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[Gotyour6]

Originally Posted by zoebee

ohhh.... who doesnt want a sugar daddy!

You don't because you are still a hooker.

A sugar daddy that can get a young, fresh, NON hooker will go for that I am thinking.


So John, went to the college and met this sweet girl. She is inexperienced, she is cute, she is going to college and trying to make it for herself but she needs a little help, we go to dinners, a play, I just got her a new phone and she text messages me with these little stars and hearts. She is a doll and I just got her a nice little car so she can come and see me.

Well Jim, I am a member of ECCIE and I found a hooker on there that still is a hooker, doesn't have a job and is relying on me 100% for everything other than the money she brings in from her regular customers, I get to see her a few times a month and in return I pay her $4000 a month.

[PleasantSurprise]

Originally Posted by Sidewinder

1. What do, or would, you eagerly, passionately, instantly, joyously do for your boyfriend that you would NOT eagerly, passionately, instantly, joyously do for your Sugar Daddy?

2. What do, or would, you eagerly, passionately, instantly, joyously do for your Sugar Daddy that you would NOT eagerly, passionately, instantly, joyously do for your boyfriend?

In other words, ladies, for you, PERSONALLY, what is the DIFFERENCE between a boyfriend and a Sugar Daddy, in terms of what you do for HIM, not in terms of what he does for you?

Tough question.

In observing my past, one thing that stands out is……
when dating a SD: whatever job I had at the time, I have always been asked to decrease the number of hours worked as to allow more time for us to do things together, and so I did. He had the funds and if I had the time, then we were set.
when dating a boyfriend: whatever job I had at the time, I can't recall the discussion on doing something that would decrease my monthly income, so I maintained the number of hours I was working. Not to imply I wouldn't cut back, it just didn't come up.

The other difference is on the surface, such as wearing a higher end wardrobe when necessary, selecting my words more carefully when in certain settings, and a change in my posture. I'm not sure if this one counts because I often dress and carry myself differently based upon my surroundings.

I would eagerly, passionately, joyously mention taking trips with my SD. I would say how about this restaurant, how about this city, how about this cruise, how about this theater production, how about this dress. If my boyfriend were financially secure, I would have similar discussions with him too. But if he weren't in a great financial position, I wouldn't dare bring such a thing up. I wouldn't want to make him feel like less of a man and unable to give me what I want. I would hope to part ways after a relationship is over having bettered your life, leaving you in a position better off than where you were when we met.

I guess in terms of what I do for one that I wouldn't do for the other, I can't find anything.

Some have commented that wants and needs are different.

In my opinion, a SD is like a boyfriend on… financial steroids. To me, SD's are normal men, using money to turn their fantasy into a reality.

Does a SD "need" a hot chic on his arm to survive? Or does a SD "want" a hot chic on his arm? I'm not sure I believe SD's need a hot chic on their arm to survive.

Does a SB "need" 5k a month? Or does she "want" 5k a month? I'm not sure I believe SB's need 5k a month to survive.

The SD/SB relationship doesn't appear to be based around what a person needs. I want young. I want hot. I want blonde hair and blue eyes. I want old. I want rich. I want salt and pepper hair.

If ultimately it's about happiness, then shouldn't both SD's and SB's go after what they want?

My favorite age range for men is 40-50 and up. I like the bodies of older men, I am just more physically attracted. It isn't anything against guys in their 20's or 30's, but I can't get wet in the bedroom when I'm with a younger man. I've tried and it is painful. With younger guys, it requires lots of lube. With older men, my personal lube is just the right amount.

Respect is often mutual with older men: give and receive. Younger men expect it, but rarely return the gesture. I like it when a man treats me with respect, and the chances are greater when dating someone who is older/old school in their ways.

I like wisdom and challenging conversation. I like a way of thinking different than my own. I like hearing about a tough obstacle, and hearing how it was handled. I'd rather learn from the mistakes of others, than to make them on my own. It isn't always possible, but it's just how I try to look at things.

With these things in mind, being a provider or a SB puts me in heaven.

Do I see myself severing all ties with clients because I'm promised the moon and stars by some who claims they're in this for the long haul? Highly unlikely.

Am I willing to meet with someone who respects my provider status long enough to see if we're compatible, then discuss taking things to the next level? Right now I would say yes, because to me that seems the most logical way to approach it.

[Gotyour6]

This is why a provider will never make a good sugar baby.

You feel as if they need this, you feel an SD needs that.

If they need 5k a month then they will need it without an SD and therefore will not need an SD.

They want it from them, not need it from them.

[PleasantSurprise]

I immediately question statements using the words always or never, because most often such statements are opinions a person is attempting to push off as a fact.

Originally Posted by Gotyour6

This is why a provider will never make a good sugar baby.

You feel as if they need this, you feel an SD needs that. <-inaccurate

If they need 5k a month then they will need it without an SD and therefore will not need an SD.

They want it from them, not need it from them.

Inaccurate because I don't feel a SB needs 5k a month any more than a SD needs a hot chic on his arm. Both are pure pleasures, fantasies, wishes, desires, wants. I don't feel a SB or SD "needs" this or that.

If a SB does need 5k a month to survive, she's financially fucked and yes she will need it with or without a SD.

If a SB wants 5k a month, what's wrong with wanting 5k a month?

Who am I or who are you to tell a person what they can or cannot want?

Many posters on this board make the SD/SB relationship appear to be built around the SD getting exactly what he wants while expecting to only provide a SB with what she needs.

[JohnnyYanks]

Originally Posted by PleasantSurprise

Many posters on this board make the SD/SB relationship appear to be built around the SD getting exactly what he wants while expecting to only provide a SB with what SD decides she needs.

Is that more accurate now?

[Guest071514-1]

I have seem some real dogs get a SD after he paid a cheap price in a cheap notel lol. I think its just luck in the end! Who is there at the exact time and place and who is willing to give what! I made this thread as a joke, but I'm definately looking for a exclusive thing. I don't think ill find it here, but its been very entertaining lol. Carry on:-)

[Gotyour6]

Yep, when things dont go the way you think say "I made this thread as a joke"

You want to be exclusive with someone then stop being a "Provider"

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by John Bull

Olivia I can't speak for other SD's, but I never actually paid a bill. To much trouble and a security risk for me. I give the necessary funds and she takes care of whatever she wants with it. I have known guys who would lease an apt and pay the rent for the lady. Even then, most of the time the lease was in her name and he just gave her the necessary.

John, I'm not saying you or anyone directly pays his ladies' bills. I was making a comment. We needn't agree.

Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

Okay, exactly HOW are we defining "Sugar Daddy?" Per several online dictionaries, it's "a slang term for a man who offers to support a lady after establishing a relationship."

Going by that, seems to me that those of your who had Sugar Babies who were expected to keep working weren't true Sugar Daddies. Is there a "middle of the road" term we could use for a fellow who provides financial assistance to a lady but isn't completely responsible for her needs? "Sugar Step-Daddy?"

I'd agree. I'd always thought of a SD as a gentleman that supports his SB totally and completely. Apparently, there are many varying degrees at least in the mind of the person doing the supporting or more specifically the person with the power.

Originally Posted by PleasantSurprise

My question is, why would a SD not completely support his SB? If a lady could be fully supported on say $4000 a month, would a SD intentionally only provide $3000 a month?

Begs the question doesn't it.

Originally Posted by PleasantSurprise

Or do most SD's have a max amount they are willing to spend/give, and often the amount expected is so steep?

I think step-SD, as Fancy would say, maybe have eyes bigger than their stomach or they have less than admirable tenancies.

Originally Posted by woodyboyd

I have had three women who worked for me as independent contractors who worked 40 hours a week, who were 9s and 10s both in terms of appearance and sexual skill, and I paid them $2000 to 3000 per month. Got that? I paid for a worker and got sex FOR FREE.

Not from me you wouldn’t have. I don’t shit where I eat – Ever.

Originally Posted by woodyboyd

That is what you are competing against now.

Not in your wildest dreams would I be competing with some women that gives what God gave her away for nothing or someone dumb enough to shit where she eats because in the wise words of woodyboyd……………..

Originally Posted by woodyboyd

Mixing sex and business didn't work out with the scheduled workers though.

Originally Posted by woodyboyd

the money for sex per hour concept is going to be burned down as well by the sex + work model…………………….. No one but a fool is going to pay $1000 per night for a girl

Just because you want prostitution to go down in flames doesn’t mean it will – Ever. It’s the oldest profession in the world, and it will be here long after cockroaches have gone extinct. I wasn’t paid $1,000 per night. I was paid that for a date. I was paid significantly more to spend the night.

Bravo! This:

Originally Posted by woodyboyd

A real sugar baby is one who will take my money for cleaning or some other task and NOT take money for sex.

……is the end game if being a SD or a SB is your game. People just are too unwilling to actually say it.

And then you blew it here……………

Originally Posted by woodyboyd

If you value my money more than my friendship, then you are a hooker, and I am not interested in having you as a sugar baby.

………………………because if you value your money more than you do me………..I ain’t interested. I have money of my own.

There’s an old saying, “Take you want says God. Take it and pay for it.” If you want a high value female, that’s not free. If a woman wants a high value male, that’s not free either. Nothing is……………..Take the situation below for an example:

Originally Posted by bigv123

I look for the girls that are working their asses off and not quite making ends meet. THOSE girl are going to be appreciative of each and every thing I do for them. The girls who EXPECT a man to pay their every bill and then shower them with luxuries and gifts is such a massive turn off that I can taste bile in my throat.

Why don’t you look for an equal that doesn’t need anything but caring from you? Because the converse of what you say, that being a man looking for a woman he can control with a grand a month is a massive turnoff to the point tasting bile for me.

The whole SD/SB thing is a power game. Earn your own living ladies and let love flourish where it will and let commerce flourish where it will. When the lines intersect, as they do in any relationship be open about it. Loving someone is the more important thing, but love doesn’t pay the bills. Money isn’t the most important thing in life, but it pays for the two most important things: your health and your family. Respect money not worship or chase it and you’ll be much happier, because in the end, it’s just a brass ring if the money is all you are interested in. End of Story.

[PleasantSurprise]

Yes Johnny. Thank you, it is more accurate now.

Food for thought, 1:

To quit or not to quit...

If a lady is attracted to older men and the finer things/experiences in life,
and she doesn't yet have a SD,
then for what reasons should she quit being a provider?

Food for thought, 2:

Hypothetical scenarios...

A guy wants a hot little body to fuck and he wants to prance around with some eye candy on his arm. Ok.
He wants a firm ass, perky rack, tight little pussy, etc. Ok.
Should I approach this man and say, "You know what, you should really consider Stephanie, I know she's 45 and a little on the heavy side, but she's really cool."

A lady wants an older man with graying hair and she wants to travel. Ok.
She financial support in the realm of 5k per month. Ok.
Should I approach this woman and say, "You know what, you should really consider Bill, he's 27 and has 1k per month for ya, I know it isn't what you want, but it's consistent."

As a boyfriend, client, or SD:
Is it OK or does it make him shallow to think about young tight little pussies? What about the older women? What about fat women?

As a girlfriend, provider, or SB:
Is it OK or does it make her shallow to think about what her SD would provide for her? What about the men who can't afford as much?

[woodyboyd]

Originally Posted by PleasantSurprise

when dating a boyfriend: whatever job I had at the time, I can't recall the discussion on doing something that would decrease my monthly income, so I maintained the number of hours I was working. Not to imply I wouldn't cut back, it just didn't come up.

This is the most reasonable explanation for elevated SB fees that I have seen, but IMO it still misses the mark. You are substituting doing something that is work versus doing something pleasurable with a SD. The notion "well it may be pleasurable for you but not for me and is therefore work" that was floated back in the 2010 thread I linked to was silly. Given market dynamics, I knew the price of companionship would fall like a stone, and it has.

There was then a discussion of wants and needs. The whole "needs" concept was championed by a guy named Whispers. His notion was that you could get a sugar baby on the cheap by focusing on her needs versus what she wanted. What I think is misunderstood though is that he was giving things of value (a place to stay, access to his credit) that didn't cost him money.

If a woman comes from out of town to work at a club and stays at my place, she is saving on the cost of a hotel room. Likewise if she is using my or some one else's professional services. In the past, guys would brag about how special they were that HDHs were taking services from them for free as if said women were royalty. And those days are gone.

Some women respect and value said services, but others don't. I cannot tell you how many times I have had to show to women, "Oh? You don't think said services are of value. Good, let me take them away and you can pay for them on your own."

You wrote that a SD gets to pay for whatever needs he feels like covering, and my response to that is "damned straight". Steve Jobs said it was harder to give away money than to make it, and it is completely true. The phrase "If you give man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a life time" is the cliched phrase, and it is true. The problem is in real life distinguishing between "giving fish" and "teaching how to fish" isn't clear cut.

With escorts, I am giving fish. If I pay an escort, $$$ an hour and she goes and blows it on cocaine, I likely won't know and won't care. That is her money and her decision. But if that is happening with a SB, who is my friend, I am going to feel responsible and awful.

That is the problem with escorts being SBs. There is no other explanation for a SD not giving you money when you want something outside of his being a cheap asshole.

If you pay for needs, people learn to get more needy. If a SB is having car trouble and needs her car fixed to go to work, I am lot more receptive to paying it versus "I need money for rent". One SB is learning to fish and the other is just taking it.

[Guest050715-1]

All the fish and fishing references boil down to this, neither side wants to feel used any more than they want someone to lord power over them. Like as in come to me with your money requests and I'll decide if I'm going to pay them or not under the pretext of teaching you how to fish. I see it from the men's side, it wouldn't kill you to at least try to see it from the woman's side.

[PleasantSurprise]

My uncle owns a local dry cleaner.

I make $18 an hour Monday through Thursday. I make $25 an hour if I work Friday Saturday Sunday. The hours available for me to work are 8:00am to 8:00pm. I can work up to 38 hours a week.

To maximize my income, I work 8:00am to 8:00pm every week on Friday Saturday Sunday. It generates me $900 a week, minus taxes. Or $3600 a month, minus taxes.

I have done the math, and each month I give $500 to my financial advisor to invest, use $2,000 to pay my bills, and the remaining I spend on my hair, nails, shopping, whatever my heart desires.

A boyfriend comes along and we hit it off. He works normal business hours Monday through Friday from 8:00am to 5:00pm. He knows I work weekends. He works around my schedule. We decide together we will go on dates Monday through Thursday after he gets off work. He keeps his job, I keep mine.

A Sugar Daddy comes along and we hit it off. He works normal business hours Monday through Friday from 8:00am to 5:00pm. He knows I work weekends. He doesn't want to work around my schedule. He wants dinner and a movie on Fridays, and he wants us to spend Saturdays and Sundays together. He keeps his job, but I would have to quit mine.

I am equally compatible with both men. Time spent together is equally as pleasurable with both.

The Sugar Daddy offers/is willing to provide me with $1000 a month.

Would you accept the offer?

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by PleasantSurprise

Would you accept the offer?

The guy's not a SD. He's a jerk that that cares only for himself and could care less about you and your needs. Sadly, there are women out there that would.

[Gotyour6]

A sugar daddy would not have you quit a job.

A sugar daddy would tell you there is no time for us to be together and it wouldn't work out, get his phone out and go "NEXT!"

So that scenario is moot.

I tell guys that get UTR hookers to dump them and get a real sugar baby. I would tell the woman or girl to dump him and get a real sugar daddy.

You girls still don't get it but that is expected. You see, money comes up first and you are doing the math to see if it is worth it lol.

That is your problem, that is what stops you, that is what drives you.

You don't let the money drive the relationship. You let the relationship work out and if he is a true sugar daddy then that kind of money is not an issue.

You want a client on retainer and he wants a hooker on one.

[Gotyour6]

If you want to know what a sugar daddy is.....

I invite anyone in the Rochester area to join me and my sugar baby for a weekend.

I will be staying at my cottage On Aug 7th through the 13th
The 12th is her 20th birthday and I am going to spoil the living shit out of her.
You want to see what a sugar daddy is then join me.

Dont want sex from you. I want to show you what it is meant to be.
No per month bullshit, no quit your job crap, no its all about the daddy BS
So put your time and money where your mouth is hookers. I am betting NO ONE takes me up on it because you will lose money.
Want to experience the life. This is your chance.

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