Negotiation ok or not

[FunInDFW]

Originally Posted by BlacksmithRay50

Ha, creed typed that as i was typing mine, and no, creed didn't PM me, but that's funny.

You don't want him to. His private messages involve him asking about your sexuality and if you want to hook up.

[Barrymccockinner]

I don't get it. This is a disposable income type of hobby. If a $50 difference in price makes a significant difference to you, you're probably in the wrong hobby. If it's worth you potentially upsetting the provider or making her feel devalued you're in the wrong hobby. Personally, I avoid providers that charge over 300 not because I can't afford it, but because there are too many great options in the 250-300 price point. But I would just personally never haggle about it.

[Analeese]

I am gonna say I agree about the tweens charging 300 or 400 an hour...it's dumb IMO...

But at the sane time its not.... They clearly know their tween bodies are desired... Whether the service is great or not... They know there are hundreds if not thousands of guys here that are looking for exactly what they are offering...and they and any pimp involved is profiting off it like a motherfucker...

Their service is mostly poor due to lack of experience and just not giving a shit about anything but the $$$ and its being overlooked because they have a tight young body ....

I've worked my ass off .... Since I joined this community in 09 and I'm at 250/hr for GFE and 300/hr for fetishes....and I still feel my GFE rate should be higher....

I'm not the ugliest here or the largest...I don't rush..I'm very kind and considerate of my clients and their wants and needs and making sure they're relaxed in my presence and leave a happy person wanting to come back for another visit....I am smart and hold a really good conversation about a variety of things that most of my clients and I can relate to..im genuine, sincere and very open about my real self and how I am as a person.....you can't find that experience with just anyone... And especially not with every provider you come across...

But because of my size and age... Going higher would really affect my business... Because you guys put a price on what a girl looks like, how much she weighs or how old she is...

If y'all wanna keep having a fucked up time and wasting your earned hard money...go right in ahead and do that... But you'll get burned out if this hobby too and spending on girls that couldn't care less about offering a real GFE or providing the service to match a 300 price tag.

[Analeese]

Originally Posted by ManSlut

Thank you Capitana Obviousa, I am aware what created this threAD.

I'm guessing you didn't read who wrote Post #2?...smh

And yet still nothing of value except snide remarks....
If you're aware if who created this thread.... Then your brain would comprehend its purpose is not a threAD...but for the OP to rant...

Don't you have some ManSlutting you can do...or more kitty avatars you can go find elsewhere?

[Barrymccockinner]

It's what we're paying for. Looks and service. The reality is most guys here can fuck their SO for free. But in most cases they are looking for something they're not getting at home. A hot, young tight body is definitely part of it. Don't hate on the girl who's taking advantage of this. That said, there is something to be said for a mature provider with good services. It's just that the demand is lower and so the price point is different. The idea of fucking a hot 18 year old is more appealing in general than fucking an above average mature lady. It is what it is. But then, certain services and reputations make a mature lady surpass the demand when looking at outer beauty by itself.

Originally Posted by Analeese

I am gonna say I agree about the tweens charging 300 or 400 an hour...it's dumb IMO...

But at the sane time its not.... They clearly know their tween bodies are desired... Whether the service is great or not... They know there are hundreds if not thousands of guys here that are looking for exactly what they are offering...and they and any pimp involved is profiting off it like a motherfucker...

Their service is mostly poor due to lack of experience and just not giving a shit about anything but the $$$ and its being overlooked because they have a tight young body ....

I've worked my ass off .... Since I joined this community in 09 and I'm at 250/hr for GFE and 300/hr for fetishes....and I still feel my GFE rate should be higher....

I'm not the ugliest here or the largest...I don't rush..I'm very kind and considerate of my clients and their wants and needs and making sure they're relaxed in my presence and leave a happy person wanting to come back for another visit....I am smart and hold a really good conversation about a variety of things that most of my clients and I can relate to..im genuine, sincere and very open about my real self and how I am as a person.....you can't find that experience with just anyone... And especially not with every provider you come across...

But because of my size and age... Going higher would really affect my business... Because you guys put a price on what a girl looks like, how much she weighs or how old she is...

If y'all wanna keep having a fucked up time and wasting your earned hard money...go right in ahead and do that... But you'll get burned out if this hobby too and spending on girls that couldn't care less about offering a real GFE or providing the service to match a 300 price tag.

[Tsmokies]

Lol....Ana is on a roll ��

[Analeese]

I'm not hating at all....hell I even said it wasn't dumb at the same time.. Because...they know what they're doing....someone taught them to either not set a price in their WW or set the 300 or 400 mark.... Because there are lots of men who have that kind of money here and want to bang a teenage girl with a teenage body.... Aren't we all living out fantasies in one way or another here?

But it won't last forever...

And don't ever think that a mature provider is not in high demand...

I've become more sought after than I ever was when I was 20 something... since I am in my 30s (im actually 31 and one of the few escorts who probably advertise her real age) I'll show proof if anyone wants to see that too.

I pop up in different searches when guys are looking for what they desire... Sometimes it's because I'm in my 30s, sometimes its service or eye color or body type...

There is something here for everyone.... WALDT...so instead of ranting about what you can't have or can't afford...go look for what you can.

[milfy2002]

Analeese you practically took the words right out of my mouth.

SOMETHING about a lady should make her time worth the requested ​donation but you can't have your cake and eat it too.

You want an hour with a tight young barely legal, that's awesome! If looks are everything to you I'm willing to bet it's worth $300 whether she has any BCD skills or not.

You want a passionate mutually enjoyable experience with an actual adult lady, go for someone with a reputation for being real; she may have a mommy tummy or a few extra pounds but her time will be well worth $250/300 per hour to you.

You want a tight young hot body, BCD skills that leave you begging for mercy, and excellent TCB? You better be ready to pony up $400/500 per hour for that shit!

Pick a price point you can afford but don't get all butt hurt when don't end up with champagne on a beer budget.

As far as negotiating goes, if you truly visit a lady on a regular basis and are not a pain in the ass, after a couple visits you should feel free to talk about it, but don't expect every lady to be open to it. Definitely don't start off your first email to her with a request to negotiate.

Personally I've got a specials page on my site because it's a great way to offer something for everyone, and I offer my regulars a lower rate because it's a nice thing to do for friends I that truly enjoy visiting time and time again.

[Analeese]

Originally Posted by BlacksmithRay50

But with that said, I did want to say to Analeese that I know what she's refering, I didn't try to haggle her price, I misunderstood her special. Once she explained it I apoligized and all was right in the world again. At least that's the way I remember it. Maybe I was a jackass and didn't know it, but I don't think I was. I've made that mistake before too.

The back and forth was argumentative IMO....I told you no hard feelings..

I'm the type of person who can state how I feel... Address it...see if there will be a proper outcome to make both parties happy... And then move on...

Why I said no hard feelings...it was clear you misunderstood... But our conversation alone should show you how haggling, negotiating or questioning what a lady says about her rate can affect the entire process of even getting to meet with a provider ...

Again no grudge here...it is what it is...

[Laura Lynn]

Originally Posted by Barrymccockinner

It's what we're paying for. Looks and service. The reality is most guys here can fuck their SO for free. But in most cases they are looking for something they're not getting at home. A hot, young tight body is definitely part of it. Don't hate on the girl who's taking advantage of this. That said, there is something to be said for a mature provider with good services. It's just that the demand is lower and so the price point is different. The idea of fucking a hot 18 year old is more appealing in general than fucking an above average mature lady. It is what it is. But then, certain services and reputations make a mature lady surpass the demand when looking at outer beauty by itself.

That is a serious matter of opinion but hey WALDT. Lol.

This thread is about it being ok to negotiate, no it's never ok.

Personally I think life would be so much easier if ladies would be all inclusive. When I offered greek, I didn't up charge. "I enjoy it, so why charge extra?" was (still is) my thought. But as it was said earlier, if $50 is keeping you from seeing a lady then this hobby is not for you. Take up golf. I hear golf is fun. 😙

[BLM69]

I say hobby as you please, there's something here for everybody and at every budget

[milfy2002]

There are so many all inclusive ladies here at so many different price points that there is no need to approach a lady and negotiate.

Attempting to negotiate sets a certain tone, akin to if a waitress knows you're a shitty tipper you're likely to get sub par service or the kitchen or wait staff may even do something nasty to your food.

Even at our RW jobs we are prone to perform poorly if underpaid and we will seek an employer that values our worth and compensates us to our satisfaction and we will perform and stay loyal to them. Why should it be any different here?

[Analeese]

Originally Posted by milfy2002

There are so many all inclusive ladies here at so many different price points that there is no need to approach a lady and negotiate.

Attempting to negotiate sets a certain tone, akin to if a waitress knows you're a shitty tipper you're likely to get sub par service or the kitchen or wait staff may even do something nasty to your food.

Even at our RW jobs we are prone to perform poorly if underpaid and we will seek an employer that values our worth and compensates us to our satisfaction and we will perform and stay loyal to them. Why should it be any different here?

It's different to those who keep ranting because they don't view this as a business like any other...

We are just hookers, scammers and hustlers...and because we're all kinda tethering the line of inside and outside the actual law...

A lot of businesses you deal with in the service industry have the right to refuse service at anytime for pretty much any reason or demand they will no longer accept your business...for whatever reason they see fit...and you must go along with this..

But because we are here doing what we do...its looked at less as anyone legit business being ran...

While it may not be within all the laws but it doesn't mean you always get your way and we're left with disrespect because we sell our time and companionship.

[milfy2002]

Those darn hustlers and scammers gotta ruin it for us good ones... Lol

Fortunately not every hobbyist thinks this way!

[BlacksmithRay50]

Originally Posted by milfy2002

Analeese you practically took the words right out of my mouth.

SOMETHING about a lady should make her time worth the requested ​donation but you can't have your cake and eat it too.

You want an hour with a tight young barely legal, that's awesome! If looks are everything to you I'm willing to bet it's worth $300 whether she has any BCD skills or not.

You want a passionate mutually enjoyable experience with an actual adult lady, go for someone with a reputation for being real; she may have a mommy tummy or a few extra pounds but her time will be well worth $250/300 per hour to you.

You want a tight young hot body, BCD skills that leave you begging for mercy, and excellent TCB? You better be ready to pony up $400/500 per hour for that shit!

Pick a price point you can afford but don't get all butt hurt when don't end up with champagne on a beer budget.

As far as negotiating goes, if you truly visit a lady on a regular basis and are not a pain in the ass, after a couple visits you should feel free to talk about it, but don't expect every lady to be open to it. Definitely don't start off your first email to her with a request to negotiate.

Personally I've got a specials page on my site because it's a great way to offer something for everyone, and I offer my regulars a lower rate because it's a nice thing to do for friends I that truly enjoy visiting time and time again.

Now this I disagree with. There are lots of women on here that are sexy as fuck that charge 250-300 and are fit or at least in decent shape. Like I said before I was drunk and pretty pissed. And mainly I get pissed about the upcharging. I mean seriously I talked to a provider earlier who wanted a 100 for msog on an hour. Fuck that, that is plumb ass retarded. Some of you ol' farts might last forever, might not be able to bust at all, might have ED all day. Not me, its still like I'm 16 most of the time, wind blows in the right direction and I got big tits in my face and pop. And I'm glad for it, generally I'm ready to go 5 10 mins later. My nuts are like a power plant, on point, always making more. Anyway, I'm off point now. So I'm gonna pay 250 for the hour, start my bj, 5 mins pop and shes gonna bail or want 350 for the hour now. I didn't see this right off hand it was a few reviews back. So I passed. That's the shit that pisses me off. If you're charging 250, 300, 400, even if you have a RL job, kids, whatever, if you expect us guys to fork over that kind of money, it would behoove you to at least stay in decent shape. I ain't saying you have to be a fitness model. And moms have mom stomachs, I understand. But nothing pisses me off more than having a girl show up that is 50lbs heavier than what her pics suggest. I'll turn around and leave without a word for that shit. If it's an outcall it takes all the composure I can musture up to give her $20 for gas and send her on way.
So thinking "I'm over 30 it's ok if I'm a big girl now," hell no, get your ass to the gym. If you don't want to do that and want to start advertising as a big girl, as a bbw I have no complaints about that, just don't lie about it, and in my opinion I don't think the rate should stay up there either, I think there's a fine balance of course but there are limits.