20 Dead in Terrorist Attack at Ariana Grande Concert

[rexdutchman]

They keep finding more ties to Muslim groups in Europe.

[Chung Tran]

it was only a matter of time.. tit for tat.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...de-mosque.html

[rexdutchman]

The 47 year old dunk guy, that they still can't say did it as revenge (per DMN today ) One of the Muslim witnesses said he hated Muslims .

[grean]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

it was only a matter of time.. tit for tat.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...de-mosque.html

What I think the take away should be is the Imam, stepped into to protect the man from reasonably pissed off folks.


Direct our anger to the appropriate people. Don't spray it indiscriminatly at Muslims.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by grean

Direct our anger to the appropriate people. Don't spray it indiscriminatly at Muslims.

Out of curiosity, when was the last time you read the Quran?

[goodolboy]

Here we go again.

"Terror attack at Michigan airport: Tunisian knifeman with a 'hatred of the United States' wounds cop by repeatedly stabbing him in the neck while shouting Allahu Akbar before being tackled to the ground

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[grean]

Originally Posted by texassapper

Out of curiosity, when was the last time you read the Quran?

When was the last time you did? When was the last time you read the Christian bible?

I assume you are inferring, once again, that Muslims are all violent and the Quran tells them to kill people, right?

5:32 "...that whoever kills a person—unless it is for murder or corruption on earth—it is as if he killed the whole of mankind; and whoever saves it, it is as if he saved the whole of mankind...."

So it says you can execute people for murder or corruption on earth. Other than thatit is not acceptable to kill.

Also this might sound like a similar verse in the Christian bible,
5:28 “If you extend your hand to kill me, I will not extend my hand to kill you; for I fear God, Lord of the Worlds.”

....turn the other cheek..... lol
It''s almost eerie how similarge some of the versus are.


"But Grean," you say."The quran tells people commit jihad"

Yeah kinda.... read chapter 9. It does give a shit load of ways to get out of the killing. Won't try to deny.

Most Muslims think jihad, now ,to mean the internal struggle within.

The Christian Bible, in comparison is just as bloody


The christian bible in Exodus 31:14 "'Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do any work on that day must be cut off from their people."

Leviticus 24:16 "Whoever blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall stone him. "

Well GOD FUCKIN DAMN..... guess I'm in for a stoning. Whoops!


There are dozens of examples in each of violence and of forgiveness.


There is a word for the terrorists violence. It's irjaf. It's a one way ticket to he'll according to the quron.

BILLIONS OF MUSLIMS like the Billions of Christians read a book filled with violence and forgiveness and practice the forgiveness part.

[texassapper]

I've had to read it three times for various reasons (I'll admit I glossed over lots of it). I'll just ignore any biblical comparisons since I'm going to assume that you've heard of the New Testament, which renders anything in the Old Testament moot.

I just want to know if you understand the concept of Abrogation... it's very similar to the New Testament rendering the Old Testament obsolete so to speak. See the Quran is literally the stream of conscience thought of Muhammed speaking. And where there are conflicts between Muhammads Hadiths, the later Hadiths Abrogate the earlier ones.

The primary difference is that the Hadiths you quote are in the earlier part of the Quran, (This is when historically, Muhammed had to get along with other religions in order not to be wiped out). Later when his followers had attained more power you see Hadiths such as 9:5 The Sword Hadith Commanding Muslims to kill unbelievers. Islamic scholarship, (not western) interprets the sword hadith to mean that Jihad must be waged on unbelievers after they are offered the chance to submit.

My first point is that if you are unfamiliar with the Quran and its structure, its easy to read things from early in the Quran that talk of peace and co-existence. These early Hadiths are essentially worthless, in the same manner as the dietary restrictions of Jews are to Christians... they were rendered moot, by the death and resurrection of Jesus.

My Second point is that the Good Muslims are the terrorists. They aren't misinterpreting the Quran... they are reading it as it was written. It's the peaceful Muslims that are sort of like Christmas Christians... they go to Mosque every blue moon kind of thing. I've lived and worked in Muslim Countries... they are great people that will give you the shirt off their back to help you... But they are also Clannish and if you're not a believer, you might as well be a dog to those that are Real Muslims. Make no mistake, Islam does not mean Peace it means submission. If you do not submit you can expect endless war with those who read the Quran as the word of the Prophet.

As these attacks continue in the EU... You can count on that.... It will be interesting how you will continue to defend a religion that if followed "religiously" exhorts one to violence against all other religions. It will be fun to watch your head explode.

[grean]

Originally Posted by texassapper

I'll just ignore any biblical comparisons since I'm going to assume that you've heard of the New Testament, which renders anything in the Old Testament moot.

Not so,

Matt 5:17-19

17“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.a18For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.b19Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commandscand teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

[grean]

Originally Posted by texassapper

I've lived and worked in Muslim Countries... they are great people that will give you the shirt off their back to help you...

Holy Fat Hooker, Batman!

We agree!

I think you know from my previous posts I have no issue with hunting down and murdering terrorists where they stand.

We are Americans. We allow the terrorists to win when we begin to let fear and bigotry blind us and control our actions.

if the "bad Muslims", as you put it, are actually good people and say the terrorists are not real muslims, the good people get to be called Muslims and the terrorists can just, as DJT put it, be called evil losers.

On a side note, I wonder if anyone told DJT how close he was to quoting a verse from the quan when he called them that?

[goodolboy]

I wonder why in modern times, like the last century or so, we don't see Christian terrorism like we see Islamic terrorism? They also seem to get hit much more often in Europe. Do you think there is any chance that some of these European country's stance on immigration has anything to do with all the terrorist attacks over there? When they yell allah snack bar while killing people do you think this could have something to do with their religious beliefs, or is that just slang?

[grean]

Originally Posted by goodolboy

I wonder why in modern times, like the last century or so, we don't see Christian terrorism like we see Islamic terrorism? They also seem to get hit much more often in Europe. Do you think there is any chance that some of these European country's stance on immigration has anything to do with all the terrorist attacks over there? When they yell allah snack bar while killing people do you think this could have something to do with their religious beliefs, or is that just slang?

It has everything to do with THEIR beliefs! Not the beliefs of the billions of Muslims you guys want to paint with the same brush.

[rexdutchman]

So it says you can execute people for murder or corruption on earth, The issue is that most believe everyone but Muslim's are Corrupt . ( base for the terrorism )
Open borders have led to European issues , letting them run there own towns under there laws ? What could go wrong?

[goodolboy]

Originally Posted by grean

It has everything to do with THEIR beliefs! Not the beliefs of the billions of Muslims you guys want to paint with the same brush.

When allowing immigration how does the host country determine which ones are good Muslims and which ones are extreme Muslims?

Can we agree that the common denominator in most terrorist attacks is the Muslim faith?

Statistically half of all immigrants in the U.S. are on public assistance. What is the advantage for America to import people from parts of the world known to want to kill us?

[grean]

Originally Posted by goodolboy

I wonder why in modern times, like the last century or so, we don't see Christian terrorism like we see Islamic terrorism?

Yeah.....about that.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/06/18/white_extremist_murders_killed _at_least_60_in_u_s_since_1995 .html?cq_ck=1486485587473