Still don't believe he's a muslim?

[Cherie]

IMHO, BHO's comments are a direct attack on Christians. Only a demagogic would use such an illogical comparison. It’s similar to your child arguing, “but all my friends do it!”, but I digress, all of his speeches are nothing but “word salads.” You’re not supposed to attempt to figure out what they mean, seriously, what does it mean that “Christians” shouldn’t get on their “high horse”? All of his speeches are geared to a 9th & 10th grade level. those are the “folks” that he talks to. he can’t talk to more mature people as they know he’s lying plus we'll tune him out after about 10 seconds.

This man a disgrace to the Presidency of the United States of America

[JustCause]

Originally Posted by Budman

Sure he did. He excused their actions based on past actions by other religions. He has the glass house attitude. We can't really condemn their actions because we did bad shit too...

Correct. It's a common tactic in Arguing 101: when your current position is exposed, distract your opponent by exposing a past position of his.

The argument is TODAY. History has spoken on the Crusades and Nazi Germany.

[UnderConstruction]

Originally Posted by Cherie

IMHO, BHO's comments are a direct attack on Christians. Only a demagogic would use such an illogical comparison. It’s similar to your child arguing, “but all my friends do it!”, but I digress, all of his speeches are nothing but “word salads.” You’re not supposed to attempt to figure out what they mean, seriously, what does it mean that “Christians” shouldn’t get on their “high horse”? All of his speeches are geared to a 9th & 10th grade level. those are the “folks” that he talks to. he can’t talk to more mature people as they know he’s lying plus we'll tune him out after about 10 seconds.

This man a disgrace to the Presidency of the United States of America

We are bombing ISIS as we speak. Have been since August. Killed over 6k of their fighters. Is that doing nothing? Is that excusing what they've done? Get off fox news and you might learn something.

Did any of you shitsippers stop and think that he wasn't excusing what has been done but pointing out that no religion, or nation for that matter, has the market cornered on being upstanding one hundred percent of the time. Lest you forget, this country was started when we invaded a land that people already inhabited and just took it from them. Of course with manifest destiny, that's OK, right? I mean it was a long time ago and to listen to some of you, shit that happened long ago was just someone else's problem. I'm not sure I've ever seen such a collection of ignorance in one place. You've got it all figured out. Wake the fuck up, you're getting played just like everyone else. Critical thought is lost on you. I also find it hilarious that people are arguing for Christianity on a hooker forum. You guys are a fucking hypocritical riot.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by UnderConstruction

Did any of you shitsippers stop and think that he wasn't excusing what has been done but pointing out that no religion, or nation for that matter, has the market cornered on being upstanding one hundred percent of the time. Lest you forget, this country was started when we invaded a land that people already inhabited and just took it from them. Of course with manifest destiny, that's OK, right? I mean it was a long time ago and to listen to some of you, shit that happened long ago was just someone else's problem. I'm not sure I've ever seen such a collection of ignorance in one place. You've got it all figured out. Wake the fuck up, you're getting played just like everyone else. Critical thought is lost on you guys.

It's obvious to all but you "#Grubered" Odumbo minions that Odumbo mendaciouly took a historical event out of context to excuse the excesses of Muslim crimes in the 21st century. The truth, however, is that any atrocity that Odumbo wishes to attribute to Christians during that period, the Crusades, can be matched, and offset, against one of equal or greater magnitude committed by the Turk. To dredge up only Christian offenses -- while not mentioning equally atrocious offenses committed by Muslims of the same period in order to mitigate heinous acts committed by Muslims in the 21st century -- is purposefully mendacious. Furthermore, contemporaneousness is vitally important. Excusing 21st century criminal activity as being somehow justified by such recounted events from centuries past surpasses deflection; it's a lie. Obviously, intelligent thought is uncommon among Odumbo's #Grubered" minions.

14 Centuries of Jihad Versus 2 Centuries of Crusades.

[UnderConstruction]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

It's obvious to all but you "#Grubered" Odumbo minions that Odumbo mendaciouly took a historical event out of context to excuse the excesses of Muslim crimes in the 21st century. The truth, however, is that any atrocity that Odumbo wishes to attribute to Christians during that period, the Crusades, can be matched, and offset, against one of equal or greater magnitude committed by the Turk. To dredge up only Christian offenses -- while not mentioning equally atrocious offenses committed by Muslims of the same period in order to mitigate heinous acts committed by Muslims in the 21st century -- is purposefully mendacious. Furthermore, contemporaneousness is vitally important. Excusing 21st century criminal activity as being somehow justified by such recounted events from centuries past surpasses deflection; it's a lie. Obviously, intelligent thought is uncommon among Odumbo's #Grubered" minions.

14 Centuries of Jihad Versus 2 Centuries of Crusades.

You using word of the day toilet paper again? Mendacious lol. Just say lie, less letters to type.

When in the whole goddamned speech did he excuse anything they've done? Not mentioning what muslims have done in this century? Did you read or watch the entire thing or just cherry-pick the parts that help you further your bullshit agenda?

Here's a direct quote of part of what he said:

Obama spoke at length about the Islamic State, which he called a "brutal, vicious death cult that in the name of religion" carries out "acts of barbarism."

He didn't mention muslim atrocities? You might want to read it again. He didn't take anything out of context but ironically, that's exactly what you and the rest of your ilk are doing. It's like you've never heard english before. He said religion has been used throughout the ages as an excuse for barbaric acts. Is that a lie? No, it's fucking not. What else you got? And if you're going to bring ammo, don't make it the National Review. Are you kidding? Piece of shit apologist rag.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by UnderConstruction

You using word of the day toilet paper again? Mendacious lol. Just say lie, less letters to type.

When in the whole goddamned speech did he excuse anything they've done? Not mentioning what muslims have done in this century? Did you read or watch the entire thing or just cherry-pick the parts that help you further your bullshit agenda?

Here's a direct quote of part of what he said:

Obama spoke at length about the Islamic State, which he called a "brutal, vicious death cult that in the name of religion" carries out "acts of barbarism."

He didn't mention muslim atrocities? You might want to read it again. He didn't take anything out of context but ironically, that's exactly what you and the rest of your ilk are doing. It's like you've never heard english before. He said religion has been used throughout the ages as an excuse for barbaric acts. Is that a lie? No, it's fucking not. What else you got? And if you're going to bring ammo, don't make it the National Review. Are you kidding? Piece of shit apologist rag.

Hey, jackass, noticed how you never cited where the fuck Odumbo made any reference to the atrocities committed by Muslims before, during and immediately after the Crusades which he mendaciously used to to justify and mitigate 21st century Islamic criminality. Again, any atrocity that Odumbo wishes to attribute to Christians during that period, the Crusades, can be matched, and offset, against one of equal or greater magnitude committed by the Turk, you #Grubered" Odumbo minion.

[UnderConstruction]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Hey, jackass, noticed how you never cited where the fuck Odumbo made any reference to the atrocities committed by Muslims before, during and immediately after the Crusades which he mendaciously used to mitigate 21st century Islamic criminality.

Saying he used it to mitigate it is a blatant lie. It's what you want to hear because it helps you make your case, regardless of whether it's truth or not. We've been bombing them for months, go look it up. As for the atrocities committed by muslims, it's not a fucking scorecard. Jesus, that's a simple way of looking at things. It's almost childlike. No one is denying that people are creating barbaric acts in the name of Islam. NO ONE DENIES THAT. Obama talks about it every fucking week. We've bombed them for six months or more, killed over 6K of their fighters. We are providing air support and refueling to Jordan as they bomb the shit out of them. What the fuck more do you want? Send our young men over there to die? Would that make you happy?

Was the KKK representative of Christianity?
Was the inquisition representative of Christianity?
Is Westboro Baptist Church representative of Christianity?

Why then are you holding an entire religion responsible for the acts of those who would pervert it for their own purposes? The ISIS fighters don't even have korans. Go look at the articles written about the few hostages that have been released. These guys aren't true Islam. But they're different and that's enough reason for you to hate them. U B Hankering for a fucking clue...

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by UnderConstruction

Saying he used it to mitigate it is a blatant lie. It's what you want to hear because it helps you make your case, regardless of whether it's truth or not. We've been bombing them for months, go look it up. As for the atrocities committed by muslims, it's not a fucking scorecard. Jesus, that's a simple way of looking at things. It's almost childlike. No one is denying that people are creating barbaric acts in the name of Islam. NO ONE DENIES THAT. Obama talks about it every fucking week. We've bombed them for six months or more, killed over 6K of their fighters. We are providing air support and refueling to Jordan as they bomb the shit out of them. What the fuck more do you want? Send our young men over there to die? Would that make you happy?

Check again, asshole, it's your fucked-up Odumbo who used the Crusades as a fucking tit-for-tat scorecard.

[UnderConstruction]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Check again, asshole, it's your fucked-up Odumbo who used the Crusades as a fucking tit-for-tat scorecard.

Answer me this; has religion been used, since it's creation, by those who would commit barbaric acts in its name? You don't have any answers for me because you would make my case for me. That's why you keep repeating the same thing over and over. As if that will make it so. Again, very childlike. Better keep the light on and check for monsters under your bed. I'm beginning to sense a pattern of simple behavior that alludes to a lack of... well, let's just leave it at that. In your responses thus far, you've offered nothing in the way of fact or support.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by UnderConstruction

Answer me this; has religion been used, since it's creation, by those who would commit barbaric acts in its name? You don't have any answers for me because you would make my case for me. That's why you keep repeating the same thing over and over. As if that will make it so. Again, very childlike. Better keep the light on and check for monsters under your bed. I'm beginning to sense a pattern of simple behavior that alludes to a lack of... well, let's just leave it at that. In your responses thus far, you've offered nothing in the way of fact or support.

You're the "#Grubered" Odumbo minion who regurgitating -- over and over -- Odumbo's mantra. It isn't Christians who are replicating the atrocities of the Middle Ages in the 21st Century; it's Muslims. It's you and Odumbo who are disingenuously reaching back five or six centuries in your search to find anything equivalent to what Muslims are doing today. You'd better hook up to an EEG in see if you have any electrical activity in your brain.

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by Cherie

IMHO, BHO's comments are a direct attack on Christians. Only a demagogic would use such an illogical comparison. It’s similar to your child arguing, “but all my friends do it!”, but I digress, all of his speeches are nothing but “word salads.” You’re not supposed to attempt to figure out what they mean, seriously, what does it mean that “Christians” shouldn’t get on their “high horse”? All of his speeches are geared to a 9th & 10th grade level. those are the “folks” that he talks to. he can’t talk to more mature people as they know he’s lying plus we'll tune him out after about 10 seconds.

This man a disgrace to the Presidency of the United States of America

Of course you think that. You had your mind made up that you would be seriously upset by something he said so you hunted around until you found away to interpret some part of what he said in a negative way, even though he never said what you claim he said.

I have already said in another post that I thought it was not a good speech, but I also gave a quite different interpretation of the intended message.

So far I have seen no actual DISCUSSION of the message, just a lot of closed brain interpretations by RWWs.

I even provided a few biblical references for those of you who claim to be Christians and asked how you don't see a rather biblical message in the speech.

But I'm guessing you will skip over those parts just like IB has.

[UnderConstruction]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

You're the "#Grubered" Odumbo minion who regurgitating -- over and over -- Odumbo's mantra. It isn't Christians who are replicating the atrocities of the Middle Ages in the 21st Century; it's Muslims. It's you and Odumbo who are disingenuously reaching back five or six centuries in your search to find anything equivalent to what Muslims are doing today.

You're so obvious, you're transparent. No one is saying Christians are committing atrocities. He's simply pointing out, correctly, that Christianity isn't without its own atrocities in the past. It's disingenuous to point out historical fact? Are you ever going to directly answer any of the points I've made? I've poked massive holes in each of your statements. The fact you call him what you do is fucking silly. Are you that butthurt? And you're arguing for religion on a hooker board lol. I'm an agnostic, what's your excuse?

[UnderConstruction]

Originally Posted by Old-T

Of course you think that. You had your mind made up that you would be seriously upset by something he said so you hunted around until you found away to interpret some part of what he said in a negative way, even though he never said what you claim he said.

I have already said in another post that I thought it was not a good speech, but I also gave a quite different interpretation of the intended message.

So far I have seen no actual DISCUSSION of the message, just a lot of closed brain interpretations by RWWs.

I even provided a few biblical references for those of you who claim to be Christians and asked how you don't see a rather biblical message in the speech.

But I'm guessing you will skip over those parts just like IB has.

They don't have a leg to stand on so they keep on with the idiotic back and forth that unfortunately passes for debate nowadays. They hate Obama. It's not socially acceptable to hate him because he's black so they draw on the Muslim card because with the 'war on terror', whatever the fuck that means, it's perfectly acceptable in certain circles to be against muslims. Even though what they're doing has nothing to do with true Islam. Have they ever read the Old Testament? Pretty violent stuff in there but those are just silly facts and when have you know a republican to let a good story get ruined by the damned facts.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by UnderConstruction

You're so obvious, you're transparent. No one is saying Christians are committing atrocities. He's simply pointing out, correctly, that Christianity isn't without its own atrocities in the past. It's disingenuous to point out historical fact? Are you ever going to directly answer any of the points I've made? I've poked massive holes in each of your statements. The fact you call him what you do is fucking silly. Are you that butthurt? And you're arguing for religion on a hooker board lol. I'm an agnostic, what's your excuse?

You're the jackass. We're not discussing "religion" on a SHMB, you silly fucktard. We're repudiating Odumbo's lies with facts.

[UnderConstruction]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

You're the jackass. We're not discussing "religion" on a SHMB, you silly fucktard. We're repudiating Odumbo's lies with facts.

Name one fact you've stated since we started this discussion. I'll clue you in, you can't, because there haven't been any. It's all your opinion. When did he lie? Christianity has had awful atrocities committed in its name. That's not a fucking lie and you know it isn't. I've owned you at every turn. It's like a chess match where the other person is defeated but doesn't know it yet. You're wrong. And what's worse, you know you're wrong.