But wait 2020 isn't done with us yet!!!

[rexdutchman]

The DPST really believe ANY speech other then what they say is hate , phobic racist .

[Equipeeler55]

Originally Posted by TinMan

You and me both. After that debacle Tuesday night, I’ve about decided if I’m still feeling the way I do right now I’m going to leave the top spot blank on my ballot, and just cast my vote on all the down-ballot candidates.

It is beyond me that people make their mind up on personalities. The basic premise of this election is staying the course we were on up until the pandemic or move far to the left. Do you believe that the wildfires in California are due to Global warming? If so, why aren't the other countries of the world burning like with the frequency of the west coast of the USA?

Did you believe Biden the other night when he said he did not agree with the New Green Deal then started giving details of what he would do directly from the proposal. He said he had a 2T plan that would pay for itself. He plans to put people to work implementing NGD proposals like retrofitting 4M office buildings, etc... He said it would pay for itself. First, the government would have to borrow the money, they would be directing the contract work and paying the contracts. Its just big government becoming giant government with more control over citizens while politicians rake in tons of cash directing local projects even more than they do now.. Do you not think that would extend to control the size of your house, how many KW you can use, etc. ? I'm sorry but voting left right now just allows so much more intrusion and control over the citizens.

[Chung Tran]

The people who complain the Government is too big, are really saying ''I want to pay less taxes''.

But almost all big things emanated from, or were heavily supported by Government (money). Social Security, The Federal Highway system, Medicare. When the private sector is unable to solve problems, it sends Lobbyists to Congress, to help reach solutions.

Biden wants a big jobs bill, focusing on infrastructure. Trump was touting that a few months ago, then got quiet. I guess someone whispered in his ear that it was ''big government''?

[billw1032]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

Biden wants a big jobs bill, focusing on infrastructure. Trump was touting that a few months ago, then got quiet. I guess someone whispered in his ear that it was ''big government''?

Wasn't Obama's $850 billion stimulus plan supposed to be for "shovel-ready jobs"? I recall hearing him say later, "the jobs weren't as shovel-ready as we thought."

Before the pandemic hit I traveled quite a lot around China. These days that country has first-class infrastructure. They also have debt that is around 250% of GDP. And they have an abundance of people willing to work cheap. No labor union wage scale there, and no $15/hour for unskilled workers. How much infrastructure do we really think we can buy for a budget we can afford?

[Chung Tran]

Originally Posted by billw1032

How much infrastructure do we really think we can buy for a budget we can afford?

How do you decide what we can afford? We have a 20+ trillion dollar deficit. So what? Create more money, and spend it on infrastructure, more jobs, more money to spend on other goods and services, more taxes collected. That's how large economies work and succeed, in China and America.

[TexTushHog]

Originally Posted by Grace Preston

There are a LOT of folk who don't know shit about the elections or who or what they are voting for-- they just vote straight ticket.


Hell, Republicans in New Hampshire voted in the primaries for a candidate who was an atheist trans whose motto was "Fuck the Police". They were running for Sheriff. But nobody cared about that.. because they had an R by their name on the ballot.


Out of the pool of voters-- maybe 20%-- 25% at best, are actually well versed in what they're voting for. And almost none of them are straight ticket voters.

Winston Churchill: “The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with an ordinary voter.”

[TinMan]

I looked past “personalities” the last election, but when the guy has been in office nearly 4 years and still can’t say without equivocation in a nationally televised debate that he denounces white supremacists, I don’t think he deserves my vote. The other guy hasn’t earned it, either, which is why I may just skip that part of the ballot and pray the Republicans can hold the Senate.

[Equipeeler55]

I’m still wondering why a group that supposedly stands for white supremacy has a black guy as their leader.

[futbolhead]

Originally Posted by Equipeeler55

I’m still wondering why a group that supposedly stands for white supremacy has a black guy as their leader.

Even though they are portrayed as being white supremacist, they are less that and more violent, ultra conservative and nationalistic. The real question to ask is why do they matter?

The only reason that they matter is that Trump doesn’t want to leave office whether he wins or loses the election because he exposes himself to the real world. But, if he loses, SDNY is sitting there with serious charges once Trump is out of office and they have had 4yrs to prepare the evidence. Biden won’t pardon him. Trump, through Fox News and OANN has spent the last 4yrs prepping the base to believe that he has been railroaded by the left when the charges hit. So, it’s important to him to assemble groups like this, who are willing to die or go to prison for the guy. The hope being that, like Nixon then Bush/Gore, the leaders at the time make another ‘for the good of the country’ decision and go easy on him.

[Chung Tran]

2020 isn't finished. The Trumps have COVID19, and the stock market is in freefall at this moment.

Just like the phrase ''where were you on 9-11''?, a generation from now, we are going to be recounting that Bitch 2020 to those who didn't live through it.

[dallasfan]

This guy. Lol. Does it really surprise anyone.

All you can do is laugh.

He picked it up from his publicly paid sugar baby Hope hicks. Don’t him though. I would bang her too. She hot.

[Equipeeler55]

Originally Posted by futbolhead

Even though they are portrayed as being white supremacist, they are less that and more violent, ultra conservative and nationalistic. The real question to ask is why do they matter?

The only reason that they matter is that Trump doesn’t want to leave office whether he wins or loses the election because he exposes himself to the real world. But, if he loses, SDNY is sitting there with serious charges once Trump is out of office and they have had 4yrs to prepare the evidence. Biden won’t pardon him. Trump, through Fox News and OANN has spent the last 4yrs prepping the base to believe that he has been railroaded by the left when the charges hit. So, it’s important to him to assemble groups like this, who are willing to die or go to prison for the guy. The hope being that, like Nixon then Bush/Gore, the leaders at the time make another ‘for the good of the country’ decision and go easy on him.

My statement was made in jest, of course I have looked into the group mentioned previously. As for Trump not wanting to leave office, which incumbent candidate “Wants” to leave office. Please point to the FACT that leads everyone to believe that Trump will not leave office if he loses. All I have ever heard is a guy who has only been asked, what are you going to do when you lose. No candidate democrat, Republican, or independent should say irregardless of all circumstances, I will accept what is determined. That’s like saying anyone who goes to court should never be allowed to appeal a case that went against them. There are already a number of irregularities occurring with mailed ballots and if an election is razor thin, I would expect either candidate to raise questions to verify credibility. States voting roles are managed by government employees are run by the same type of employees that run the DMV. On average, over 8k people die every day, it only takes 120 days for there to be 1M dead to be on voting rolls if not removed. Just yesterday there was an instance of a woman who died in 2006 getting a ballot. Think about that, 14 years, and still receives a ballot. There is a large number of people who die with an address listed as a nursing home and these people are not proactively taken off of the voting rolls, sometimes for many years. That is a large number of ballots going to facilities where people can sequester them and vote as they please. Yes, things like this happen, and often and you must understand that ballots are easy to sell. I come from the corrupt state of Louisiana, I know what I speak of.

As for SDNY, if Trump is guilty of something in particular and becomes a citizen he is subject to the law. You must forgive my skepticism after the last 285,349 bombshells about Trump breaking the law have all been proven to be made up. It amazes me that nothing has been able to be pinned on Trump with the massive effort that has occurred. We would all be found guilty of something if the anti trump groups were evaluating every aspect of our lives.
News outlets saying Trump was railroaded? So you feel the left and left leaning officials in FBI and CIA have not attempted to drive the president from office with factual arguments? Like the same factual arguments from Blassey Ford against Kavanaugh. The first 5 minutes of the hearing she made statements that disqualified her arguement. She first refused to fly in for the hearing because of her extreme fear of flying. In the first series of questions she was asked about places she visited and she said her favorite was Tahiti and that she flew there. Sorry but kind of killed her credibility immediately. The rest of her testimony was a complete clusterfuck. Irregardless, if you like or dislike Trump, if anyone feels what happened to Kavanaugh was fair, I wonder how they would feel if it happened to them.

[oeb11]

Originally Posted by futbolhead

Even though they are portrayed as being white supremacist, they are less that and more violent, ultra conservative and nationalistic. The real question to ask is why do they matter?

The only reason that they matter is that Trump doesn’t want to leave office whether he wins or loses the election because he exposes himself to the real world. But, if he loses, SDNY is sitting there with serious charges once Trump is out of office and they have had 4yrs to prepare the evidence. Biden won’t pardon him. Trump, through Fox News and OANN has spent the last 4yrs prepping the base to believe that he has been railroaded by the left when the charges hit. So, it’s important to him to assemble groups like this, who are willing to die or go to prison for the guy. The hope being that, like Nixon then Bush/Gore, the leaders at the time make another ‘for the good of the country’ decision and go easy on him.

Perhaps LSM -propaganda head - parroting teh LSM BS - Nowhee has Trump threatened not to leave office if not re-elected - unlike H... and the DPST's - He and Republicans believe in following the Rule O Law - and FBH - is spouting nonsense - from watching nothing but DPST XiNN propaganda and Lies.

If Cyrus Vance ha anything - we will see. This is just more propaganda designed to instill doubt in foolish peole who don't like Trump's personality.

and - it places the DPST corrupted legal system sqaurely in the ring on the side of the DPST's - who will do anything - no matter how low - to gain and keep Power over America.



Remember - DPST- it was H... and other DPST's who urged Biden to never concede- regardless - and H.. still is pissed she lost - this from the most untrustworthy criminal nasty female politician in America.

Vote biden - DPST's - you will regret your choice. harris is a radical marxist - enjoy you eternal 1984! Doublespeak mens DPST leaders always accuse Trump and Republicans of exactly what they plan to do themselves.

Foolish sheeples acolytes of marxist, racist DPST 's.

[rexdutchman]

I'm afraid the progressives ( dim-wit s ) ^^^ will not concede and Plan B is riots

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

The people who complain the Government is too big, are really saying ''I want to pay less taxes''.

No. I don't bitch about my taxes.... they are what they are. Less is always better but there is a point of diminishing returns in both directions. I dislike BIG govt. because centralized decision making is rarely efficient let alone right. The experts are probably 75% wrong most of the time and the cure always ends up being worse than the disease. And the only solution is more money. When was the last time a govt. agency completed it's mission and folded shop? That's right. NEVER.

We put BIG govt. in charge of education in the 70's. Do you think kids are better educated today than in 1975? No.

We put BIG govt. in charge of energy. Do you see us independent from fossil fuels ie. safe nuke plants all across the US? No.

And the other problem is it makes EVERY election a death match. Who the fuck wants that? I want the govt. out of my life, my bedroom, my medicine cabinet, my toilet, my refrigerator, the list goes on and on.

Shit we all probably commit 3-4 crimes a day in the daily course of life since there are so MANY f*cking laws.

Eventually this only ends in one of two ways... US Citizens becomes SUBJECTS of the government or we revolt and kill a shit load of collectivists. I'm going to opt for the latter... as will many others.. it just hasn't reached the point that I need to give up on the ballot box and resort to the ammo box. Conservative speech is already being driven out of the public sphere and the soap box. We're in that awkward stage where it's too soon to shoot the politicians and too late too vote our way out of this.

I don't think liberals have thought through their actions... but of course if liberals were capable of thought they wouldn't be liberals.

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

But almost all big things emanated from, or were heavily supported by Government (money). Social Security, The Federal Highway system, Medicare. When the private sector is unable to solve problems, it sends Lobbyists to Congress, to help reach solutions.

Of the items you listed only one has tangible benefits... the other two are insolvent and were simply vote purchasing tools. They have expanded 10000x their original scope and broke ALL the promises that were made to pass those pieces of legislation.

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

Biden wants a big jobs bill, focusing on infrastructure. Trump was touting that a few months ago, then got quiet. I guess someone whispered in his ear that it was ''big government''?

Is that shovel ready shit... where we give away large sums of money to leftist political organizations and don't build a single f*cking thing? Yeah of course he wants to do that..it's the obama giveaway 2.0.

Again, if we could ACTUALLY trust our govt. (which we can't) that might be one thing, but we're 20 Trillion dollars in debt (as you've written elsewhere). It's not sustainable. We will have to write down the debt... probably while exchanging missiles with the Chi-Comms. It's just a fact. Big govt. is good at War.. but not much else.. we can't even do the peace part very well... but that's because we use the wrong tools.