Are providers influenced to change or not change rates because of perceived pressure from hobbyists?

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Ms Francisca

I think I have my assholes in order now.

So does that mean greek is on the menu as well?

Your last post was quite the ad but you never mentioned greek but here you have your assholes in order....

It's confusing...

[Yssup Rider]

Actually Whispers, I think it's Spanish... It's like Greek but has a French lesson in the middle! If it gets too crazy and they need to use a cork, that would make it Portuguese!

Just teasing you a bit, Fran, mi amiga! I know you love it!

[Ms Francisca]

Whispers

I would like to see where you think I am taking advantage od their "daddy issues" ... Please search and quote....

Read your signature line
"Underneath all the glitter and thongs, they are still attention starved little girls with daddy issues!".......
and BTW... attention starved is the definition of daddy issues. Your quote does not make sense.

Really? you are going to use the threAD line with me? well, you no longer excite me sir

Do yourself a favor, do not underestimate my intelligence.

[Ms Francisca]

LMAO Rider

[Randall Creed]

I haven't read every post in this thread verbatim, but some thoughts occured to me as I perused. Providers can raise or lower their rates as they please. We all know this, yes. The thought I had was this: Providers raise their rates based on (in many cases, but not always) the number of [glowing] reviews they get. Who's writing these reviews? Guys in the Locker Rooms. Guys with Premium Access. These so called lurkers making up 65% or 90% or whatever the hell funky math someone came up with sounds like bullshit to me. One, it can't be proven by numbers how much lurkers contribute, because they are statistically invisible. Two, how are these lurkers getting through screening (you providers ARE screening, right? I don't want to hear it the next time Mr. Nobody roughs you up or shortchanges you and you have no idea who he is because he's just a lurker)? 'Hey, provider. I'm Mr. No-name who saw your ad and read your reviews (minus ROS because I don't have PA) on ECCIE. You don't know me from the man in the moon, but I'd like to see you at such and such time. How about we hook up?' So the guys doing the dirty work of writing these glorious, sparkling reviews are being rewarded with rate increases while the lurkers do nothing but mooch off the labor of reviewers, and at the same time feed into the provider and ALSO helping her raise rates? Interesting. If a provider is feeling overwhelmed by a surplus of appt requests, ONE SOLUTION is to simply say, I'm booked. PM every guy you don't want to see with a reply of those two words. Another solution is to make screening more stringent (with that thought, I still can't get past how lurkers are getting through screening...unless they have P411).

One possible solution to curb rate increases is to quit letting reviews pile up on providers. Sure, it's great to let everyone know your saw Provider X (not to mention maintaining your PA), but if you're the 3rd or 4th guy to do a reviewn on a girl in the span of a couple weeks, then you're contributing to her rate increase, not to mention helping the lurkers. If it was up to me, a lurker wouldn't be able to see a thing in a review except her name. The drive should be to entice guys to not only join but get PA as well. They're getting way too much for free, IMO.

Understand, ladies, that I'm not trying to be the bad guy, here. Just playing devils' advocate (or trying to). I'll post in rate discussion threads, but I won't haggle a lady over her rates. If I contact a provider for a session, then it means I've agreed to whatever rate she has posted. Simple as that.

One other thing about rate increasing: your level of service either has to already be high OR you have to improve it to match your new rates. I'm sure I speak for at least a few guys when I say that if your rates start at 2 bills per hour and you're still CBJ, then you've.....lost your mind. That said, if you get a sustainable flow of business working that way, more power to you. This discourages repeat business, IMO, unless you're superhot and getting new guys to see you isn't an issue. However, one of the benefits of repeat business is you don't to go through the 'brand new customer' hassle as much.

[Ms Francisca]

I am assuming that you are referring to Guests & non participating members when you say Lurker. Yes?

Originally Posted by Rambro Creed

I haven't read every post in this thread verbatim, but some thoughts occured to me as I perused. Providers can raise or lower their rates as they please. We all know this, yes. The thought I had was this: Providers raise their rates based on (in many cases, but not always) the number of [glowing] reviews they get. Unfortunately, the glowing reviews are like the telephone game; by the time it gets to this board the information seems to change... The best reviews for a ladies business are the plain, simple & to the point. The glowing review is written solely for masturbation purposes. Who's writing these reviews? Guys in the Locker Rooms. Guys with Premium Access. These so called lurkers making up 65% or 90% or whatever the hell funky math someone came up with sounds like bullshit to me. One, it can't be proven by numbers how much lurkers contribute, because they are statistically invisible. There are many ways to see these numbers and their contribution. Basic business . You see this as a hobby, I see it as a business. If you owned a restaurant you would know...
1)head count & sales from regular customers 2) count of traffic passing 3)Sales from the passing traffic.
Two, how are these lurkers getting through screening (you providers ARE screening, right?
Screening? P411 screened members
Or same for Lurkers and PA :
-phone conversation
-email addy
-license plate
I don't want to hear it the next time Mr. Nobody roughs you up or shortchanges you and you have no idea who he is because he's just a lurker)?
Also unfortunate that short changing is mostly done by the glowing review writers, but the fact that so many hobbyist glorify these review writers, intimidates the providers and nothing is said about the shortages. After all, its the glorifying reviews that will make us or break us. I wonder how many reviews are written as favors.....
In the real world, most sexual attacks are by someone the victim knew. Same in hobby world. A lady lets her guard down with the glorified reviewers. I do not see mods or frequent posters. I learned my lesson the VERY hard way.
'Hey, provider. I'm Mr. No-name who saw your ad and read your reviews (minus ROS because I don't have PA) on ECCIE. You don't know me from the man in the moon,' so, if a gent calls your restaurant to make a reservation and tells you he has written 10 reviews about several restaurant in Austin, you feel they are somehow a better person than the gent that calls, gives you the same personal info as the reviewer but this gent has never reviewed any restaurant? but I'd like to see you at such and such time. How about we hook up?
Through the years I have shared and proved this interesting bit of information with many providers & hobbyist both...
Lurker calls:
"Good morning Ms Fran... ses...ches...
My name is lurker, I saw your add on eccie, I am 50, 6ft, 200lbs, , a plumber for 30yrs, I live in the Domain bldg 3, married, I have 3 kids,
I have seen provider A, her phone number, provider B, phone number, etc.... Lurker will volunteer screening info & are very polite. He will give you his social security number on the first call.
PA calls:
"Hi, this is Mr PA on eccie, I have 20 reviews, are you available at 2pm?
I swear it is true.
If a lady that has a nude pic & her add is flirtatious... the callers will be younger & 30 min dates, last minute appts. Her reviews will be more explicit, more sexual details about what he did to her.
Provider adds that are to the point & pics are more everyday natural poses will get older callers, longer dates, pre- booked appts. Review will be focused more on her. How she made him feel.

So the guys doing the dirty work of writing these glorious, sparkling reviews are being rewarded with rate increases while the lurkers do nothing but mooch off the labor of reviewers, and at the same time feed into the provider and ALSO helping her raise rates? EXCUSE ME????? Reviews are important for a provider, but not nearly as important as most of you think.
As far as any dirty work and labor, it is done by me for me. I have worked very hard and still do. You obviously have no idea the work that goes into being a provider & I am not talking about making sure I look & smell good.

Interesting. If a provider is feeling overwhelmed by a surplus of appt requests, ONE SOLUTION is to simply say, I'm booked. PM every guy you don't want to see with a reply of those two words. Another solution is to make screening more stringent (with that thought, I still can't get past how lurkers are getting through screening...unless they have P411).
have a low rate for french and high for the hour. You will have less hr appts but a much better attitude because you are making more money. To compensate for the volume loss, cater to the guy that spends $120 for a french 5 times per month. It is easier to take care of 1 man per month for 600 than 3 for 200 each.

One possible solution to curb rate increases is to quit letting reviews pile up on providers. Sure, it's great to let everyone know your saw Provider X (not to mention maintaining your PA), but if you're the 3rd or 4th guy to do a reviewn on a girl in the span of a couple weeks, then you're contributing to her rate increase, not to mention helping the lurkers. If it was up to me, a lurker wouldn't be able to see a thing in a review except her name. The drive should be to entice guys to not only join but get PA as well. They're getting way too much for free, IMO.
If it was up to me Reviews would only provide necessary info. Jack off info should be shared in over a beer.
Understand, ladies, that I'm not trying to be the bad guy, here. Just playing devils' advocate (or trying to). I'll post in rate discussion threads, but I won't haggle a lady over her rates. If I contact a provider for a session, then it means I've agreed to whatever rate she has posted. Simple as that.

One other thing about rate increasing: your level of service either has to already be high OR you have to improve it to match your new rates. I'm sure I speak for at least a few guys when I say that if your rates start at 2 bills per hour and you're still CBJ, then you've.....lost your mind. That said, if you get a sustainable flow of business working that way, more power to you. This discourages repeat business, IMO, unless you're superhot and getting new guys to see you isn't an issue. However, one of the benefits of repeat business is you don't to go through the 'brand new customer' hassle as much.

If she offers a cbj for 200, Young, Playboy hot, immaculately dressed & groomed... Guess what???? Her phone will ring and ring and ring. There is a market for everyone and plenty of money on this board to make us all happy at whatever our rates may be. I know several men that wanted cbj.
A smart stripper can make 200 for dancing and a cbj in less than an hr.

[Whispers]

It is so very refreshing to hear an experienced provider tell us that the ladies are making plenty of money (as much as they want to make) and their phones are ringing and ringing and ringing....

So none of us should be the slightest bit concerned any longer. Those of you that have been on the "Shop Local Campaign" can get off that horse and start enjoying the traveling talent.

[Ms Francisca]

Interesting how your opinion of me has changed through this thread....

12 hrs ago you said......
Whispers

For someone that has been around a while you seem to be a bit ignorant of facts Darlin...


Another comment pulled outta your ass.


Grabbing numbers outta the air?

Now you say....

It is so very refreshing to hear an experienced provider

According to you, I went from Dumb Ass to Experienced in 12 hrs.


Is this your nonchalant way of complimenting me? ahhh sweet whispers or

just taking a cheap shot at providers?

[Whispers]

I never called you a "dumb ass"... Please do not put words in my mouth.....

I said you were "ignorant of facts" and making assumptions without basis. If you want to APPLY those type of statements to a summation of your character then please, by all means, do so.....

It appears to me you have the ability to actually process information, you just don't bother read enough to be aware of what is accurate information vs supposition.

for example the supposition that most people are looking the board from 9-5 because that is when they hobby....

It may be that "most people looking at the board from 9-5" are bored and killing time at work....

Some never check in from home or at other times. Personally I have no clue and I doubt highly there is much validity in the numbers you present or your interpretations of available date....

From reading some of what you write I think you are probably very capable of providing a pretty decent debate and livening things up around here a bit.

It would be great to see you doing that with some semblance of accurate information and an indication that you bother to read or research something before trying to come across as an expert....

I post MY experiences as well as MY opinions most of the time where you seem to want to speak on behalf of the Provider community....

OK ... Fine with me......

Please do NOT assume that my statement regarding you telling us the providers were all plenty busy and not in need of any additional help was indicative of my impression that you are "experienced"....

So far you come across as the typical provider hitting the boards to drum up interest in a failing business model.....

However you do so in a manner that provides some entertainment value and I like to cultivate that at times.

[AtypicalLonghorn]

Originally Posted by incognito isis

Hi Guys and gals, I'm new here to the boards. Let me horn in on this. I have one client who I keep my rates especially low. The reason for this is because he has an odd fetish. He wants me to pretend I'm alseep, that I'm his sleeping beauty. I jsut lie there and he massages my feet, hands and body. Then he moves on to the deed. All while I'm "pretending" to be alseep. I do nothing. No foreplay. My eyes are closed. No talking....for this, I charge the low rate of $150 for the hour. My rates are higher for everyone else, but based on the services, or lack there of, he gets a discounted rate. I mean, I'm LITERALLY doing nothing.

EDIT: I posted the stuff below before reading a post by Incognito Isis that she thought he was probably into necrophilia.

His fetish is more odd than you think. His is not fantasizing that you are asleep. He is fantasizing that you are dead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necrophilia

[Rand Al'Thor]

Originally Posted by Ms Francisca

These words need to be in the provider bible, 1st commandment, golden rule book, sacred hooker tips.....
Ladies, this is the best advice you can ever get from a fellow provider.

Whispers is a perfect example of a loud poster that does not spend $ on "advertising providers" . Obviously, what he does spend, is the majority of his day on eccie complaining about providers, threADDS, rates, etc and at the same time admitting he will not spend $ on providers regardless.

Since we’re speculating on what others do with their time, I’ll take a stab. Since you claim to do well for yourself and don’t spend all day posting on ECCIE, it’s obvious you spend the majority of your day servicing a revolving door’s supply of lurkers and guests. Good for you! See how that goes?

Whispers, you must have a large booty because you seem to pull a lot of information from it. Providers raise rates when they have more business than time. Providers run specials to make up lost revenue. I imagine loud posters are going to have problems when they realize they will have to use their wallet if they want their vote to be heard.

We’ll come back to this.

If ladies include hobbyist like whispers into their market, then I agree, they do not properly understand the market. Loud posters is not where the money is.
In Austin about 65% of hobbyist are guests looking at the adds/reviews. Meaning 65% of a Ladies income comes from guests not members.
A guest cannot see the BCD comments of the review. All the good, bad, big penis, exaggerated details are BCD... A guest looks at Pics, BBBJ, GFE, recommendation & Rates. They do not have the I am a "frequent poster" "well known" "my review will make you or break you" attitude. They actually expect to pay a little more than the "member hobbyist" and appreciate any sort of "special" offered by a lady. Again, these are 65% of the hobbyist in Austin.
Only 35% of a ladies income comes from eccie members
Out of those, 90% are the lurkers, 9% are gentlemen/white knight posters and1% are loud posters (rude, disrespectful, argumentative towards providers).

I can only assume your booty is as large as Whispers’ (and that is not a good thing for a provider) since you seem to pull information out of the same source. Viewing numbers do not equate income source unless you provide data that correlates the two. Please don’t bother if the correlating data will be your experience. I would also love to see correlating evidence of “loud posters’” spending habits vs. “gentlemen” vs. lurkers vs. guests. In your division of the 23/35% who are ECCIE members, it’s interesting to see that only categories are lurkers, gentlemen/WK and loud posters. No room for occasional posters or objective posters? Also, where does the count (90%, 9%, 1%) come from, same source?

Ladies, in the past 10 years I have seen many "whispers", men with mommy issues (which BTW are extremely more traumatizing for men than daddy issues are for females) come and go. Do not let these men make the hobby a bad experience because their opinions honestly do not matter and will not affect your business.

Are you qualified to deliver psycho analysis on anyone? How about someone you’ve never met? At this point, I think your backside must be bigger than his, and that’s pretty damned big. Unless you have proof or credible expert opinion showing someone here has any kind of issues, please shove your opinion back where you pulled it from.

Today eccie might be the King hobby board in Texas and a few years ago it was aspd and we do not know who will wear the crown 5 years from now. Do not depend on the board. Depend on the hobbyist. Take care of them & they will take care of you. I promise.

Good advice.

Originally Posted by Ms Francisca

I am shocked! neither of you know where I got the numbers? Cool Beans! I am smarter than I look!!

Too easy…

Average hobby date & time is Mon-Fri, 9am to 5pm.
Look at the guest count & the member count viewing eccie during these times. Guest count on the average is about 65% of total viewing & the members count is about 35% average.
If you subtract the members that are providers(about 12%) only 23% of hobbyist viewing this board are members.
It will take me a minute or 2 but I can give you close to exact figures.

You’ve given us viewing stats, but not how they correlate to provider income. Note that it’s provider income, not Ms Francisca’s income. Who knows, maybe the informed membership wants to see you less than uninformed guests.

BTW... any information coming from my ass or any woman's ass is just better than if it came from any male ass. We just have prettier asses

I’ll give you credit for one of the more creative ways of saying it, but you’re still trying to say your shit don’t stink.

I noticed from reading the threads & from what hobbyist & providers have said about Whispers, that he is indeed extremely credible, loved & respected in this community. I bet if he started his own board everybody in Texas would follow. We could call it "Sweet Whispers"

What Sixx said is that he has credibility, not respect or love. I can vouch for many claims Whispers has made.

Also, not to bust your bubble sixx, but not only have I not participated on any hobby board, my acct had been disabled for almost a year and the emails asking for my advice & recommendations on both providers & hobbyist never stopped. I also have credibility in this community & I am also not afraid of speaking out.

If hobbyists like "whispers" are not afraid of speaking out, then why such a concern with providers reading/knowing what is said about them in the men locker room? Whispers for one will not miss a chance to question a provider about LR or BCD info. Why does he care?

Because there’s information we share that isn’t about ECCIE providers that we don’t care to have you see. There is also information that has to be guarded from open forums for the sake of privacy. There may be personal information shared, incall specifics discussed, stripper names, any number of things that we are not allowed to, or would we want to share with the public. Not everything is about you.

Why does he only review ladies that do not know about eccie & much less reviews?

Maybe he reviews strippers (women that do not know about ECCIE & reviews) because that’s where he plays most or sees a lack of information being shared.

Does he tell his stripper fuck buddy for the day that she offers the most bang for a buck? Does he let her know he pays her below the average rate in Austin?

Do your johns tell you that you offer average bang for the buck? Do they tell you that you charge the average rate in Austin?

That he takes advantage of her daddy issues for his own sexual gratification? (FYI, getting this info from Whispers own posts. I can search & quote for you if needed) Does Whispers "speak out" to the strippers like he does on this board? I doubt it.

I have seen him tell girls that they are not to his liking. I have seen him tell a girl that she needs to take a shower because of her BO. So much for your doubts.

Why the BCD comments in reviews? why not speak out where we (ladies) can read? Whispers (like the rest of the hobbyists) chooses to make comments BCD. Why not make the comments visible to the ladies? Seems to me he IS scared to "speak out"

Actually, the format of the reviews are already dictated by the site, and Rest of the Story is Premium Access by default, not a choice made. Even if a choice was made to make it public, it would not be allowed under the rules here.

Truth be told, the BCD comments on a review are nothing more than a man either expressing his honest disappointment or making sure the rest of the bros know he uses magnum's.
Locker Room comments are men expressing their honest opinions about providers but too scared to speak out.
What really amuses me, is that hobbyist bitch about providers reading the LR but it is the hobbyist that give the providers access to their beloved LR. gotta love it!

I really have no clue to what information you are talking about. I have never read the forbidden on eccie and probably never will but it is not top secret that I (as well as any lady) could read the forbidden if I wanted to. I have had access to LR & BCD on aspd & did not use it.

You have a lot of truth to impart for someone who has never read the LR, ML or BCD info. Despite where you got the impression of what’s in ML or ROS of review, there are many reviews that don’t involve the reviewer masturbating for the sake of others or expressing disappointment. There are probably more matter-of-fact account of what happened than Penthouse Forum Letter tales. If you're going to tell us that you only have secondhand information on what is contained in the private areas, don't try to tell us what the truth is behind the curtain.


I know it’s difficult to imagine, given your opinion of posters, members and PA account holders here, but there are other reasons than fear for not talking about things here.

I voice my opinions loud and clear in the public forums. No fear.

I think I have testicle fortitude!!!!!
I need to lower my rates, I cannot afford to play with my own testicles!!!!

BTW, I’m the source of the daddy issue quote. If you have a problem with that, please take it up with me.

Let me sum up. You have a business model where the lurkers and guests here as well as those who have never heard of boards and reviews expect to pay you more, are more grateful, are more polite, cooperate better with screening, and you did just fine with them for nearly a year while you had your account disabled. So…why did you come back, because you missed the loud posters’ charm?

[Ms Francisca]

Originally Posted by Whispers

So far you come across as the typical provider hitting the boards to drum up interest in a failing business model.....

Fair assumption.
I do not know if you have realized that comments like this confuse providers. Ladies are encouraged to post but when we do our post are criticized and accused of having no other purpose than to advertise because we do not have enough business. Has it not crossed your mind that maybe my only motive is to give my 2 cents? I can just as well believe/say the PA gents post/review only to raise post count & become "known" on the board so that they might be able to sway a new young lady into giving them a rate discount in exchange for a glorious review.
Now, to say that a lady posting is not a form of advertising is a bunch of CHIT. Of course it is a form of advertising!.
If you look at this from outside the box... As a car salesman, often you have the privilege of driving a demo car, being a form of advertisement. If you go to HEB on a Sunday (your day off) for your weekly munchies with car sales being the furthest thing on your mind & someone sees your demo car in the parking lot and falls in love... Do you stop driving the car to HEB? or just enjoy the inevitable marketing benefits that come with driving the demo?
I have read through your posts in the past few days, and you have said a few nice things about a very few ladies, but most of your post are, well, just plain mean towards ladies.
To me, you come across as a man that is angry about having homosexual desires. You surround yourself with women (strippers) hoping they can take away your homosexual desires, but when that does not work, you come to eccie & bash women behind your handle because you feel it is our fault you are homosexual. Just follow your desires & you will sooo much happier.
Disclaimer: I am not an expert on homosexual behavior. My opinion is based on a human sexuality class offered at ACC. Which BTW has been extremely helpful for my hobby business.

I am not exactly sure what you mean by a failing business model.

My business has never failed. I have never said or written that I need (not the same as want) more business. There are a several hobbyist and providers that could vouch for the validity of that statement.
I average 5k per month as a part time provider (& holding a full time civi job) without advertising on eccie and without any new reviews. I have worked hard & smart to build my business in this hobby to what it is today.
Why have I re-appeared????
I am posting adds in the add forum because I need 50k for a civi project I am working on. I need to re connect with old friends and make a few new ones. I post in the co-ed because I am a very opinionated woman & I enjoy voicing my 2 cents. The interest I drum up is nothing more than an appreciated added bonus.

Originally Posted by Whispers

However you do so in a manner that provides some entertainment value and I like to cultivate that at times.

Gracias.
I will do my best to improve my entertainment skills so that I may provide you with more than just some entertainment

[Vyt]

We're starting to stray pretty far afield from the topic and veering into slamming each other - kindly dial it down just a touch. Thanks!

[sixxbach]

Thanks Vyt!

Ms. Fransisca... I don't appreciate you hijacking my thread and making ridiculous claims. I surely hope your regulars pony up the 50k so you can do what you need to do. Maybe Wicked can join ya too!

Sixx

[Vyt]

Originally Posted by sixxbach

Thanks Vyt!

You're welcome... now please follow my advice!