Afghan massacre

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by CJ7

chasing them around THE DAMN WORLD and breaking the budget in the interim IS allowing them to FUCK with us. Bin Ladens claim was to break our economy, Guess what? Those bastards dont have a Navy or an Air Force or a massive, fully armed Army to invade this country , and wouldn't if they could. Use Space images, predator drones, and covert ground intel (spies) to watch everything they do. One rocket from one drone aimed at one specific target (man) works a hell of a lot better than kicking down doors for $12 billion a month and 4000 soldiers lives.

Give me the $$ we spent in the mid east over the last decade and I can sew this place up so tight a hummingbird couldnt shit without us knowing it.

the age old "better there than here" is no longer a viable concept when "there" is EVERYWHERE.

That actually sounds pretty good in theory. I'm not sure we could get the level of human intelligence needed in order to implement that sort of strategy. We'd definitely have to take off all of the restrictions we've put on the CIA.

The Democrats just about made it impossible for the CIA to do their job back in the seventies with the Church Committee. Then Clinton's justice department compounded the problem by making it impossible for the CIA and the FBI to share intelligence.

Our human intelligence in recent years has proven to be almost completely unreliable.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by CJ7

an entire country officially breaking the peace like Japan did is entirely different.

thats a conventional war

isolated attcks by splinter cells is just that.


if we used the "at fault" logic why didnt Bush bomb Saudi" 11 of the 15 9-11 terrorists were from Saudi

any gusses?

Yeah. When nations go to war, they attack where the enemy is not where he ain't. The enemy was IN Afghanistan, not Saudi Arabia! Those eleven you speak of were trained and given their marching orders in Afghanistan.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

That actually sounds pretty good in theory. I'm not sure we could get the level of human intelligence needed in order to implement that sort of strategy. We'd definitely have to take off all of the restrictions we've put on the CIA.

The Democrats just about made it impossible for the CIA to do their job back in the seventies with the Church Committee. Then Clinton's justice department compounded the problem by making it impossible for the CIA and the FBI to share intelligence.

Our human intelligence in recent years has proven to be almost completely unreliable.

our intel is by far easier and cheaper to fix than the way we're approaching the problem right now.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Yeah. When nations go to war, they attack where the enemy is not where he ain't. The enemy was IN Afghanistan, not Saudi Arabia! Those eleven you speak of were trained and given their marching orders in Afghanistan.

what part of THERE IS EVERYWHERE confuses you?

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Yeah. When nations go to war, they attack where the enemy is not where he ain't. The enemy was IN Afghanistan, not Saudi Arabia! Those eleven you speak of were trained and given their marching orders in Afghanistan.

I think that the enemy is in Saudi Arabia along with every other Islamic country in the world. The Saudi's are funding Wahhabist madrassas all over the world. Wahhabism is the most popular form of Islam in Saudi Arabia and is extremely fundamentalist. A lot of the Taliban have been indoctrinated in Wahhabism by Saudi funded madrassas in Pakistan.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by CJ7

our intel is by far easier and cheaper to fix than the way we're approaching the problem right now.

That was Rumsfeld's plan for Iraq. Minimize the footprint in country and rely on technology. So you are putting yourself in good company.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

That was Rumsfeld's plan for Iraq. Minimize the footprint in country and rely on technology. So you are putting yourself in good company.

PLAN?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RpSv3HjpEw



errrr, no thanks.

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by CJ7

our intel is by far easier and cheaper to fix than the way we're approaching the problem right now.

You may be right. But we're probably going to have to use a combination of surgical drone strikes, assassinations and special ops along with messy less surgical operations that necessarily produce civilian casualties.

I don't think we can allow Iran to go nuclear. They're completely crazy. The only way to stop their nuclear program is probably going to be bunker buster bombs to take out their fortified facilities. I just don't think we should go in and occupy afterwards. The so called Pottery Barn policy of we broke it so we have to pay for it is stupid. The new policy should be you forced us to break it; it's your problem.

[CJ7]

Iran is totally crazy. So was Kim J.

both IMO, are/were chest pounding. Neither are crazy enough to start a Nuclear war they cant even begin finish. They wouldnt live long enough to see the results of their first hit. Iran lacks the gepgraphy capable of hiding enough long range, nuclear warfare missiles, and unless Im mistaken couldnt get their hands on them without us knowing it if they did. They are worthy of our dedicated attention no doubt, and most certainly our chest pounding in return, but Im less than sure about any more than that.

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by CJ7

Iran is totally crazy. So was Kim J.

both IMO, are/were chest pounding. Neither are crazy enough to start a Nuclear war they cant even begin finish. They wouldnt live long enough to see the results of their first hit. Iran lacks the gepgraphy capable of hiding enough long range, nuclear warfare missiles, and unless Im mistaken couldnt get their hands on them without us knowing it if they did. They are worthy of our dedicated attention no doubt, and most certainly our chest pounding in return, but Im less than sure about any more than that.

There's regular crazy and then there's Islamist crazy. I really think the leadership (if you can call it that) of Iran is determined to hit Israel with a nuke as soon as they have the ability. They're so crazy, they don't much care what happens after that.

Many of the Iranians are believers in the twelvth Iman, or Mahdi, he's supposed to come back when the world is in complete chaos. He's supposedly been hiding for several hundred years. Does that sound crazy to you? So, the theory is that the Iranians are motivated to nuke Israel to cause chaos and trigger the return of the Mahdi. This will bring about the restoration of the Caliphate and we'll all live under worldwide Sharia law.

There's an awful lot of missiles in the world capable of going from Iran to Israel. Sooner or later Iran will buy one (or a bunch of them), if they haven't already, or they'll make one, probably with North Korean assistance.

Maybe Ahmadinejad is just bluffing but I don't think we can take that chance, and I don't think Israel is willing to take that chance.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

I think that the enemy is in Saudi Arabia along with every other Islamic country in the world. The Saudi's are funding Wahhabist madrassas all over the world. Wahhabism is the most popular form of Islam in Saudi Arabia and is extremely fundamentalist. A lot of the Taliban have been indoctrinated in Wahhabism by Saudi funded madrassas in Pakistan.

All of that is true, but the ones who perpetrated the attack on 9/11 were sponsored and trained by individuals headquartered in Afghanistan.

Regarding an over-dependence on technology: During 'Operation Desert Fox', December 1998, Clinton approved 600 bomber sorties and 415 Cruise missiles over a four day period to disrupt Saddam's weapons program. It had no impact on Saddam's regime. Senior Iraqi opinion: "No one is as good at absorbing U.S. precision munitions as Iraq. So if that's all the Americans have got, it's not a threat to our national survival."

Furthermore, U.S.' recent over-reliance on SIGINT and satellites missed the organization and deployment of Saddam's Fadayeen forces, and satellites could not definitively determine there were no WMD in Iraq.

[Ernest Heming]

My son is there, and it has me totally fucked up! I fear for his life every day! No way to explain it any different.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Ernest Heming

My son is there, and it has me totally fucked up! I fear for his life every day! No way to explain it any different.

My hopes and prayers are with you and your son.

[Cpalmson]

That Sgt is an American hero. His acts will accelerate our departure from that God-forsaken piece of crap country. He eliminated 16 potential terrorists. Don't put him on trial, give him a big old medal. BTW, Bush's mistake was that he should have nuked those bastards 2 days after 9/11. We shouldn't have wasted the lives of our soldiers and the billions of dollars we wasted. We should have just made Kabul and Khandahar nuclear wastelands. Our parting shot out there should be to carpet bomb the whole fucking country with pork products.

[CuteOldGuy]

Yeah. That'll teach 'em! And you know the children he shot might have become terrorists. Damn them for being upset that we are occupying their country for no discernible reason. Bomb them into the stone age, then they will know our way of life is superior.