Your tax dollars at work, even if the people who receive them won't

[str8.2.bbbj]

Originally Posted by tucson

Automation has taken it's toll on the number of workers required to build a car or for that matter most other manufacturing. The unions fought automation knowing it would eliminate jobs. The days that a person could graduate from grade school and go to work building cars has passed. Many minorities drop out of school with out an education go directly to welfare or selling drugs. The drug culture is supporting many minority men in one way or another. Crime has enabled the minorities to get the money to purchase drugs to support their habit.
Perhaps if the minorities were forced to learn to be responsible adult workers and show up on time prepared to work the welfare group would diminish.

This is absolutely the most racist dribble I've ever read. Wow...Newsflash jackass, MOST of the people on welfare are white! By a LARGE margin.

And drugs...are you serious? There are no white drug dealers? I know they're all Black and Latino. You're out of your fucking mind with that whole rant. I really hope you were being sarcastic. If not, you're really part of what's wrong with this country.

[EZ.]

Originally Posted by tucson

EZ you speak of one as I also may speak of several. I am talking about the majority that feel getting an education is being white. They can't get a job as they have no discipline and would not keep a job as they can't take direction. I have worked with several blacks that find the idea of arriving on time and ready to work is not some thing they will do. In my work I was responsible to preform the job with out supervision and to respond to customers requests with out consulting my managers. If I was to drive to Tulsa and fix some thing I was expected to complete the job. One technician we had stopped half way there to sleep because he was up drinking all night. In order to meet our contract we had to fly another technician up there then try to locate the missing guy. His excuse was we shouldn't expect him to drive when he needed sleep. The companies response was he should get his sleep on his own time and be prepared for work. He obtained a lawyer that tried to turn the whole thing into a racist thing. In the army every one was held to a high standard that applied to all of us equally. I never in my nine years in the army felt that the guy in the bunk beside me would let me down or not cover my ass when needed. It is not the fact that he was black or brown or white but the fact we all worked together and could count on each other to do their job.

Following your logic; 99% of all serial killers are white. If you're white, you must be a serial killer.

I pick my friends according to their character. I think the company that you work for, should examine their hiring practices.

Making broad statements, like you are doing, is racist.

[str8.2.bbbj]

According to the New York Times blacks comprise 22 percent of the poor, but blacks only take in 14 percent of government benefits. Conversely, whites make up 42 percent of the poor , but take in a disproportionate 69 percent of government benefits.

Seventy percent of counties with the fastest-growth in food-stamp aid during the last four years voted for the Republican presidential candidate in 2008, according to U.S. Department of Agriculture data compiled by Bloomberg.

Now with all that said, I still don't believe ANYBODY should get a penny from the government. I don't believe that we should even have a federal or state government. But Tucson, when you make broad ass statements like that when the data says the complete opposite, you sound like an ass...just like the rest of these conservative, bible-thumping Republicrats.

[DFW_Ladies_Man]

I dare not post my views on this issue but I will say government assistance is highly misused and abused. These programs should be limited and people receiving them for long periods of time should be cut off. I personally was raised to understand hard work and I couldn't see myself using any kind of assistance long term. Your goal in life shouldn't be to stay on assistance FOREVER but it is allowed.

I know a particular lady in my hometown that has 4 kids and gets nearly $2K in child support a month combined from all 4 baby daddys, unemployment, food stamps, and a few other benefits from the government. Shes not even looking for a job. Why, she'd lose money.

[Chung Tran]

Originally Posted by str8.2.bbbj

I don't believe that we should even have a federal or state government.

???... really?

how would we deal with crime, war, discrimination?

pure Darwinist?

[bigbob38]

Our country is in big trouble when more than 50% of population dont pay taxes and depend on the govt for subsistence hence 18 trillion dollar debt and growing daily.....Its going to be interesting to see when the money train hits a brick wall.....

[Chung Tran]

Originally Posted by bigbob38

Our country is in big trouble when more than 50% of population dont pay taxes

it's not more than 50%, it is 48%.. and those people pay social security, medicare, sales, property, and other taxes.. just not Federal income tax.

the world at large is in big trouble when 1% of the population controls nearly 50% of global wealth...

[Trill Jackson]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

it's not more than 50%, it is 48%.. and those people pay social security, medicare, sales, property, and other taxes.. just not Federal income tax.

the world at large is in big trouble when 1% of the population controls nearly 50% of global wealth...

Wealth inequality is a way bigger national and global problem than any social programs someone dislikes.

[blackmaleindallas]

Originally Posted by bigbob38

Our country is in big trouble when more than 50% of population dont pay taxes and depend on the govt for subsistence hence 18 trillion dollar debt and growing daily.....Its going to be interesting to see when the money train hits a brick wall.....

I think you're referring to income tax. If you buy food, clothes, liquor, cigs, or work, you're paying some form of taxes.

Poor people are easy targets but big corporations are the largest welfare recipients in this country. They are the ones that really depend on the government. Heck, that's why they spend so much money lobbying politicians. Poor people can't afford a lobbyist.

Tax payers have become comfortable subsidizing big businesses even though the profits only go back into the hands of the business owners and are not translating into new, middle class jobs; only low wage jobs and soaring corporate profits. That's not the fault of the "lazy" poor. I'd love to drug test government officials.

[MrKlean]

This thread makes me wonder how many hobbyist downing the poor are self-made?

Most of you "inherited" wealth from your grandparents who got it from _________?


The poor isn't the problem. They are the ones that work low wage jobs that allow the majority of business owners on this thread to make money!


BTW, if one pays their employees a wage that reflects their worth, one would have an employee that will treat their job and their employer like family!


If one chooses to pay an employee pennies, the employees work ethic will reflect their salary!


Stop believing that minorities are the problem and consider that the numbers don't add up.


Most of what people are fed on the Internet, Fox News and most of the other TV stations are mostly lies which allow the "system" to continue to flourish.


Have you ever wondered why and HOW the rich stay rich?


IT SURELY ISN'T BECAUSE OF SOMETHING THE POOR IS OR IS NOT DOING!


Think before you type and don't believe what the media says.....google is your friend!


Remember, racism is taught! Most racist don't recognize that they are racist!


Happy Hobbying to All, and to all a good night!

[str8.2.bbbj]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

???... really?

how would we deal with crime, war, discrimination?

pure Darwinist?

All wars are economic. Every last one. Most of what we consider "criminals" (who are in prison) are non-violent drug offenders. That aside the government doesn't stop "crime". Which leads us to "what is a crime"? Most laws protect the government and not the individual. The banks, corporations, and airlines can hire their own security and do a more efficient job that the government ever could.

And what the fuck does the government do to "stop discrimination"? The southern Asian experience is surely different than the southern black experience.

I understand it's hard for anyone to think past what they see and desire a life where you aren't slaves to governments. I sure it was hard for most people to think past having King george rob their wealth too. I guess when you talk about anarchy, people throw out every excuse in the world why it's a good thing to have government be their daddy.

[EZ.]

Originally Posted by KRiggins

This thread makes me wonder how many hobbyist downing the poor are self-made?

Most of you "inherited" wealth from your grandparents who got it from _________?


The poor isn't the problem. They are the ones that work low wage jobs that allow the majority of business owners on this thread to make money!


BTW, if one pays their employees a wage that reflects their worth, one would have an employee that will treat their job and their employer like family!


If one chooses to pay an employee pennies, the employees work ethic will reflect their salary!


Stop believing that minorities are the problem and consider that the numbers don't add up.


Most of what people are fed on the Internet, Fox News and most of the other TV stations are mostly lies which allow the "system" to continue to flourish.


Have you ever wondered why and HOW the rich stay rich?


IT SURELY ISN'T BECAUSE OF SOMETHING THE POOR IS OR IS NOT DOING!


Think before you type and don't believe what the media says.....google is your friend!


Remember, racism is taught! Most racist don't recognize that they are racist!


Happy Hobbying to All, and to all a good night!

No silver spoon, here! Racism is taught but not in my family. My Grandfather used to say, "Racism is ignorance and we are educated people". Lots of teachers in my family but no rich folks.

[EZ.]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

???... really?

how would we deal with crime, war, discrimination?

pure Darwinist?

Anarchist. I need to have a beer with him. I'm sure it would be an interesting conversation.

[str8.2.bbbj]

I think I've posted this here before, but it speaks to the root of the problem.
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In the long run, there is no such thing, and can be no such thing, as “limited government,” because once someone is accepted by others as a rightful master, and believes himself to have the moral right to rule, there will be nothing and no one “above” him, with the power to restrain him.

Inside a “government,” a higher “authority” might choose to limit a lower “authority,” but logic and experience show that an authoritarian hierarchy, taken as a whole, will never limit itself for long.

Why would it? Why would a master ever put his own interests below the interests of his slaves? The Constitution is a perfect example of this: a piece of parchment which purported to grant very limited “authority” to certain people but which utterly failed to stop those people from going beyond those limits, creating something that eventually grew into thefh most powerful authoritarian empire in history. And the problem cannot be solved by appointing another set of masters (e.g., a “court system”) inside the same authoritarian structure, with the supposed purpose of enforcing limits upon the first set of masters. “Separation of powers” and “checks and balances” and “due process” are meaninglesos pif the masters and those assigned to limit them are both part of the same authoritarian organization. ~ The Most Dangerous Superstition

[Chung Tran]

Originally Posted by str8.2.bbbj

the government doesn't stop "crime".

And what the fuck does the government do to "stop discrimination"? I guess when you talk about anarchy, people throw out every excuse in the world why it's a good thing to have government be their daddy.

the Government doesn't stop crime, but it sets up mechanisms to deal with and punish crime.. if we left it to private security and individuals to react to crimes, there would be mass killings.. a guy trying to steal a 6-pack from 7-11? shoot him dead, dispose of the body.. no Court to render a verdict..argument with a neighbor? kill him, ask God for forgiveness later.

the Government deals with discrimination, too.. you want individuals to decide justice? guns and money already rule to a large extent, your anarchist system would make it a certainty.. I don't think most people want Government as a "Daddy", but they do appreciate some form of an orderly society..