The new economy and the $80 escort (or "business is not slow")

[samantha thom]

Business is slow??? Really? I turn down a few appointment requests because I can only handle what I can handle. And I'm at $350! Girls who said business is slow must not be doing something right. These 19-year olds have their market and I have mine. And I never have to sacrifice safety and health out of desperation by doing stripper slide and having a guy dip his head in me (quoting OP) cause that is not what my clients look for or want anyway (It's nasty to me that OP bragged about this). THANK GOD!

[Randy4Candy]

And in summation.....

...we men here will spend our time and money doing whatever it is we want to do. All of the ladies here are who they are and will do who and what they want to do. The fun is getting like with like and the drama happens when opposites don't attract.

Repeat after me as many times as it takes to sink in: "This is recreational sex."

If it's not, then, well, hmmmmmmm - there are other "issues" at work.

[Randall Creed]

Besides, who's going to openly admit business is not doing so well?

[Naomi4u]

Originally Posted by Rambro Creed

Besides, who's going to openly admit business is not doing so well?

Join other boards. you will see that A LOT of ladies complaining about it being slow. I call BS on a lot of what's been posted here. I mean really though if business is GREAT there's no point of getting upset with LL. Let him AND his friends keep fucking the $80 chicks. We ($80 and $300an hour ladies) aren't catering to the same market/same guys so no worries. Can you compare Walmart and Saks fifth's business model? No way. I know guys that wouldn't want anything that's been/look like it's been --- "used/Banged up". They appreciate a lady that isn't out fucking 9/10 guys a day and takes damn good care of herself (emotionally/physically). I'm sure he's not fucking a supermodel lookalike at those rates. Some guys just need a warm wet hole to make their day. Understood'. I honestly don't see the points of insults here. Some guys appreciate the finer things in life and others care less for it. Variety is the spice of life. Maybe one day he'll decide to treat himself.

Yall have a grand ol day

xoxo,
Naomi

[LazurusLong]

Originally Posted by Naomi4u

I'm sure he's not fucking a supermodel lookalike at those rates.

Naomi,

I've been around and even way back on the ASPD days, there aren't any super model types on this or other boards.

Instead, we get a ton of tatted up somewhat attractive females, the vast majority of them who have issues we can't talk about including a ton of them with pimps who force them to do this and keep their cash so in reality they're fucking for less than you think.

As noted in a previous thread by someone else, your statement is more of a slam at other providers than me. Maybe you don't see how you are insulting someone else who is not charging what you think is the proper amount.

SO glad that you feel that your sucking a cock at a higher price makes you so much better than any other girl sucking a cock for less. Way to go on insulting other providers.

See, she's not on here bitching at you for being so pricey, why must so many of you consider us cheap or try to degrade the others for setting their own price different than yours?

Sounds like some bullshit union type talk if you ask me.

[lisa.lisa0302]

You know what my apologizes.

If cutie pie wants to $80 for her sessions....go for it.

I just don't understand the need for people to come here and scream from the roof tops that all ladies should be reasonable. We all are different.

[LovingKayla]

Something to consider that I don't think has been mentioned in this particular thread:

There are groups of clients at every price range. It is entirely plausible and accurate that a lady charging 350 is booked solid when a lady charging 80 is not. It has more to do with the number of, and kind of client at each level. (Please do not jump in and say I'm slamming guys that pay less, I am not.) What I AM saying is, the economy is flat terrible for MOST of these guys trying to support a family. Many are losing their jobs and still have to feed a family and get laid so they don't go crazy. They are left with only so many choices at the rates they can afford. It sucks and I'm really very sorry it's so terrible right now. (I'll save the Obama bashing but....)

Ladies you must see a piece of the puzzle that you may not have noticed or realize.


Most guys have had to step down a money level this last 2 years. The guys that were paying 300 can now only afford 200. The 200 guys can now only afford 100... and so on. HOWEVER, the $400-$600 guys (and there are a TON) have had to shift to the 300 and 350 level. THAT is one major reason the 300-400 an hour ladies are banking it right now. And also the reason the 80-170 are starving (the guys just can't afford it right now and the 350-600 will not see you if you cost less than X.) I had a very good friend that had a guy tell her he wanted to see her terribly bad but he wouldn't until she was 600 an hour.


Bashing is not necessary. It's business at every level.

[Naomi4u]

Originally Posted by LazurusLong

Naomi,

I've been around and even way back on the ASPD days, there aren't any super model types on this or other boards.

Lazurus,

There are a lot of supermodel types here. You just haven't been with them - I am going to guess that you cannot afford to be with them. $80 an hour is more your style and there is no supermodel lookalike in her right mind stupid enough to let you fuck her for that little. I've went through your reviews but not all... most of them are $100 sessions. You've never paid more than $200 for a session have you? How can you talk about something you don't know/someone you've never had?

Instead, we get a ton of tatted up somewhat attractive females, the vast majority of them who have issues we can't talk about including a ton of them with pimps who force them to do this and keep their cash so in reality they're fucking for less than you think.

Interesting love. I do not have tats (My body is my temple, I would never intentionally disfigure it), no piercings (only a classic ear), and I sure as hell am 100% independent. As for women with issues, you aren't going to group everyone in that category are you? . I have a lot of friends in this business. They're all independent ladies. I know their familes/their real names/they're all pimp free so the notion that the majority of the ladies here are being pimped is a bit absurd. Get out more honey.

As noted in a previous thread by someone else, your statement is more of a slam at other providers than me. Maybe you don't see how you are insulting someone else who is not charging what you think is the proper amount.

That is fine. It was not meant as an insult.

SO glad that you feel that your sucking a cock at a higher price makes you so much better than any other girl sucking a cock for less. Way to go on insulting other providers.

I think all women should charge more money. Escorting is wear and tear on the body and mind so yes I care less for ladies that charge $50 for backdoor entry or whatever else. Not only is escorting wear and tear on the body, there are certain aspects of this thing that aren't legal so yes I do believe that a lady should charge as much as she can GET. If those hot young things you're fucking were to come to me and ask for help, I'd market them for no less than $300 because I know there are a lot of men that will pay that - yes I said it. Oh and as for ladies having issues? It's because of men like you that take advantage of them at their low rates. How about you buy a wig and post an ad on the TS section of eros and charge $150. After you've gotten fucked by 10 guys a day for several months, report back to me .

See, she's not on here bitching at you for being so pricey, why must so many of you consider us cheap or try to degrade the others for setting their own price different than yours?

Bitching at me for being so pricey? Until my clients start complaining, I'm not changing a thing. You know the saying "If it ain't broken, don't fix it?"

BTW I don't care too much for whiney / superior hobbyists to be honest with you.

Sounds like some bullshit union type talk if you ask me.

There is no union in this thing of ours.

[hotlips_houlihan]

I think I have a girlie crush on Naomi

[L.A.]

Originally Posted by LovingKayla

Something to consider that I don't think has been mentioned in this particular thread:

There are groups of clients at every price range. It is entirely plausible and accurate that a lady charging 350 is booked solid when a lady charging 80 is not. It has more to do with the number of, and kind of client at each level. (Please do not jump in and say I'm slamming guys that pay less, I am not.) What I AM saying is, the economy is flat terrible for MOST of these guys trying to support a family. Many are losing their jobs and still have to feed a family and get laid so they don't go crazy. They are left with only so many choices at the rates they can afford. It sucks and I'm really very sorry it's so terrible right now. (I'll save the Obama bashing but....)

Ladies you must see a piece of the puzzle that you may not have noticed or realize.


Most guys have had to step down a money level this last 2 years. The guys that were paying 300 can now only afford 200. The 200 guys can now only afford 100... and so on. HOWEVER, the $400-$600 guys (and there are a TON) have had to shift to the 300 and 350 level. THAT is one major reason the 300-400 an hour ladies are banking it right now. And also the reason the 80-170 are starving (the guys just can't afford it right now and the 350-600 will not see you if you cost less than X.) I had a very good friend that had a guy tell her he wanted to see her terribly bad but he wouldn't until she was 600 an hour.


Bashing is not necessary. It's business at every level.

Rather than typing out my theories on the various price levels I'll just say what works for me. I've been in this hobby now for 10 years. I will pretty much ONLY see providers that are $200. Sometimes maybe a little less but never any that charge more. I perceive providers that are significantly below $200 to fall into a catagory that I'm not comfortable with (not counting less than 1 hour sessions). You can figure out all of the things I might perceive for a low price escort...once again this is only my perception. I have in the past paid more than $200 on a few rare occasions. After all is said and done I was no more thrilled with the $300 session than I was with the $200 session. I've found $200 to be my perfect level and I dont plan on straying from it.

There is another reason and this could be unique to me. I make pretty decent money. I do have a family, car payments, mortgage, etc. Financially 200-300 is not that big a deal. Taking that 200 using it for what I'm using it for takes some mental preparation. I've found some peace with myself and can usually rationalize spending that 200 on my own selfish needs. I still deal with buyer's remorse after most sessions (for lack of a better phrase). This has nothing to do with who I see as I always have a great time. While I probably have the means to hobby weekly I mentally cannot do so. Right now I can live with $200 sessions every once in a while and be able to balance my needs with my obligations and not torture myself for spending that money.

An example? Sure..why not lol I've got a crush on a beautiful latina provider on here. Her pics really do something for me and I enjoy her posting style. If her rate was $200 I have no doubt I would have seen her by now (and possibly multiple times) but her rate is significantly more than that. I'm sure she's worth that extra 100. But my comfort level in this hobby would be pushed to the limits if I were to pay that rate no matter how much I was attracted to her.

[LazurusLong]

Originally Posted by Naomi4u

Lazurus,
There are a lot of supermodel types here.

Really? Provide me a couple showcases as an example. Keep in mind that a tatted up overweight provider is NOT going to fit into that super model category. There may be plenty of women who want to charge what HDH girls should be charging but those women wouldn't make it in to the top 20 at a local beer peddling establishment bikini contest, let alone super model.

Here, for a refresher:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL_FMpE4zeU

Originally Posted by Naomi4u

Lazurus,
I've went through your reviews but not all... most of them are $100 sessions. You've never paid more than $200 for a session have you? How can you talk about something you don't know/someone you've never had?

You have no clue who I've seen before this site, back on ASPD, HD or the ones I never reviewed or the rates I have paid over the years I've been in the hobby. (FYI, my first hobby experience was in 1979 so that may shock you but it should give you an idea that MAYBE I have seen more than the $80-4100 girls I have reviewed here on ECCIE and probably know a bit more about this thing we call a hobby that someone who is a provider who claims to be what, 20?).

Just because I happen to NOW write reviews of the less expensive providers I have fun with off BP to share my research with those who may not have the funds to experiment and need to wait for a regular and established person to see her and post a review, that doesn't mean I don't see other ladies.

ASSumption is the mother fucker of all reasoning.

I may not be as well heeled now as I was a few years ago and as Kayla just mentioned, I am not the only one on this board in the same situation, but I do see Requests and ISO threads looking for the "super model" types and laugh when I see who responds or who is being suggested.

I also choose to review who I spend certain dollars on when I want to review but I hardly review everyone I see.

Once again, you're make an ASSumption that men who may think as I do about looks would somehow be so stupid as to have a hooker board handle associated with their hobby life away from any board. Why do you think so many ISO's are posted about EROS girls who look smoking hot or BP girls who actually look smoking hot? Do you think the paying clients on here would bother looking at EROS or other ad sites if these 'super model" type girls could deliver the looks and services regardless of the price?

Naomi4u, there are guys that don't ever write reviews because the moment they'd write a review of a 400-500 dollar girl, they'd get bombarded with begging messages offering specials and making outlandish claims that they have just a good a body as that other girl.

It happens. A lot.

Men who see and pay top dollar for a hot provider don't post reviews. I know a bunch of those guys and have for years. And guess what? Those providers they see aren't on here 24/7 insulting men like me and making specious arguments about who I see or what I pay or who I choose to review.

A client just posted an FYI thread about a HDH agency that is back in Dallas where the STARTING rate is 700/hr. Do you really think those ladies are "prison-style" tatted up? Or have bodies and looks that appear to have been rode hard and put away wet for a dozen years? Some that have been with that agency in the past HAVE been Sports Illustrated models. REAL print magazine models that haven't been in a porn movie or had an ad on a review board or TER.

You will NEVER see a review of them or even have a clue who they are or which clients on here choose to see them.

Here ya go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYpwAtnywTk

[Tiffani Jameson]

Originally Posted by Naomi4u

Join other boards. you will see that A LOT of ladies complaining about it being slow. I call BS on a lot of what's been posted here. I mean really though if business is GREAT there's no point of getting upset with LL. Let him AND his friends keep fucking the $80 chicks. We ($80 and $300an hour ladies) aren't catering to the same market/same guys so no worries. Can you compare Walmart and Saks fifth's business model? No way. I know guys that wouldn't want anything that's been/look like it's been --- "used/Banged up". They appreciate a lady that isn't out fucking 9/10 guys a day and takes damn good care of herself (emotionally/physically). I'm sure he's not fucking a supermodel lookalike at those rates. Some guys just need a warm wet hole to make their day. Understood'. I honestly don't see the points of insults here. Some guys appreciate the finer things in life and others care less for it. Variety is the spice of life. Maybe one day he'll decide to treat himself.

Yall have a grand ol day

xoxo,
Naomi

Can the church say AMEND!

There is nothing any man can say to get me to drop to $80. You let men that like that talk.

I told y'all not to feed the trolls. You don't win on threads like these...

[trynagetlaid]

When Naomi4u and LL run out of things to fight about, will a moderator please close this thread?

[guest031012]

Keep in mind, looks and level of attractiveness are SUBJECTIVE. While one might consider a girl a "super model," others may not.

And while we're on the topic, not every guy is looking for a supermodel. Some like the girl next door type, some like the nerdy type, some like short, some like tall, some (i know you might find this hard to believe Laz) like BBWs!

[HeadShaftBallsandAll]

Maybe all you ladies who want to charge more should form a union and go on strike! That will teach the cheap guys who's boss! "Hell No, We Won't Blow"! LOL