Stephanè Hessel on Occupy Wallstreet "Find the time for outrage"

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by WTF

Look, we can argue if one is better than the other but if you just go making shit up, it will make it difficult to have a rational discussion.



http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitler.htm

Many conservatives accuse Hitler of being a leftist, on the grounds that his party was named "National Socialist." But socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production. In Nazi Germany, private capitalist individuals owned the means of production, and they in turn were frequently controlled by the Nazi party and state. True socialism does not advocate such economic dictatorship -- it can only be democratic. Hitler's other political beliefs place him almost always on the far right. He advocated racism over racial tolerance, eugenics over freedom of reproduction, merit over equality, competition over cooperation, power politics and militarism over pacifism, dictatorship over democracy, capitalism over Marxism, realism over idealism, nationalism over internationalism, exclusiveness over inclusiveness, common sense over theory or science, pragmatism over principle, and even held friendly relations with the Church, even though he was an atheist.

I'm not making anything up. I don't need to. Read "Liberal Fascism". Hitler was no more a conservative than I'm a liberal.

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Another repost from a D & T thread:

Mao’s governmental policies led to famine that killed millions of Chinese. I was betting that if Mao didn’t have this dubious distinction, he would be a close second to Hitler. However, based on what I found, Mao is, in fact, the winner in this infamous contest and the Communist regime in the USSR holds second place. So, Whirlaway is right—but these contenders had the added benefit of time. Hitler was only in power for a little over twelve years. .

These estimates are based on studies published by Rudolph J. Rummel. I used his numbers—neither the highest or the lowest— because of the way he broke down the events, but after I had copied the tables, I read the bibliography where he is noted as a right wing libertarian.

Russian Civil War (1917-22): 9,000,000

Soviet Union: 61,911,000 democides in the USSR 1917-87, of which 51,755,000 occurred during the Stalin years. This divides up into:
■Russian Civil War (1917-22)
■War: 1,410,000 (includes 500,000 civilian)
■Famine: 5,000,000 (50% democidal)
■Other democide: 784,000
■Epidemics: 2,300,000
■Total: 9,494,000
■1923-29: 2,200,000 (plus 1M non-democidal famine deaths)
■1929-39: 15,785,000 (plus 2M non-democidal famine)
■1939-45: 18,157,000
■1946-54: 15,613,000 (plus 333,000 non-democidal famine)
■TOTAL: 51,755,000 democides and 3,333,000 non-demo. famine

WWII European War (military) Dead (1939-45): 28,736,000
■War-related (additional) Democides
■Hitler: 20,946,000 (including Jews: 5,291,000)
■Stalin: 13,053,000

Chinese Civil War (1945-49) Estimate:
■War Dead: 1,201,000
■Democide by Guomindang: 2,645,000
■Democide by Communists: 2,323,000
■Famine: 25,000
■TOTAL: 6,194,000

People’s Republic of China, Mao Zedong’s regime (1949-1975) Estimate:
■Democide: 34,361,000 (1949-75)
■The principle episodes being…
■All movements (1949-58): 11,813,000
■incl. Land Reform (1949-53): 4,500,000
■Cult. Rev. (1964-75): 1,613,000
■Forced Labor (1949-75): 15,000,000
■Great Leap Forward (1959-63): 5,680,000 democides
■War: 3,399,000
■Famine: 34,500,000
■Great Leap Forward: 27M famine deaths
■TOTAL: 72,260,000

Under Pol Pot, the Khmer Rouge imposed an extreme form of social engineering on Cambodian society — a radical form of agrarian communism where the whole population had to work in collective farms or forced labor projects. In terms of the number of people killed as a proportion of the population (2 million killed out of an estimated 7.1 million people), it was the most lethal regime of the 20th century. (Plus an estimated, additional 35,000 foreign democides)

•Estimates based on books by Rummel, Rudolph J.:
■China's Bloody Century : Genocide and Mass Murder Since 1900 (1991), Calculates the lives lost in 20th Century China.
■Lethal Politics : Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder Since 1917 (1990), Does the same for the Soviet Union.
■Democide : Nazi Genocide and Mass Murder (1992), The German rampage across Europe.
■Death By Government (1994), The full treatment for atrocities committed worldwide during the 20th Century.

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat2.htm


http://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p=849122&postcoun t=164

Bill Ayers, close friend of Obama's, advocated the killing of approximately twenty five million Americans that he anticipated would not go along with the coming revolution.

http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/06/...0%99s-pol-pot/

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

Bill Ayers, close friend of Obama's, advocated the killing of approximately twenty five million Americans that he anticipated would not go along with the coming revolution.

http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/06/...0%99s-pol-pot/

Another mystery of the universe: Obama gets a pass from the MSM for his association with a terrorist murderer, while they ride Bachmann for quoting the Bible? How?

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Another mystery of the universe: Obama gets a pass from the MSM for his association with a terrorist murderer, while they ride Bachmann for quoting the Bible? How?

You left out "unrepentant" terrorist murderer. He told the New York Times he didn't regret anything he did. He only wished he had done more.

A side by side comparison of writing styles shows that it's very likely that Ayers actually wrote "Dreams From my Father" not Obama. Apparently, the style of writing from Ayer's book "Fugitive Days" is very similar to "Dreams From my Father"

Obama's second book "The Audacity of Hope" was totally different in style and quality than the first.

It's like John Kennedy putting his name on "Profiles in Courage" when the book was almost certainly written by his speech writer, Theodore Sorenson.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...rew-c-mccarthy

[WTF]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

You left out "unrepentant" terrorist murderer. He told the New York Times he didn't regret anything he did. He only wished he had done more.

A side by side comparison of writing styles shows that it's very likely that Ayers actually wrote "Dreams From my Father" not Obama. Apparently, the style of writing from Ayer's book "Fugitive Days" is very similar to "Dreams From my Father"

Obama's second book "The Audacity of Hope" was totally different in style and quality than the first.

It's like John Kennedy putting his name on "Profiles in Courage" when the book was almost certainly written by his speech writer, Theodore Sorenson.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...rew-c-mccarthy

Damn liberals.....spouting off how smart they are and then having to have somebody write their books for'em. Almost as bad as those conservatives have to have somebody read the damn books for'em!



One Tin Soldier rides away......


Was Jesus a liberal or a Conservative?

Just ask'n, don't be shooting me for ask'n a simple question!

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WTF

Was Jesus a liberal or a Conservative?

Just ask'n, don't be shooting me for ask'n a simple question!

"Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's" Matthew 22:21. He was possibly a pragmatist, but certainly not a libertarian.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

"Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's" Matthew 22:21. He was possibly a pragmatist, but certainly not a libertarian.

Damn! I'll go shave my beard and take off this ridiculous robe

[CuteOldGuy]

I really don't think liberals or conservatives can claim Jesus. He was not into party politics.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

I really don't think liberals or conservatives can claim Jesus. He was not into party politics.

WTF are you talking about????...he was the originator of class warfare!

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WTF

WTF are you talking about????...he was the originator of class warfare!

Wrong once again. It was the brothers Gracchi: Tiberius and Gaius.

Spartacus also predated Jesus.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by WTF

WTF are you talking about????...he was the originator of class warfare!

no he wasn't. you may be confusing class warfare with Jesus's issue with the money changers whom we refer today as loan sharks or bankers.

He was all about teaching people to love their neighbors and be a good citizen to the state.

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

no he wasn't. you may be confusing class warfare with Jesus's issue with the money changers whom we refer today as loan sharks or bankers.

He was all about teaching people to love their neighbors and be a good citizen to the state.

Jesus was angry with the money changers because they were doing business in the temple. It was a desecration of the temple.

It's not clear whether he was angry because of the nature of the business they were doing. He might have been just as angry if they had been selling apples.

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by WTF

WTF are you talking about????...he was the originator of class warfare!

As usual, you are completely wrong.

The only emotion comdemned in the ten commandments is coveting (to desire what belongs to another).

Desiring what belongs to another is the heart of class warfare.

[CuteOldGuy]

Ah, WTF. Once again you have ventured into an area where you know nothing. The problem is, we have yet to discover an area where you do know something. Keep trying, the law of averages is with you. Someday, I predict soon, you will actually say something that is accurate, and matters. Don't be discouraged, ignorance can be overcome if you're diligent. Hang in there!

[WTF]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Wrong once again. It was the brothers Gracchi: Tiberius and Gaius.

Spartacus also predated Jesus.

Damnit!....missed it by this much!

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

no he wasn't. you may be confusing class warfare with Jesus's issue with the money changers whom we refer today as loan sharks or bankers.

He was all about teaching people to love their neighbors and be a good citizen to the state.

See above

Originally Posted by joe bloe

Jesus was angry with the money changers because they were doing business in the temple. It was a desecration of the temple.

It's not clear whether he was angry because of the nature of the business they were doing. He might have been just as angry if they had been selling apples.

See above the above post

Originally Posted by joe bloe

As usual, you are completely wrong.

The only emotion comdemned in the ten commandments is coveting (to desire what belongs to another).

Desiring what belongs to another is the heart of class warfare.

So if you fuc one of yhese ladies on here that are married, you are coveting anothers mans wife and sinning? Lordy Lordy, I am learning something new every day on here!

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Ah, WTF. Once again you have ventured into an area where you know nothing. The problem is, we have yet to discover an area where you do know something. Keep trying, the law of averages is with you. Someday, I predict soon, you will actually say something that is accurate, and matters. Don't be discouraged, ignorance can be overcome if you're diligent. Hang in there!

Like you knew Jesus, Jesus Fucking Christ COG you are a tad prentitious!

Look folks, I was just having a little fun with your religion. Settle down. We are on a hooker board!

You guys forget I do not believe in the man in the sky crap. Therefore do not get drawn into a serious discussion with me on the matter, I am doing it for my humor at your expense. I know, not a nice thing to do but I can not help myself at times. You have been warned.

Now I'm off to turn some water into wine, any of you jockers wanna join me?