around.

Definition of Dogma:
1. A doctrine or a corpus of doctrines relating to matters such as morality and faith, set forth in an authoritative manner by a church.
2. An authoritative principle, belief, or statement of ideas or opinion, especially one considered to be absolutely true.

In general usage, there are religious dogmas and political dogmas.

But science doesn't have dogmas. It has theories and hypotheses that are routinely tested through experimentation. Science never deals in absolute truths. It deals with models that explain the world around us - until a problem develops with one of those models and an updated model is proposed, which is then, in turn, subjected to testing and experimentation to try to disprove it.

That's how science operates. It continually tries to DISPROVE its own ideas through experimentation, testing and observation until a theory is finally able to stand up to all existing scrutiny. At which time, the theory is finally, reluctantly given a qualified acceptance as being true. - at least for now! It is that type of scrutiny and acceptance that enables science to creep closer and closer to the truth.

You know, all the stuff that religion doesn't do.

Originally Posted by bojulay

People always bring up some closed minded dogma argument.

Not quite. Only religious people bring up closed minded dogma. Scientists do not. That don't have dogmas.

Originally Posted by bojulay

But you could spend forever arguing which side actually has the most so called closed minded dogma.

No, you couldn't. Religion would win hands down in a matter of minutes.

Originally Posted by bojulay

Seems there is plenty enough to go around.

Only on religious side.

Originally Posted by bojulay

That's why when understood properly both sides are a religion.

No, they are not. Properly understood (but clearly not by you) only religion is religion. Science is most definitely NOT.

Word have meaning - see the definition above. You don't just get to declare both sides to be dogmatic because you cannot counter scientific arguments with fact-based arguments.

[Guest032516]

Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

If the Bible is a fable than how come after thousands of years scientist still can't disapprove the Bible.

You have that exactly backwards. If religion wants to make extraordinary claims about the nature of existence and about how we should live our lives, then it is religion that must prove the Bible is true. It is not the job of others to disprove it.

But religions cannot PROVE anything, can they? How exactly would you design an experiment to test for the existence of God? You cannot, which is why religion is all about faith and belief, NOT about provable or disprovable facts. And that is why religious people try to shift the burden over to skeptics to prove that the Bible or Koran or Talmud or Book of Mormon or Dianetics is false.

And where do you get the idea that the Bible has not been disproven? It has been. Many, many time.

Some Bible believing people think the world is 6000 years old.

Yet we know from carbon dating and other types of radioactive decay dating that the world is billions of years old and that life existed hundreds of millions of years ago. There are ocean fossils embedded in the rock of mountains like the Alps thousands of feet above see level. The mechanism of plate tectonics (which shifts the earth's surface around and is scientific fact) would have taken millions of years to move those fossils from the bottom of the ocean to 15,000 feet above see level. So how could the Bible possible be right about the age of the universe being 6000 years old?

And we cannot travel back in time, so how exactly is science supposed to disprove particular occurrences, for example, that Jesus walked on water or raised the dead? It happened (allegedly) in the past.

But we know for certain that IN OUR TIME, none of those miracles in the Bible occurred.

We've never seen the Red Sea part.

We've never seen a man and his boat get swallowed by a whale and then see both the man and the whale survive.

We've never seen a man walk on water.

We've never seen someone get raised from the dead.

We've never seen water turned into wine - unless it was mixed with grape juice and yeast and then fermented. Prayer certainly never did the trick.

Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

However, if this superior being wants us to worship him than who are you to question what he wants or what he has set forth in place?

I am a free man possessed of reason and intellect and I can question whatever I want, including the existence of the supposedly superior being.

I only have your word for it that he supposedly exists. And you appear to me to be deluded. Why should I believe you? Can you PROVE God exists?

Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

Also, if you believe that their is no "spiritual" world than how does science debunk the numerous documented cases of demonic possessions miracles that science can't explain ghost, apparitions, UFO sightings- are all these just mad up(granted some are bogus) but can you as a rationale man say everyone is a hoax?

Science has debunked those hoaxes, too.

All ghosts, apparition, and UFO sightings are the result of either deliberate falsehoods at the malicious end of the spectrum or simple mistaken observations at the more sincere end of the spectrum.

[DFWhobby]

Originally Posted by bojulay

If there was nothing then no big bang, no matter, no time
the possibility of nothing is not a possibility. Everything from
nothing all matter, space, time, complex organisms, banana splits,
key lime pie, SCARLETT JOHANSSON, rubber baby buggy bumpers,
---really (talk about lunacy)

I'm not Catholic.

Chimps also have two eyes, a pair of ears, two feet, an asshole,
but I don't think anyone will be debating creation or evolution
with one of them any time soon.

If macro evolution is a fact and we are so closely
related to chimps why cant humans cross bread with them.

And where are the reptiles with reasoning ability, how come
they got left without that convenient little attribute during
the evolutionary process----oh wait I know that answer,
The Democratic Convention.

So sheeple still believe whatever is spoon fed to them through
pseudoscience, including the lunacy of macro evolution.
There ya have it! The end.

The scientific ignorance in this argument is astonishing.

Why can we need breed with primates? Due to basic chromosomal differences. You say you sheeple, looking at things rationally and demanding evidence is very different that being a sheep and believing in magic and unicorns.

I honestly hope I see the death of religion in my lifetime, anything that seeks to control and limit the human mind is an enemy of the people as a whole.

[DFWhobby]

Originally Posted by bojulay

There is as much or more closed minded dogma in science, especially
science which deals with the origin of all things, as there is in
any religion.

Tell me that isn't true.

People always bring up some closed minded dogma argument.

But you could spend forever arguing which side actually has
the most so called closed minded dogma.

Seems there is plenty enough to go around.

That's why when understood properly both sides are a religion.

Yes but with science as theories/facts are changed so does the collective intelligence, with religion you disprove something and people simply make excuses.

Science is not a religion assuming I read that right...
Religion - The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods.

Science is the belief in tangible evidence. Not flying spaghetti monsters.

[bojulay]

Originally Posted by Look-at-Stupid

I have no clue what you refer to when you talk about science NOT disproving the buybull? It has been proven through geological records there has never been a world-wide flood. There is ZERO archelogical evidence of the Israelites wandering the desert for 40 years, but those were not the aims of those scientific expeditions. So just what is your basis for making this claim? Science has better things to do than research fairy tales.

And since there is ZERO evidence for ghosts, ZERO evidence of UFO, and demons, science does not have to disprove it. The burden of proof lies on those who claim such things exist, and thus far you have failed 100% of the time

Two AMAZING films that refute this Idea.

Watch them with an open mind and pay attention to the details presented
and they will blow your mind, they blew Bojulays mind and Bojulays mind
is not easily blown.

Mount Sinai Found
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEdpkdkjLf0
The giant split rock they found alone is a mind blower.

Exodus Revieled
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXf2IDS-9g0

Bojulay says, do yourself a favor.

It seems like some science is being applied. ha ha ha ha

[bojulay]

Originally Posted by ExNYer

OK. It isn't true. That is a false claim of equivalence.

You should look up the definition of dogma before you throw it around.

Definition of Dogma:
1. A doctrine or a corpus of doctrines relating to matters such as morality and faith, set forth in an authoritative manner by a church.
2. An authoritative principle, belief, or statement of ideas or opinion, especially one considered to be absolutely true.

In general usage, there are religious dogmas and political dogmas.

But science doesn't have dogmas. It has theories and hypotheses that are routinely tested through experimentation. Science never deals in absolute truths. It deals with models that explain the world around us - until a problem develops with one of those models and an updated model is proposed, which is then, in turn, subjected to testing and experimentation to try to disprove it.

That's how science operates. It continually tries to DISPROVE its own ideas through experimentation, testing and observation until a theory is finally able to stand up to all existing scrutiny. At which time, the theory is finally, reluctantly given a qualified acceptance as being true. - at least for now! It is that type of scrutiny and acceptance that enables science to creep closer and closer to the truth.

You know, all the stuff that religion doesn't do.


Not quite. Only religious people bring up closed minded dogma. Scientists do not. That don't have dogmas.


No, you couldn't. Religion would win hands down in a matter of minutes.


Only on religious side.


No, they are not. Properly understood (but clearly not by you) only religion is religion. Science is most definitely NOT.

Word have meaning - see the definition above. You don't just get to declare both sides to be dogmatic because you cannot counter scientific arguments with fact-based arguments.

EVOLUTION AS DOGMA
www.arn.org/docs/johnson/pjdogma1.htm

THE DOGMA OF EVOLUTION
www.icr.org/article/dogma-evolution/

Did I say DOGMA, what I really meant to say was DOGMA.

[wellendowed1911]

Originally Posted by Look-at-Stupid

I have no clue what you refer to when you talk about science NOT disproving the buybull? It has been proven through geological records there has never been a world-wide flood. There is ZERO archelogical evidence of the Israelites wandering the desert for 40 years, but those were not the aims of those scientific expeditions. So just what is your basis for making this claim? Science has better things to do than research fairy tales.

And since there is ZERO evidence for ghosts, ZERO evidence of UFO, and demons, science does not have to disprove it. The burden of proof lies on those who claim such things exist, and thus far you have failed 100% of the time

provide the evidence that says there's no proof there's been a worldwide flood? Do you really need me to name literally hundreds of Biblical prophecies that have come true- some even before your eyes right now. I guess whoever you think wrote the Bible thousands of years ago- somehow just took a wild guess and knew there would be a cashless society(you tell me- do more people shop with credit cards or cash these days), great wars, re-establishment of Israel. Here are some that I copied and pasted from a website:


1. The Jewish people would be scattered worldwide; yet Israel would become a nation again-ref Isa 66:8; Mic 5:3. Prophecy fulfilled. This happened exactly as predicted on May 14, 1948. That’s 1 out of 1.
Note: Israel was destroyed in approximately 721 B.C. and Judah about 135 years later. For the last 2500 years, approximately fourteen different peoples have possessed the land of Israel. Nevertheless, the Bible showed that the day would come when the nation of Israel would be reborn.
The rebirth of Israel was a key sign, indicating we had entered a time period called the latter days. It was the beginning of a countdown leading to the Tribulation and culminating with the Battle of Armageddon and the return of Jesus immediately after. Along with the fulfillment of this crucial event are over 360 prophecies that would all come together, so we might recognize that the Tribulation is very close at hand. Twenty nine of them are listed here.
Yet the Bible foretells that most people would not believe these things, despite the overwhelming evidence of the fulfillment of the signs from God’s Word and the incredible rebirth of Israel happening exactly as predicted. As people refused to believe the flood was coming in Noah’s time, so people today willingly choose to disregard the signs of the times.

2. Israel shall be brought forth in one day, at once-ref Isa 66:8. Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948. That’s 2 out of 2.
Note: On Nov. 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the U.N. approved a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. On the morning of May 14, 1948 (the last day of the British mandate), a meeting of the People’s Council took place in Israel to decide on the name of the state and to finalize the declaration. At exactly 4pm, the proclamation ceremony began at the Tel Aviv museum. The 979 Hebrew words of the Scroll of Independence were read. All stood, and the scroll was adopted. The notorious White Paper, issued by the British in 1930 restricting Jewish immigration, was declared null and void. Members of the People’s Council signed the proclamation. David Ben-Gurion rapped his gavel, declaring, “The State of Israel is established. This meeting is ended.” Israel was brought forth as a nation in one day, at once. It happened exactly as predicted. At midnight, the British soldiers and high commissioner would leave. President Truman was swift in announcing U.S. recognition of Israel. The following morning, on May 15, Israel was under armed attack by the Egyptians, Syrians, Lebanese, Jordanians, and Iraqis.

3. The rebirth of Israel would happen after many days. It would occur a long time in the future after the prophecy was made and at the time the bible calls the latter days-Ezek 38:8. Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948. That’s 3 out of 3.
Note: It is estimated that this prophecy was made around 580 B.C. Approximately 2500 years later, in 1948, this prophecy was fulfilled.

4. Israel would be brought forth (or reborn) “out of the nations.”-Ezek 38:8. Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948. That’s 4 out of 4.
Note: As previously stated, on Nov. 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the “United Nations” approved a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. This prophecy was perfectly fulfilled. Consider, for centuries the land of Israel had been occupied by many nations. Israel was “brought forth out of the nations”—the children of Israel from many nations were returning to their ancient homeland.

5. Israel must regain the city of Jerusalem-Joel 2:32; Isa 28:14; Ezek 22:19. This happened just as predicted in 1967. That’s 5 out of 5.
Note: The Bible gives us two methods so we would know we are in the last generation. One is by Israel’s rebirth. The other, by a precise line of events that would all come together at one time. Israel was reborn on May 14th, 1948. The Bible indicates that from Israel’s rebirth a generation would not pass till all be fulfilled. A Jewish generation is figured from the age of 20 to 60 (1968). We are not setting any date, but it seems clear that we are living in that generation now.

6. The Christian church at the time of the end would be lukewarm, neither cold nor hot for Jesus. Prophecy fulfilled. That’s 6 out of 6.
Note: God will spew them out. Many church leaders and people that call themselves a Christian and are sure they are saved will not be going to heaven. The Bible tells us—you have acquired wealth, but your true condition is wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked and you don’t know it-Rev 3:14-22. This is today’s church. Most churches preach very little Scripture, but lots of worldly stories. Many sing a great deal, but put very little emphasis on repentance, obeying, serving, and fearing God, the fruits of the Spirit, Bible prophecy, water baptism by immersion, and studying your Bible faithfully every day. Many are only entertainment centers that teach what their members want to hear. People will not endure sound doctrine-2 Tim 4:3. They turn away from the truth-2 Tim 4:4. Many church members are so lukewarm or dead, they don’t even bring their Bibles with them to the house of God. Many ministers think this is the best church age ever, yet the Bible clearly shows it is the worst and most deceived.

[wellendowed1911]

Originally Posted by Look-at-Stupid

I have no clue what you refer to when you talk about science NOT disproving the buybull? It has been proven through geological records there has never been a world-wide flood. There is ZERO archelogical evidence of the Israelites wandering the desert for 40 years, but those were not the aims of those scientific expeditions. So just what is your basis for making this claim? Science has better things to do than research fairy tales.

And since there is ZERO evidence for ghosts, ZERO evidence of UFO, and demons, science does not have to disprove it. The burden of proof lies on those who claim such things exist, and thus far you have failed 100% of the time

Also, here's something I want you to answer- if the Bible is a fable and made up- explain this mere fact:
Moses wrote Genesis 3500 years ago. He either saw in vision or was taught by tradition the creation of the universe and wrote what he learned. Since then scientists have found his description and their findings to be in complete agreement. Moses wrote 3500 years ago about events that scientists have not fully understood until just recently.


One example is the first event, the separation of light from darkness. This is an excellent description of an event astronomers refer to as the photon decoupling event. Prior to that event, say modern astronomers, the universe was opaque.

Light could not stream, helium atoms could not form. There was no material for building worlds, there was no light and darkness. After this event, light formed and streamed creating light and dark places in the universe.

Helium atoms could form and thus worlds were able to be formed. The photon decoupling event as described by astronomers matches Moses description of the separation of light from darkness.

From there, the following takes place:
-The creation of the earth itself
-The separation of the dry land from the seas
-The creation of plants in a particular order - grasses, shrubs and trees
-The placing of the heavenly bodies in relationship to the earth
-The creation of animal life in a particular order - fish, birds, land animals
-The creation of man

As scientists study the creation of the universe and life on earth, they
have found that it happened in exactly that order.

David Attenborough's book "Life on Earth" gives a good description of the order of the creation of life on earth. His listing of the order of appearance of various types of life and the sequence given in Genesis agree. While Moses does not mention every item, those he does mention are in the correct order



Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/2288872

Now What are the odds that someone writing a "fable" over 3500 years ago is able to accurately predict the correct order of creation that even scientist agree took place????


Finally if the bible is made up- can you explain how is it- that whoever in your mind wrote the Bible knew that the earth was round and nothing holding it up- wen the very common belief during that time and many thousands year after was the earth was flat and was being held up by something(atlas)?


Isiah 40: 22 : It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grashoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

And here is one that proves that the world is kept in place by invisible forces.

Job 26:7 : He stretcheth out the North over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

[wellendowed1911]

Yet even more astonishment from the Bible- the book some people say was made up or is a fable:


Scientific Fact or Principle Bible reference Date of discovery by man
Both man and woman possess the seed of life Genesis 3:15 17th Century
There is a place void of stars in the North Job 26:7 19th Century
Earth is held in place by invisible forces Job 26:7 1650
Taxonomic classification of matter Genesis 1 1735
The Earth is round Isaiah 40:22 15th Century
Certain animals carry diseases harmful to man Leviticus 11 16th Century
Early diagnosis of leprosy Leviticus 13 17th Century
Quarantine for disease control Leviticus 13 17th Century
Blood of animals carries diseases Leviticus 17 17th Century
Blood is necessary for life Leviticus 17:11 19th Century
Oceans have natural paths in them Psalms 8:8 1854
Earth was in nebular form initially Genesis 1:2 1911
Most seaworthy ship design ratio is 30:5:3 Genesis 6 1860
Light is a particle and has mass (a photon) Job 38:19 1932
Radio astronomy (stars give off signals) Job 38:7 1945
Oceans contain fresh water springs Job 38:16 1920
Snow has material value Job 38:22 1905, 1966
Infinite number of stars exist Genesis 15:5 1940
Dust is important to survival Isaiah 40:12 1935
Hubert Spencer's scientific principles Genesis 1 1820
Air has weight Job 28:25 16th Century
Light can be split up into component colors Job 38:24 1650
Matter is made up of invisible particles Romans 1:20 20th Century
Plants use sunlight to manufacture food Job 8:16 1920
Arcturus and other stars move through space Job 38:32 19th Century
Water cycle Ecclesiastes 1:7 17th Century
Life originated in the sea Genesis 1 19th Century
Lightning and thunder are related Job 38:25 19th Century
Man was the last animal created Genesis 1 15th Century

[Lust4xxxLife]

Wow, the intelligent debate is great. I completely disagree with wellendowed1911 and the material he has presented, but it was intelligently presented and I read every bit of it.

The key for advancement of the human race and the union of science and those with faith is a questioning open mind. Any religion that purports to have all the answers because they are written in a book that was written a couple of thousand years ago and re-written through the ages to suit the whims of Kings, Popes, and other corrupt individuals is bogus. Similarly, there are too many scientists who have locked on to specific theories and as a result are probably failing to question assumptions that may or may not be valid. In both cases, dogma is the problem and open minds are the solution.

I think faith is a personal thing, like conscience, and is the result of the parsing of all the available inputs that a person has access to. Your beliefs should be open to change whenever you learn something new. I think religion is the corruption of faith. Religion doesn't encourage questioning, it tells you what to believe and the ages-old Sunday sermons are designed to drill it into your brains and collect money. A lazy mind will choose that option over the more difficult challenge of trying to maintain an educated personal opinion and religions have been exploiting that fact forever.

[Lust4xxxLife]

Consider these two points:

1. Religion will exist and be profitable as long as it can continue to cast doubt on scientific advancement.

2. Science will exist and be profitable based on its ability to question everything and provide fact-based alternatives to religious ideals.

Which team do you think will win? I see it as a competition between the World Is Flat team and the World Is Round Team.