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Munchmasterman · 12-27-2011, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Ok, let's make this simple. Most of the problems today were started or aggravated by GWB. Obama has not reversed any of them, and has made things worse. Ergo (a little latin for you there, it means "therefore") Bush AND Obama are at fault for the mess we're in. We need someone who will get us out of this mess. That won't happen as long as we keep electing Democrats and Republicans.

Some complex issues can't be simplified to the length of a tweet.

If blame is to be assigned, each item should be isolated from a general statement and it's root causes determined.
When blame is assigned it should be obvious you will hear a rebuttal from the opposing side.

Aside from all this, there is more than enough blame for everybody; both parties and yes, Americans in general. Many of our habits have caused or added fuel to the blame fire for the way things are in general. Since we are all on the same team, regardless of what some may say (and remember there are always some exceptions to any rule), less finger pointing and more dialog on how to fix things would be good.

If you are going to blame someone for something, post a link with some proof. Intellectual laziness causes a lot of problems too.

CuteOldGuy · 12-27-2011, 03:14 PM

You need to pay attention, Munch. I was trying to get people out of the blame game and into the solution game. If you don't know what you're talking about, please keep it to yourself. We waste too much time blaming, and not enough time solving, that was my point.

Munchmasterman · 12-27-2011, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

You need to pay attention, Munch. I was trying to get people out of the blame game and into the solution game. If you don't know what you're talking about, please keep it to yourself. We waste too much time blaming, and not enough time solving, that was my point.

I did. You do too.

I clearly stated that there should be less finger pointing and more working together.

I also stated that complex problems are complex and can't be summed up in a 140 character statement (Most of the problems today were started or aggravated by GWB. Obama has not reversed any of them, and has made things worse. Is 124 characters). You said let's make it simple, simple by agreeing Obama has reversed nothing in his term and has made things worse.
Wait, didn't you just say you were trying to get away from the blame game? Oh, I get it. We'll stop after we agree Obama has reversed nothing and made things worse.

I also stated in the event of blame being cast, because some always will, the person casting should show some proof up front. If you make a claim, especially a negative one, why would you not offer proof at the time? In debate you make a statement and then show facts or information that backs it up. It's easy to do. And that if you say something like he has reversed nothing and made things worse, maybe expect to be asked to show proof.

WTF · 12-27-2011, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

Wait, didn't you just say you were trying to get away from the blame game? Oh, I get it. We'll stop after we agree Obama has reversed nothing and made things worse.

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Munch, didn't you get the memo?

Agree with everything they say or suggest.

They call that Compromise in Conservative circles now a days

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CuteOldGuy · 12-27-2011, 10:10 PM

Jesus. You two, together. This has degenerated. Munch, you intentionally misinterpreted what I said to make some points. You didn't. Next!

Munchmasterman · 12-28-2011, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Jesus. You two, together. This has degenerated. Munch, you intentionally misinterpreted what I said to make some points. You didn't. Next!

Again, I thought you were through with the blaming. If you were truthful about the steps we should take to fix things without blaming, you would have explained how I had misinterpreted what you said.

Of course you didn't and you won't.

Just make your claim (based on what again?) and pretend it's all good. You won't remember this anyway.
I pointed out how you ignored what I said and you wanted to stop blaming after we agreed on your position. You told me to be quiet if I didn't understand what was going on. This all after calling me out over continuing to blame, in a post with no blame in it.
You ignored the statement that you should expect rebuttal when you place blame.
And when you got it (the rebuttal), suddenly I'm intentionally misinterpreting what you said. Even though I posted your words verbatim numerous times, I somehow intentionally misinterpreted your words. Explain yourself or crawl away. I'll know where you went by the trail you leave behind.

CuteOldGuy · 12-28-2011, 12:42 AM

Ah, Munch. So ignorant, yet so vocal.

Munchmasterman · 12-28-2011, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Ah, Munch. So ignorant, yet so vocal.

Are you ever going back up your statements? You claim to be an attorney and you can't use words. At least in a coherent way. Say something other than "I know lots you don't. And I'm not going to tell you any of it." Or in my field when somebody says “it’s too technical for you.” In other words they don’t have a fucking clue.

CuteOldGuy · 12-28-2011, 01:09 AM

Why? You will misinterpret or distort what I say. I have better things to do than try to explain things to you. Have a nice day.

Munchmasterman · 12-28-2011, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Why? You will misinterpret or distort what I say. I have better things to do than try to explain things to you. Have a nice day.

If you could you would savor it.

As long as you never have to explain the way something is distorted you'll be fine. I won't tell anyone that you can't.

It's obvious you can't.

Now STFU

CuteOldGuy · 12-28-2011, 01:23 AM

I told you. You still continued. So I think you are the one who needs to STFU.

Munchmasterman · 12-28-2011, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

I told you. You still continued. So I think you are the one who needs to STFU.

You have tried to divert the dialog to a level you feel you can compete at. No facts needed, your past bullshit on this thread safely behind you. Do you have anything to say about the topic of this thread? Didn't think so.
I'll answer whatever bullshit you think up tonight in the morning.
I figure if you get off 40-50 comments it should only take 15 minutes to consider and respond to the entire range of your thought capacity.

CuteOldGuy · 12-28-2011, 01:35 AM

Seriously, you should still consider therapy. I think it might help.

WTF · 12-28-2011, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

Again, I thought you were through with the blaming. If you were truthful about the steps we should take to fix things without blaming, you would have explained how I had misinterpreted what you said.

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They hate the Blame Bush game but love them some Blame Obama game!

And somehow are to ignorant to see the hyporicy....

CuteOldGuy · 12-28-2011, 08:57 AM

That's the problem, WTF. Munch can't get over that I've said over and over again that blame is useless, we need to be fixing. Others were involved in the blame game, so I said, let's make it easier and blame them both, so we can move on. Then Munch lost his mind. I think we should fix things, and then assign blame if we have to. I know Bush is responsible for much of what is going on, but Obama is not doing anything to fix it. So blame them both, and let's get moving on a solution.