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Old 09-06-2011, 04:49 PM   #76
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I'll get right on that remote.

Many thanks. Unable to get "Charlie Chan in the Case of the Scarlet Claw" off pause.
Oh man, this is a serious emergency! I'm going to have to use the hot glue gun for this one...
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Old 09-06-2011, 10:02 PM   #77
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Kids that think they know it all ... Then they fall on their face ... THEN they think know it all just to fall on their face again .... THEN they know they know it all ... And yes they fall on their face again irritate me. And nothing you can say is gunna leave me raging for five seconds? You think I'm being uncivil and raging ... I think you must be ... Why would you think I care ... I'm just waiting for my move on words with friends. Just sit back and learn man. You have years ahead of you to sit back and realize how silly you were when you were 21 ... You don't have to know it all and have the whole world figured out ... It's really ok. I thought you might be fun till you decided you wanted to show us how smart you were.
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Old 09-06-2011, 11:11 PM   #78
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Where is DeAnna, she could take care of this.
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Old 09-07-2011, 12:50 AM   #79
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So could a Mod, but closing a stupid thread like this would make too much sense. I for one think that his membership has run its course. Hey, maybe he could interview DeAnna or Lily...or how about the Axe Mama with her pet chickens!
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Old 09-07-2011, 06:18 AM   #80
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...or how about the Axe Mama with her pet chickens!
Damn! I really miss our former resident smartass!
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Old 09-07-2011, 06:34 AM   #81
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Damn! I really miss our former resident smartass!
Ah, yes that would be most informative interview. Grasshopper would have much to learn from her. Of course, could also result in abandonment of project and deviation to writing of haiku. Much safer.
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Old 09-07-2011, 07:13 AM   #82
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Damn! I really miss our former resident smartass!
Well.... it is football season... and the T I G E R S are rated #2....

.... So we might have a shot at Gitten 'er back for at least a lil while!
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Old 09-07-2011, 07:50 AM   #83
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Man those tigers looked good ... Fun times coming in sec west!
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Old 09-07-2011, 11:22 AM   #84
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Thanks for the voice of interest.

Heh. Funny story: I used to job shadow as a journalist, but the more I looked into journalism the less regard I had for it.

If you want to look at my writing from a social and political perspective, consider this: my generation first became aware of politics during two events, the Witch Hunt for Bill Clinton and the takedown of the twin towers. We are the generation living under the auspices of our parents crack habits, the insane cycle of debt that's been catered especially to exploit young people our age. We were raised in the era where dissent is conflated with treason, and shadowy corporate lobbies skim millions from back room deals while kids get taken to prison for a small amount of a soft drug.
The "witch hunt" of Bill Clinton resulted in the impeachment of a sitting president in 1998. Let's see if I can make my old brain do the math. 2011 take off 1998 equals 13. That make syou 8 at the time.

The twin towers came down on 9/11/01/ Let's see if I can do the math there. 2011 -2001 = 10 and you said you're 21 so that puts you 11 years old at the time.

So you became politically aware between 8 and 11 years old (as did your entire generation)?? That's some trick. I'll bet I can ask 100 of "your generation" who the vice president of the United States is and less than 1/2 will be able to tell me, that's how "politically aware" your generation is.

You complain about the debt and yet your generation lines up for their Pell Grants and government guaranteed student loans. If your generation had any backbone and meant what you say they'd scream en masse "We don't need your stinking handouts, we'll do it on our own!!" (while lining up to attend state supported universities).

Don't even pretend to lecture me on debt my young padawan.

These are just a couple of examples of why you're not being taken seriously.

You also said at one point you're writing a "novel". Novel = Fiction, in case you didn't know. (and you really don't have to have an MFA in writing to know that one) So what is it you're writing? A novel or something else?

Are you published? (I am) Do you know the industry? (I do, and Createspace doesn't count). Do a little research and tell me in the last two decades how many published book authors there are that are under 25.

Writing is hard work. When you've finished your writing and gone through a half dozen revisions and editing, the work is just beginning because now you have to sell the thing to an agent. You don't have an agent? Unless you're published, you're not going to get one unless lightening strikes and you get insanely lucky. Without an agent you're right back to the Createspace and Publish America venues and, unless you have an even bigger bolt of lightening strike and your book there is insanely successful, you've just signed your death warrant as far as representation or a major house is concerned.

Don't even begin to start in with me on how it doesn't matter anymore because of the digital age and Kindle and Amazon. It DOES matter and it WILL CONTINUE TO MATTER if you wish to take your craft seriously.

I'm in my mid-50's. I've been 21. You've never been 50. Stop acting like you have all the answers when you don't even know what the questions are yet. I don't mean to pile on but if you were my son (who, BTW, is older than you are) I'd sit you down and tell you the same thing.

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Old 09-07-2011, 12:29 PM   #85
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@ksjack

I don't claim to have all the answers, nor do I claim to know everything about everything.

I am merely making idle conversation and responding to questions as they are asked. Someone asked me what motived me, my response was to say idealism. They asked me to expound upon it, so I did in a very off the cuff was typical of internet conversations. Someone talked about looking at the idea of such a novel from a sociological perspective, so I weighed in on that in an equally casual, if wordy, fashion. Were I to sit and put serious thought into my responses you'd get something a bit more carefully measured, weighed, and moderate, but this is just casual internet discussion.

I do appreciate your suggestions a great deal though: I've submitted a few novels to a company asking for submissions for their setting so that I can at least acquire an agent and have on my resume that I at least have something published by a serious company. I'm not too big on digital publishing myself simply because it reeks of fan fiction wankery and I don't want to pull a Christopher Paolini.

I am grateful for the advice though.

@Revive, Bimbo, giteneny

We are making mere casual internet conversation in a topic you don't have to read or respond to if you don't care to, on the board appropriate to it, and within the guidelines as posted by the site. If you can't handle that I'm not sure what to tell you. Is this normal?
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Ah, yes that would be most informative interview. Grasshopper would have much to learn from her. Of course, could also result in abandonment of project and deviation to writing of haiku. Much safer.
I'm guessing that Pamela, as a cougar (as opposed to her beloved Tigers), would make the cub's eyes roll back into his head, he'd get a first hand education about the hobby, learn some new skills, and probably forget about writing altogether.

BTW, did anyone ever wonder why they have those signs at the zoo that say, "Don't feed the animals"?
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Old 09-07-2011, 01:27 PM   #87
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Damn! I really miss our former resident smartass!
She wasn't just a smartass, she was a jackass!!
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Old 09-07-2011, 02:05 PM   #88
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BTW, did anyone ever wonder why they have those signs at the zoo that say, "Don't feed the animals"?
Lol ark ... That was prolly aimed at both of us but still made me giggle
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Old 09-07-2011, 04:17 PM   #89
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I'm guessing that Pamela, as a cougar (as opposed to her beloved Tigers), would make the cub's eyes roll back into his head, he'd get a first hand education about the hobby, learn some new skills, and probably forget about writing altogether.

BTW, did anyone ever wonder why they have those signs at the zoo that say, "Don't feed the animals"?

Chan has from time wondered why sign is turned toward the people.
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Old 09-08-2011, 07:08 AM   #90
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Tell, if nothing else I doubt your writer's cred. You are very late to this game. There are plenty of blogs/ authors with more credibility and appeal to tell the story than anyone from the outside. Have a look at http://girlwithaonetrackmind.blogspot.com/ as a starting place.

Technicians ghost other people's stories. Journalists write about other peoples stories. WRITERS tell their own and are usually not interested in the pickings left by those who actually live the story.

Go read a copy of Steven Pressfield's War of Art. Then remember that ***waving his hand gently*** "You do not want to sell me death sticks (or write someone else's story). You want to go home and rethink your life."
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