Moderator Abuse of Power- who polices the police?

[Lea Madisson]

First... allow me to be off-topic.. Friday I was preparing for running my first 1/2 marathon (Yes... I said "running") and Saturday was the big event so I was not on the boards hardly at all! BTW, I finished under the time I was shooting for so I am really excited!!

Originally Posted by MoonHowler

Many Providers especially those relatively new are in both awe and fear of the Mods. Mods def get benefits.

Ah... I don't get any benefits... not one of you guys have paid me double because I am a Mod!!! Even if I do try to coerce you!!

Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

A wise local community should keep there mod in fear of the local community.

I am not sure if a Mod should "fear" the community. It may be a matter of semantics, but all Mods should understand that they serve the community... the community is not there to serve them.

Originally Posted by dearhunter

I get it.......this is DRAMA..........Arkansas style........why not just get Lazrback or MrHappy4U to put a sticky in the Welcome Wagon.... "If one of us (Lazrback or MrHappy4U) asks you for special favors in exchange for assistance, please know that this is unacceptable and should be reported to us (Lazrback and MrHappy4U) immediately"

LOL.. true to form, Deartard!!! Though I do think you may be on to something. As a female Mod, my position is fairly limited to the Powder Room and local Forum "Infoshare" rooms for providers. I am fortunate enough to be assigned some states with good male mods who like for us to work as a team. Often times I will chime in here and there.

So, I think from now on when I welcome a new girl to the board and encourage her to seek VP status, I will also include a sentence about it being unacceptable for any Moderator to try to coerce or even offer an exchange of services for VP status. Then I will tell her to contact me or St C!

Originally Posted by dearhunter

........and there is the crux of it......DRAMA.......I would put to you that the way you guys run away from drama is part of your problem........there is a place for all of it.......your goal should be the free flow of information (even bullshit).....because nuggets of truth are dropped along the way.......instead, what you get is half-drama, drama that never ends.......because, no one ever wins

Call the bullshit for what it is.....but, don't attempt to silence it......because, in the process you silence yourselves.

There are times when I post a small "warning" post in a thread that is about to go south! It is not to discourage the free flow of info... but to encourage that the flow of information remain in the realm of civility.

But, I will agree,,, there are times when one needs to "call the bullshit for what it is."

Originally Posted by Rockydoc

Obviously, I have no proof of any activity, only the ladies can give direct witness. What administrator are you suggesting they contact, Lazr? Surely it cannot be an AR moderator? Can a position such as an ombudsman be created to handle such complaints? Surely this is not the only instance in all of eccie? I know that job would suck, but it is probably needed.

In the absence of such a position, what administrator do you suggest? St C. himself?

Yep... St C himself. I also encourage any provider to contact me. I have championed some provider issues concerning the misbehavior of male Mods... "I ain't afraid of no Modtard!!"

So, there ya have it... at least one comment from a provider/hooktard/taintmotard!!

Smooch!

Lea

[jim1995]

Devils advocate here. Aren't all hobby activities illegal anyway? So asking for extra services due to a perceived position of power, is not cool? Isn't having something the other wants either $ or the ability influence an audience an acceptable trade for a provider? Especially a newer provider looking to add clients or a longstanding provider needing a fresh review to reestablish herself.

Politicians are very good at this so why not a mod or person with a following?

Anyone else notice not a single provider has posted on this thread. hmmm. The silence is deafening...

edit to add: Lea posted as I was typing.

[Lea Madisson]

Originally Posted by jim1995

Devils advocate here. Aren't all hobby activities illegal anyway? So asking for extra services due to a perceived position of power, is not cool? Isn't having something the other wants either $ or the ability influence an audience an acceptable trade for a provider? Especially a newer provider looking to add clients or a longstanding provider needing a fresh review to reestablish herself.

Politicians are very good at this so why not a mod or person with a following?

Anyone else notice not a single provider has posted on this thread. hmmm. The silence is deafening...

Here is the difference... a provider can certainly offer a discount or a freebie when she is new to any board in exchange for a review. Now, I am not debating the right or wrong of that since a lot of guys don't think a review in exchange for sex is a legit review. But, it is the prerogative of the provider to bargain for what she wants.

Verified Provider status is totally different. Screwing a Mod is not a requirement. And any Mod who would do that is wrong. I would go as far as to say even if a provider offers it to a Mod, he should take the high road and refuse a discount in exchange for sex. His first words should be, " you don't have to do that. I will be happy to assist you in becoming a verified provider. It is part of my job!"

Smooch!

Lea

[jim1995]

Originally Posted by Lea Madisson

Verified Provider status is totally different. Screwing a Mod is not a requirement. And any Mod who would do that is wrong. I would go as far as to say even if a provider offers it to a Mod, he should take the high road and refuse a discount in exchange for sex. His first words should be, " you don't have to do that. I will be happy to assist you in becoming a verified provider. It is part of my job!"

Smooch!

Lea

I appreciate your input Lea, I will continue the devils advocate role.

The little head does offer a lot of fun advice and takes over in many instances. If it didn't, none of us would be here and there would not be a job for a provider. I know its the world oldest profession.

I can say this from a personal standpoint, being offered free or discounted services is difficult to pass up. Especially when it would happen more frequently to a mod and the mods that do the right thing, hats off to you!

One other question, when or if you masturbate is that considered screwing a mod for free? Ha!

[offshoredrilling]

Lea

thank you for posting in this thread

[offshoredrilling]

Originally Posted by Lea Madisson

I am not sure if a Mod should "fear" the community. It may be a matter of semantics, but all Mods should understand that they serve the community... the community is not there to serve them.

mmmmmm I could go for that. But would still add fear in that if mod dos not learn from his/her mistakes serving the community, and is acting as the community is there to serve him/her. The community well go after them to end it.

[pyramider]

Originally Posted by jim1995

I can say this from a personal standpoint, being offered free or discounted services is difficult to pass up. Especially when it would happen more frequently to a mod and the mods that do the right thing, hats off to you!

There is a difference in a lady offering of discounted/free services and a fucktard/modtard walking away with the envelope, shorting a fee, or manipulating a lady into a freebie. A big difference.

[Lazrback]

Originally Posted by Rockydoc

What administrator are you suggesting they contact, Lazr? Surely it cannot be an AR moderator?
In the absence of such a position, what administrator do you suggest? St C. himself?

There are really only 4 active Administrators on eccie,, St. Christopher, JohnnyBax, SurfnDick, and myself. Which does put Ar. in a special category as I am both a mod and admin. But in this sort of situation I would suggest going to the top of the chain and as Lea suggested pm her or St. Christopher directly.

As it was early this morning by the time I posted here allow me to respond to a secondary subject on this thread, Drama, I myself categorize this reaction into two different area's. Drama for the sake of drama, and drama as a collateral reaction to a response. The first is usually less productive than the second and detrimental for the most part, while the second can, when directed towards a greater end, reveal as Dh suggested "some pearls of wisdom".

[Rockydoc]

Wow, Lazr, no idea we were in such exalted company

[Lazrback]

The "title" doesn't make me any smarter,,, just gives me more board chores to handle,, lol.

[offshoredrilling]

Originally Posted by Rockydoc

Wow, Lazr, no idea we were in such exalted company

errrr please do not put him a pedestal. He is just one of us that volunteered for two demotions. One mod, then lower to admin. errr don't swell his head .

[Rockydoc]

Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

errrr please do not put him a pedestal. He is just one of us that volunteered for two demotions. One mod the lower to admin. errr don't swell his head .

Sorry, guess that is the providers job!

[offshoredrilling]

and as for Lea mmmm same. but you can flirt with her.

In Upset we have 3 male mods, should be 4, and a female mod. I have had drinks with her at M&G's, nothing more. She still has to have clients also ya know. I'm waitin till I piss her off on the board. Then see her LOL

[Lea Madisson]

Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

mmmmmm I could go for that. But would still add fear in that if mod dos not learn from his/her mistakes serving the community, and is acting as the community is there to serve him/her. The community well go after them to end it.

mmmmm... I could go for that! LOL... If a Mod is not going to learn from his/her mistakes, then he has reason to fear... not fear for the sake of his position... but fear due to the fact he knows he is not doing the right thing!

Originally Posted by Lazrback

There are really only 4 active Administrators on eccie,, St. Christopher, JohnnyBax, SurfnDick, and myself. Which does put Ar. in a special category as I am both a mod and admin. But in this sort of situation I would suggest going to the top of the chain and as Lea suggested pm her or St. Christopher directly.

As it was early this morning by the time I posted here allow me to respond to a secondary subject on this thread, Drama, I myself categorize this reaction into two different area's. Drama for the sake of drama, and drama as a collateral reaction to a response. The first is usually less productive than the second and detrimental for the most part, while the second can, when directed towards a greater end, reveal as Dh suggested "some pearls of wisdom".

This is why I have enjoyed getting to know Lazr so much. I think he is one of the most level headed and experienced Mods we have and I have come to really appreciate what he has to say. I have definitely added him to my short list of people to go when I actually have a question I can't answer myself.

I think I am a pretty good Mod for two reasons.. I try to listen and I try to remain calm with a goal of being a settling influence when needed. I became a Mod for one reason... fame and fortune. Okay.. that's two reasons and I haven't realized either one.

Actually, I become a mod because I thought I could help or serve the community (particularly the provider community) with my experience as a provider. I wanted to help others the same way that the female mod (who's place I took) helped me!

Okay.. .that was rather self serving so on to Lazr's secondary subject comment. I agree with him wholeheartedly. Drama as a collateral reaction to a response is the free flowing exchange of information that Deartard was speaking about. Drama for the sake of drame is just counterproductive. Those involved in that kind of drama are not helping the community at all. They are merely putting themselves in a bad light and creating an atmosphere that others do not enjoy being in. Sometimes it starts to appear that drama is the only thing happening in the particular community. Actually, when you lookat all the threads, it is not true.

What is amazing to me is that most don't even see what they are doing as counter productive. Watch a "drama" thread. 4 to 7 to 10 people at the most are posting. But that community may have a 1000 members. So, the 1000 members get a good idea of who to see and not see.

In another state that I am involved in and tour to a good bit, I cannot tell you how many times I have seen a ECCIE guy who talks about how he would like to see so-and-so, but won't because see them because they are such drama queens on the board. So, it is funny to me that some of the providers and hobbyists just don't see that they have limited their opportunities due to their actions. Of course, they can't really see the whole forest because of the trees they have surrounded themselves with... and think they are lovely trees and are satisfied with their little grove.

I want the whole forest!! LOL Because of that, I advertise and try to make sure every post (as a provider) is positive or funny or has some value.

My advice has always been to those on the outside of the drama queens and kings... don't read it! And if someone comes into to a legitimate thread that you started or a post you have made and starts a lot of crap, report it!


Oops... did the wordy Lea thing again....


Smooch!

Lea

[Lea Madisson]

Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

and as for Lea mmmm same. but you can flirt with her.

In Upset we have 3 male mods, should be 4, and a female mod. I have had drinks with her at M&G's, nothing more. She still has to have clients also ya know. I'm waitin till I piss her off on the board. Then see her LOL

Flirt with me anytime!! I need to get back up that way this spring! Too cold now!

Smooch!

Lea