Trump calls for Mar-a-Lago affidavit release

[berryberry]

LOL - It appears this raid was, in fact, just about documents some butthurt political paper pushers at the National Archives were upset about. As even some on the left have opined: that is simply outrageous.

So to recap - only in a libtard's mind would:

boxes Trump didn’t pack,
with documents he de-classified,
which the FBI had access to,
which were in a private residence guarded by the Secret Service,
which were secured by the additional lock the FBI requested,
which had cameras that actually worked
are more damaging to National Security than the FBI interfering in THREE Presidential elections !!!

[eyecu2]

If The files were declassified, they be notated as such. They werent'.


Trump didn't have to pack them, they were requested returned. He didn't do that. If you take the governments shit and they want it back, you are supposed to return it. WHY didn't he? He's an idiot is why. Thinks no laws pertain to him.

All president's get SS guarding. One has nothing to do with the other. Meaning,- they don't guard trumps shit, they guard him.

All the puffery of BS, you spew about election fraud is just that- BS and Puffery. NOT ONE CASE of widespread fraud. -

[Salty Again]

... It's no "WIDESPREAD" fraud now, is it?

... Awhile back it was "No voter fraud" and now it's changed
to "No WIDESPREAD voter fraud" with the liberals.

... Why the change??

#### Salty

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

If The files were declassified, they be notated as such. They werent'.

WRONG - The idea that unelected bureaucrats, not POTUS, had final authority on declassifying documents / national security is laughable and can only be construed as an attempt to overthrow our entire democratic constitutional order. It's Vindman 2.0

Originally Posted by eyecu2

Trump didn't have to pack them, they were requested returned. He didn't do that.

WRONG - I guess you missed where back in February he let them come in and take whichever documents they wanted - 15 boxes of them

Originally Posted by eyecu2

All president's get SS guarding. One has nothing to do with the other. Meaning,- they don't guard trumps shit, they guard him.

WRONG YET AGAIN - Congress gives former presidents secure office space (SCIFs), staff, security clearances, and Secret Service protection.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong all the time?

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... It's no "WIDESPREAD" fraud now, is it?

... Awhile back it was "No voter fraud" and now it's changed
to "No WIDESPREAD voter fraud" with the liberals.

... Why the change??

#### Salty

Salty

Libtards lie, plain and simple. They know the facts are not on their side so they lie.

Remember how they first claimed it was OMG Trump has our Nuclear Secrets (ignoring by the way the dementia addled vegetable currently in the White House actually has the nuclear codes). Yep they lied

Then "No voter fraud" - now that it has been shown there was lots of voter fraud they change to "No Widespread Voter Fraud"

Or Hunter's laptop was Russian Disinformation to now well yeah Hunter's laptop is real but who cares

Or the whole Russia Hoax perpetrated by Hillary and the libtards



Libtards are not serious people. They have proven that time and time again with their lies

[luv2sixtynine69]

Funny, Trump wanted to lock Hillary up for less…. But now that trump has been caught hoarding classified information in boxes at his house and far more documents than Hillary was ever accused of keeping on her server it’s suddenly no big deal.

Projection at its finest

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... It's no "WIDESPREAD" fraud now, is it?

... Awhile back it was "No voter fraud" and now it's changed
to "No WIDESPREAD voter fraud" with the liberals.

... Why the change??

#### Salty

Not really a change. "No fraud" has been shorthand for "no widespread fraud that would have had a material impact on the election" aka "no widespread fraud. That was determined, confirmed and publicly shared by multiple members of the Trump administration at the time. Yet some folks conflate that with zero instances of fraud so they can strawman the argument and sleep at night after drinking their Trump vodka and sleeping in their Trump sheets while listening to The Art of the Deal on tape.

Folks have been aware that the majority of fraud proven to date in the 2020 election has been exceptionally small as a proportion in the grand scheme of how many votes were cast, and they have overwhelmingly been Republicans and conservative-leaning fraudsters.

That aside, because it's off topic... Trump should just stop being a pussy and release the tapes of the raid. Give you all the transparency you're looking for.

It sounds like they found documents in a few places beyond that storage room, which begs the question of what the fat fuck was doing with them outside a legit, authorized area like a SCIF.

With how porous the security is at Mar-a-Lago that is very concerning.

Using some of your favorite whattaboutisms regarding about email servers, and stuffed ballot boxes, there's substantial concern that the fake Rothschilds and multiple Chinese women that got onto the property show that any competent foreign agency had access to Trump and his secrets... and by extension... our secrets.

[Salty Again]

... You must be following the liberal media again.
How sad... ... The "nuke codes at mar-a-lago" media.

And the records kept at Trump's place would be
A LOT more secure - cameras and guards - then they
might be with the National Archives.

Since obviously - The archives people seem unsure
of what President Trump had - and what THEY have.

WHY the redactions? ... Show the American people
the full thing... What does the FBI have to hide?

... Maybe MORE lies.

#### Salty

[DrivesAllDay]

The whole thing is "We gotta find something to keep him from running again". Wait till they find a speeding ticket Trump got back in 1985!! Heads will roll !!!!! LOL

[berryberry]

When the libtards claim these so called “classified” things were at Mar-A Lago nothing about them leaked in 19 months. They been with the FBI for two weeks and the contexts of them are leaking to the media and who knows who else daily.

Exactly who is the national security risk again?

[berryberry]

Unsealed Mar-a-Lago search warrant affidavit reveals the government has no case against Trump

When two dozen or more FBI agents searched former President Trump’s residence three weeks ago, most Americans initially were left wondering what in the world must Trump have done. After all, a prodigious FBI search logically indicates an equally prodigious violation of some federal statute; therefore, it must be really serious. One former Department of Justice (DOJ) official told Politico that the evidence sought “was likely so pulverizing in its force” that it would “eviscerate” the possibility of the optics for such an invasive law enforcement action not being good.

Well, it’s now pretty official: The optics aren’t good.

Everyone in America, from plumber to president, is constitutionally protected from a government search that lacks adequate cause.

We now know why the DOJ wanted the affidavit — which is supposed to articulate the probable cause needed for a legitimate search — to be kept under seal. After the magistrate who authorized the search forced the DOJ to unseal a redacted version, two realities came into better focus.

First, the affidavit confirmed that the FBI’s investigation was triggered in January 2022 at the request of the National Archives, which wanted certain documents, especially classified documents, that it considered to be presidential records to be turned over to it by Trump. Second, from what I have seen, I don’t believe the affidavit articulates how a federal law was or is being broken. For those who hold out hope that the affidavit’s redacted sections fill that gap, there is almost no chance that they do. (More on that below.)

As to the first point, this matter is, as suspected, nothing more than a document dispute that was chugging along, appropriately, as a negotiation behind the scenes and apparently making some progress. I don’t see anything in the affidavit asserting a refusal by Trump to cooperate.

Any clinging hope — in certain quarters — that the affidavit possessed “pulverizing” cause to believe Trump was engaged in a truly serious federal violation can — I think — be considered dashed. The pipe dream that Trump was engaged in espionage, actively providing secrets to an enemy I think is as fanciful as the Steele dossier’s Moscow hotel bed reverie. And, no, I don’t believe a smoking gun of espionage or something equally shocking will be in the redacted sections. If the FBI had that, it would have fronted that in the unredacted portions.

As to the second and more important point, the affidavit’s probable cause statements focus on only half of what is needed to show a possible violation of the federal statutes that are cited in the warrant. The affidavit does a reasonable job of establishing cause to believe Trump possessed a range of classified materials — or at least once-classified materials — and that those materials were located in his residence.

But that’s not all that’s needed — in this case in particular. A criminal violation of those statutes only exists if it can be established that the person being investigated was not authorized to possess, store, transfer or copy those documents. This is an easy element to establish against anyone in America. Except one person.

The unredacted parts of the affidavit make no attempt to articulate cause that Trump was not authorized to have these documents in his home. The reason is that, as president, he had broad, legally intimidating authority, established by law and court determinations, to declassify any and all documents and to determine what is and is not a presidential record. Trump and his legal team have asserted that this authority was exercised while he was still president. Therefore, a violation of these fairly low-level and seldom-prosecuted document-oriented statutes cannot be proven.

I don’t think there’s much chance that the affidavit’s redacted portions contain some novel legal theory undercutting this broad, well-established presidential authority. Affidavits for intrusive searches of a private home — the most extreme action the government can take against a resident of the United States, short of arrest — are not the place for advancing theories. Probable cause must be built on facts.

The redacted sections are considerable. Redaction is supposed to be utilized only to protect sensitive methods and techniques — in other words, how the government came by its information that it doesn’t want to publicly divulge so it can keep using those tactics or protect providers of information. A good and prudent example would be the use of confidential human and/or technical sources. A bad example would be citing press reports, a la the Carter Page Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act affidavit.

The redacted portions therefore, normally, will simply cover how the FBI supported its assertions in the unredacted sections that Trump possessed classified materials in his residence — i.e., what confidential or sensitive sources were used to establish those facts. Don’t expect anything more.

The situation does not look good for the government. The Ivy League-educated attorneys of the DOJ had to know this adventure had little chance of an eventual successful prosecution. The use, therefore, of a highly intrusive search of a home simply as a forcing function to retrieve documents for the National Archives — and then not follow through with actual charges — spikes the potential abuse needle dramatically and will not help quiet the growing suspicion that this was more of a political hitjob to take Trump off the chessboard than it was the pursuit of blind justice.

I am often asked if the FBI had no choice but to pursue the National Archives request and open a case. Yes, it had a choice and, no, it didn’t have to open this investigation. The FBI declines to initiate cases involving more serious violations all the time.

The platitudinous justification from Democrats is “No one is above the law” — but we know that’s not true. The last time the Democrats controlled the DOJ, Hillary Clinton was set high aloft and placed out of reach of “reasonable” prosecution by then-FBI Director James Comey with the concurrence of the DOJ. Even Comey noted that she was clearly not authorized to possess highly classified documents on a private server.

Politicians on both the right and left say bombastic things that inflame passions and drive opposition attempts to eliminate competition. But involving our justice system in politically tainted efforts can never be tolerated. No citizen of this land, no matter who they are, should be subjected to a law enforcement action where there is an absence of evidence that anything illegal occurred.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

Fool me once, sham on you!
Fool me 15,876 times, and I'm probably wearing a MAGA Hat.

Originally Posted by eyecu2

What will tomorrow's conspiracy spin be about the maroon a lagoon affidavit? That Hilary told the DOJ to look in that scary box closet in the basement?

It will show enough damning language about assertions of intentional design to keep documents that are of the highest level security that were never declassified...but what will be the one that fucks Trump in his Ass? The one that shows how he blatantly disregarded Pat Cipilone instructions to return the secret or higher documents? Or something worse?? I bet worse.

Originally Posted by HDGristle

T R E 4 5 O N

These takes seem to have aged really well

The Washington Post - ""That review has not found any apparent business advantage to the types of classified information in Trump’s possession, these people said. FBI interviews with witnesses so far, they said, also do not point to any nefarious effort by Trump to leverage, sell or use the government secrets. Instead, the former president seemed motivated by a more basic desire not to give up what he believed was his property, these people said."

[HDGristle]

Disagree. The TRE450N post still has solid play and is just as hilarious today

[eyecu2]

I like the quote of "fool me once -shame on you, fool me 15,876 times, - I'm probably wearing a MAGA hat.

Special Council -Jack Smith will likely have a lot more to say in a few months- I heard he's bringing Hillary Clinton & Leticia James on his investigation team.

BTW- How's that Durham investigation rolling these days??

Haven't heard a peep.