Republican Next Move: Special Prosecutor

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WTF

WTF ever....provide a link to your BS.

Look them up yourself, you jack-ass. The Obama administration is making the fucking appointments! End of story!

[dilbert firestorm]

WTF

not sure why you're defending AG Eric Holder, but he perjured in Congress stating that he knew nothing about Fast & Furious operation. There are memos that have been released showing that he knew about the operation.

there is also a taped conversation recorded by one of the gun dealers with an ATF agent about the straw purchases under the F&F/Gunwalker program.

oddly enough, the said tapes were given to the Inspector General. This IG turned the tapes over to the Phoenix office of the Federal DAs who is under investigation by the same IG.

And you had a ABC reporter covering Fast & Furious trying to get some answers get shouted at over the phone.

Eric Holder should have never been AG to begin with as he was not fit to be one.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

WTF

not sure why you're defending AG Eric Holder, but he perjured in Congress stating that he knew nothing about Fast & Furious operation. There are memos that have been released showing that he knew about the operation.

there is also a taped conversation recorded by one of the gun dealers with an ATF agent about the straw purchases under the F&F/Gunwalker program.

oddly enough, the said tapes were given to the Inspector General. This IG turned the tapes over to the Phoenix office of the Federal DAs who is under investigation by the same IG.

And you had a ABC reporter covering Fast & Furious trying to get some answers get shouted at over the phone.

Eric Holder should have never been AG to begin with as he was not fit to be one.

I'm not defending Holder, I'm seeking the truth. From what I read Holder has said the memo did not make it to him, thus he did not lie. We will see as I doubt the Repub's back down on this.

But what some idiots are saying is that Obama should be impeached over this. That is stupid shit right there and I will continue to state so. Go back and read what some of these nut jobs have stated on here.

[Whirlaway]

Your take on what "the truth" is dubious. Why should the Reps "back down" if all you want is "the truth"? If you want "the truth" then you would support the Reps investigations; supeonas, and questions; or support a special independent prosecutor.

Originally Posted by WTF

I'm not defending Holder, I'm seeking the truth.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WTF

I'm not defending Holder, I'm seeking the truth.

You're an inveterate liar like Holder. You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you in the ass.

March 26, 2009 — Secretary of State Hillary Clinton falsely claims: "We have to recognize and accept that the demand for drugs from the United States drives them north, and the guns that are used by the drug cartels against the police and the military, 90 percent of them come from America."

The following is a timeline of events surrounding Holder and Congress’ dealings with Operation Fast and Furious:

2009 — Operation Fast and Furious is launched under the supervision of the ATF's Group VII, based out of Phoenix.
March 12, 2010 — Group VII Supervisor David Roth sends an email to the group acknowledging a “schism” in the attitudes of the agents. ATF agents in the group would later testify they were conflicted over the tactics being used. “Whether you care or not people of rank and authority at HQ are paying close attention to this case,” wrote Roth.
July 2010 — Michael Walther, the director of the National Drug Intelligence Center (NDIC), wrote three memos to Holder in which he mentions Operation Fast and Furious. In one memo, Walther advises Holder that NDIC and a Phoenix drug enforcement task force would assist the ATF with an investigation of a suspected gun trafficker, Manuel Celis-Acosta, being run under Operation Fast and Furious.
“This investigation, initiated in September 2009 in conjunction with the Drug Enforcement Administration, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and the Phoenix police department, involves a Phoenix-based firearms trafficking ring Manuel Celis-Acosta,” the memo states. “Celis-Acosta and [redacted] straw purchasers are responsible for the purchase of 1,500 firearms that were then supplied to Mexican drug trafficking cartels.”
Nov. 2010 — Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer sent a weekly memo to Holder notifying him of a sealed indictment against alleged gun traffickers in Arizona by the DOJ’s organized crime and gang section. Breuer wrote that the indictment would remain sealed “until another investigation, Phoenix-based ‘Operation Fast and Furious,’ is ready for takedown.”
Nov. – Dec. 2010 — Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) is contacted by whistleblowers within ATF about the tactics used in Operation Fast and Furious.
Dec. 15, 2010 — Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry is killed in a firefight in Arizona. Two of the guns found at the scene were sold to suspected straw buyers under the operation.
Jan. 2011 — Grassley meets with Holder and DOJ officials to discuss the whistleblower allegations.
Feb. 2011 — DOJ sends a letter to Grassley denying that the ATF would knowingly sell assault weapons to straw purchasers and that the agency makes every effort to prevent weapons from going to Mexico.
March 2011 — Holder asks the DOJ’s Inspector General to investigate Operation Fast and Furious.
March 8, 2011 — Eleven people are federally indicted for alleged weapons trafficking crimes in connection with Fast and Furious.
March 16, 2011 — Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) sends his first letter to ATF’s acting-director Kenneth Melson requesting documents pertaining to the origin of Fast and Furious and who authorized it.
March 31, 2011 — Issa issues first subpoena on Fast and Furious to DOJ for documents he requested in March.
May 3, 2011 — Holder testifies before the House Judiciary Committee saying, “I’m not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks.”


http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...-with-congress

[Whirlaway]

Add into your timeline Holder's speech in Mexico on April 2, 2009......

"...I would like to thank the Mexican and U.S. experts who have worked so hard on this issue. On our side, Secretary Napolitano and I are committed to putting the resources in place to increase our attack on arms trafficking into Mexico.

Last week, our administration launched a major new effort to break the backs of the cartels. My department is committing 100 new ATF personnel to the Southwest border in the next 100 days to supplement our ongoing Project Gunrunner, DEA is adding 16 new positions on the border, as well as mobile enforcement teams, and the FBI is creating a new intelligence group focusing on kidnapping and extortion. DHS is making similar commitments, as Secretary Napolitano will detail....."

Reads like an admission that he knew about the program back in April 2009. Operation Fast and Furious started in April 2009 !

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Add into your timeline Holder's speech in Mexico on April 2, 2009......

"...I would like to thank the Mexican and U.S. experts who have worked so hard on this issue. On our side, Secretary Napolitano and I are committed to putting the resources in place to increase our attack on arms trafficking into Mexico.

Last week, our administration launched a major new effort to break the backs of the cartels. My department is committing 100 new ATF personnel to the Southwest border in the next 100 days to supplement our ongoing Project Gunrunner, DEA is adding 16 new positions on the border, as well as mobile enforcement teams, and the FBI is creating a new intelligence group focusing on kidnapping and extortion. DHS is making similar commitments, as Secretary Napolitano will detail....."

Reads like an admission that he knew about the program back in April 2009. Operation Fast and Furious started in April 2009 !

It does sound that way.

[Whirlaway]

Yep; and do a google search of "US guns heading to Mexico in 2009" and see the liberal Obama ass licking rags touting a false story line...and you think the Obama administration wasn't pushing for legislative changes in gun sales?

Here is a video of Obama in Mexico in 2009 blaming US laws regarding gun sales/shipments to Mexico....

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011...s-later-video/


“This war being waged with guns purchased not here but in the United States.” This is too fucking funny; turns out Obama was the one sending the guns to Mexico !!!!!!!!!!


Fast and Furious was a political scheme cooked up to flood the border with guns and violence so Obama could burn the 2nd Ammendment !

[CuteOldGuy]

As a card carrying "nutjob" I still think that the President has to take responsibility and at the very least fire Eric Holder. If he doesn't, then he supports the program, and should be impeached. All this President, and now his staff, can do is blame somebody else for everything that goes wrong. The buck stops with you, Mr. President. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

*hijacked from another thread* Yes, it was announced today, but known for weeks. The timing was to divert attention from the subpoenas to be issued in the Fast and Furious scandal. Apparently it worked.

Holder sure is using it as a shield to hide behind.

Holder addressed the matter of “Fast and Furious” at the end of a press conference, on 11 October, about an alleged Iran-tied terror plot foiled by U.S. investigators. "What I want the American people to understand is that in complying with those subpoenas and dealing with that inquiry, that will not detract us from the important business that we have here to do at the Justice Department, including matters like the one that we have announced today," Holder said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...est=latestnews


P.S. a working link to Stephen Kruiser

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-DxJ...nning_scandal/

[WTF]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

As a card carrying "nutjob" I still think that the President has to take responsibility and at the very least fire Eric Holder. If he doesn't, then he supports the program, and should be impeached. All this President, and now his staff, can do is blame somebody else for everything that goes wrong. The buck stops with you, Mr. President. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Should President Bush been impeached for Abu Ghraib prison fiasco?

You have an investigation and then fire people if the need arises.

You nutty jobs are putting the cart before the horse.

There will be a fall guy in this, you can bet your ass and the person who devised this caca should be the one to fall. So far as I can tell that is some mid level ATF guy. Did Justice sign off on it? It appears so but they did not devise it...the local TF agents appeard to.

But by all means have the investigation.

[CuteOldGuy]

Ok, let's give them a fair hearing, then execute them. Sounds good to me.

Seriously, part of the impeachment process would be a thorough investigation, at least in theory. So let's have the investigation, with or without impeachment, and let the chips fall where they may.

Common ground again, WTF. Does this scare you as much as it does me?

[WTF]

Nope...I do realize that we all have way more common ground than not. Even that dumbass I B has more in common with me than not.

We all are wanting to get to the same place, we are just arguing on which direction to take. Much more fun that way!

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WTF

Nope...I do realize that we all have way more common ground than not. Even that dumbass I B has more in common with me than not.

Actually, about 80% of the time! You see, WTF forged my eccie board persona; hence, I am his evil dopplegänger. Nevertheless, I do object to the "dumb-ass" appellation, you dumb-ass.

Originally Posted by WTF

We all are wanting to get to the same place, we are just arguing on which direction to take. Much more fun that way!

Sometimes.

[Whirlaway]

Way too much man-hugging going on here fellas; get back to your corners and come out fighting.