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[siberia]

Originally Posted by Arverni

Yes, they call me "The White Knight" ... so I just embrace it because ... conformity is just not for me!!

You are exactly right though ... everytime someone uses a term like "White Knight" or "Captain Save-A-Ho" - they are attempting to shut down logical debate ... and they have already LOST the debate when they resort to that kind of name calling.

It's called argumentum ad hominem - or responding to argument by attacking a person's character.

It is the refuge of the weak ... and feeble minded.

REFUGE OF THE WEAK, ahhhh the beautiful sound of truth.

[Outdoorsman]

We all profile or generalize and the FBI has gotten really good at it, from scientific studies of human behavior. In fact assuming I am ending a relationship or wondering what went wrong, is profiling and generalizing. One can see from my words and relate to how others or themselves have acted in that situation. In fact the generalization on me is only partially correct as all studies are only partially correct.

The study said a large portion of men about 80% wanted to be liked as well as get their cock sucked. When the OP starts a thread like this I can see where the study could be correct for him. He wants to feel liked and appreciated and if he gets a cheaper deal it strokes his ego. I don't know for fact, just saying from his words it is how I see it. Each person has to decide for themselves whether they are in 80% or 20%. I not putting my experiences on anyone, I am saying after reading the study, I fell into the 80% and most men do. I was not aware of the psychology at the time I was hobbying. But looking back, to me it makes sense and I fit into the 80%. Just me though. You do whatever you want for your own reasons, I could care less.

This study was considered a better one because of 700 men were utilized, larger study group than most studies. A large number of prostitutes were utilized as well. And an overwhelming number of women had to detach themselves emotionally from their work, a large number if women made up different personalities a work person and another. Over time this is considered psychologically damaging to any human being. Are we wired differently, absolutely, some women handle the damage better than others, some are less damaged than others. Same thing in rape situations but at a much more severe level for the women.

White knight to me is a man that does something for a provider on here even he feels he should not. He is going against his better judgment in an attempt to be liked. I am not pointing anyone out. Just saying we have seen it before.

It is a hooker board and I agree why should we care what others think, I don't not here anyway. Just the study was enlightening to me and seemed to fit OP and maybe it could be enlightening to someone else, hell according to the study 80% of us, lol.

Anyone ever notice how when a person complains, he or she gets attacked, lol. I am not attacking either. Just stating my position, hell I admitted I was an 80%er, lol.

Everyone have a great day, I know I will!

[siberia]

The part about,him attempting
to be liked is another debate
thread.
I don't give a damn on a stranger
liking me because my
services are the main
factor in the provider-
Hobby relationship.
At the end of the day,
you have to be happy
with yourself.
A guy can care about a
person without ridicule
and so can a woman.
A pussy does nothing and men
point that out if it's a personal
affair. The moment he has a stance for a provider, its contradicted.
Let a man talk down to your
mother & see if you call out
"White knight".
Women should be respected
regardless of their profession.

You are a patron that I brag
about and will defend but
the guy can't.

[manofthebayou]

Getting back to the negotiation thing.

I don't ask for discounts. Never have. Never will. The rate is the rate.

But having said that: Providers should make sure their advertised rate is the same on all methods of contact.

Here's what I mean.

I almost always get my providers from ECCIE. I use the showcase.

Back in November I was out of state and booked a provider at the rate of XXX. When I contacted her I said "I assume your rate of XXX" as advertised on ECCIE is correct.

She got back in touch and said no her rate was XXX+50, as per her website. She offered to split the difference and I accepted.

If I had not asked the question, she would have checked the envelope and felt I ripped her off.

So ladies, I'll not haggle with you over rates. You set the rate....I pay it.

But make sure we both know what the rate is by having your rates be constant. If you say you're running a special that's $50 cheaper than usual here on ECCIE, I'm going to expect to pay $50 less than usual.

It's only fair you make sure you're information is correct.

Happy New Year to all of you.

[Arverni]

Originally Posted by Outdoorsman

In fact assuming I am ending a relationship or wondering what went wrong, is profiling and generalizing.

Not true ... you yourself mentioned in a post in this very thread that you fell in love with an escort. Also - you've been around the forum awhile - and some of your associations are well known. No generalizing at all.

EDIT: I'm not attacking you - just trying to figure out why someone of your intelligence would break the hobby universe down in the two dimensional way that you did. Nothing in the arena of human relations is two dimensional. No study can conclude that "Well, we've figured it out ... women are damaged by sex with men they aren't attracted to - and that's why prostitutes charge money and ... well, all the men paying them simply want to feel loved."

You can look at the reviews of some of the guys - they go through girls like a lawnmower. If they wanted to be loved then why do they jump from one to another so quickly? A famous retired hooker ... Maggie McNeil has stated that some escorts ... many escorts get an "ego-boost" from the profession. That kind of showers a bit of rain on that study that said it's damaging to women doesn't it? Though ... no doubt ... for SOME women it might just be. However, the whole "damage" concept seems to me to tie in too closely with the myth of the "magical dick" ... in that ... a man's penis is so powerful that it can RUIN a woman if it's the wrong guys dick in the wrong circumstances. This is one of the things that has made rape so damaging - many people even believe it's a fate WORSE than death - it is not. Society created this myth and sustains it - and this study you have seems to reinforce it - but I reject that.

I wouldn't even attempt to try to describe all the motivations and "nuances" behind why people are here ... doing this.

So I kind of laugh at studies that try ... particularly ones that come back reporting a two-dimensional breakdown of the men and women in this industry.

[Outdoorsman]

I respect your opinion Averni just disagree, no big deal though. I never mentioned my relationship was over, never mentioned wondering. You are assuming it is over and generalizing,imho. Never mentioned a lot about my personal life. Someone had to assume it. Just because I fell in love with a provider does not mean it is over, nor does it mean I am wondering, nor does it mean anything except I fell in love with a provider.

Have a great.one!

[Outdoorsman]

Oops only saw your first paragraph for some reason. No one is saying anything about two dimensions, no one is saying anything about ALL men in fact they are saying the opposite, 80% of men. Nor are they saying ALL women, just all women they worked with. We can sugar coat and deny it, as most humans want to do. But women working in this industry can have unique problems emotionally and psychologically as to ones that don't. Btw I don't feel attacked at all, just noticed people attacking OP thought it was kind of funny, seems to be a trend though.

[Nicolet]

The OP clearly stated that he was given information from the ladies only area and was given a vacation. The ladies only and the men's only areas are supposed to be kept private. Otherwise, why bother having those areas.

[giantbourbon]

Like all generalizations, this study paints with a very broad brush and tends to compartmentalize complicated human relationships is a simplistic manner. But like most generalizations, there is a germ of truth in it. I know for myself, when I see a provider, I look for a connection that goes beyond the physical act itself. The smarter providers have figured out that when they make a connection on an emotional level, and make me feel liked and wanted, I’ll be calling them again and again. Sure, they’re in it for the money, but if they’re good at least pretending that there’s a connection for them, too, it helps keep their datebook full.

Ladies, I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts on this.

[Nicolet]

I would like to respond, GB. And it may tie in a few other things discussed here.
Personally, I have never NOT felt a connection of some kind. Sometimes its a loose connection, meaning that was a simply fun and playful kind of connection. And there are more than a few where there was a heated and passionate connection. On the other side, there have been some deeper connections which I didn't act upon because, well, I know better.
With those very close connections, it can be difficult to separate the mind from the body. The intimate nature of this business can sometimes lead to intense feelings.
Having that quality of being open enough to HAVE a connection often brings people back.
Which brings me to another thought that manofthebayou brought up.
My gift requests are the same wherever I have them posted. My reviews may look confusing to some because the differences of the gift given. It is because we have met several times over the years, or was during the holidays.
Most ladies don't want to be asked for, or be told to give a discount. If she is open to negotiation, she should be the one to initiate the discussion.

[Harley Diablo]

Wow what a fun time I have had reading this thread. The only comment I can make is that it is sad that we cannot keep private conversations private as someone always gets offended. Price should never be the issue as no two providers are ever the same. If you see someone you may like on here and think it is too high for you, move on. If you wait and watch, a provider will come along that will match what you want. We all hobby for different reasons and we all can only pay a certain amount but on this site, you can find what you want if you research and look long enough.
Asking a provider to cut her fee to suit your budget is not the answer. How would you feel if she told you that based on your age and weight you would have to ad $100 to her fee for her to see you.
Don't get any ideas ladies, No I am not paying more.
We all have our likes and dislikes but it is a hobby and if you are not having fun, get out.

Last but not least, got to go with my girl Zoey. Only met this fine lady one time So Far, but I would say she is the best bang for the buck I have found in the hobby and have been at it for a while.
If you take care of business, have a business plan, and give great customer service, price is never and issue.

[DallasRain]

Originally Posted by Harley Diablo

Wow what a fun time I have had reading this thread. The only comment I can make is that it is sad that we cannot keep private conversations private as someone always gets offended. Price should never be the issue as no two providers are ever the same. If you see someone you may like on here and think it is too high for you, move on. If you wait and watch, a provider will come along that will match what you want. We all hobby for different reasons and we all can only pay a certain amount but on this site, you can find what you want if you research and look long enough.
Asking a provider to cut her fee to suit your budget is not the answer. How would you feel if she told you that based on your age and weight you would have to ad $100 to her fee for her to see you.
Don't get any ideas ladies, No I am not paying more.
We all have our likes and dislikes but it is a hobby and if you are not having fun, get out.

Last but not least, got to go with my girl Zoey. Only met this fine lady one time So Far, but I would say she is the best bang for the buck I have found in the hobby and have been at it for a while.
If you take care of business, have a business plan, and give great customer service, price is never and issue.

awesome point of view!!! and ditto!!


I think I am one of the lowest priced providers for what all I offer...which is a WIDE open menu....especially in my age and body type range! People tell me I could get more,but I charge what I feel comfortable with...and i make quite a nice living like it is! Why be greedy when you also enjoy what you do??
{I mean,how many 50'ish ladies can do what I do/still look good for my age/and also have mad skills like I do......LOL....I have seen what most of my former school classmates look like now and act like in their personal lifes,and I am damn proud to be Dallas Rain}

quote..How would you feel if she told you that based on your age and weight you would have to ad $100 to her fee for her to see you.

I knew a provider in Phoenix who charged guys extra if they were overweight!

[Goodwood]

This thread is so far off of the original post that it needs to be closed. It was about the sharing of privileged information from the "Powder Room" to the "Men's Lounge" and "Haggling" all "TABOO" Just my opinion. OK... so here we go again...Instead of providing one another with equal information, it has turned into... Averni vs. Outdoorsman... Who really cares about either of your intelligence or survey...The two of you need to go out back and "Exchange Blows To The Head" and as for the politically correct... "Gist Lake Thi Eggnore Pheetoore... I em Huuked on Fonicks
I believe Banishment is forthcoming, and that right soon... We are supposed to have fun here !!!

[Harley Diablo]

Well banish me right soon then.

[Lea Madisson]

Okay, I do not think anyone is getting banned! Yes, this thread is a bit off topic from the original OP, but it has been related or at least has a common thread. Outdoorsman and Arverni have had a spirited discussion, both with good points. I think there are some gems in this thread (along with some coal) that are useful to think about.

So, let's keep it going while respecting each other and the freedom to disagree...

Smooch!

Lea