Why would a gent want to keep his P411 and Eccie accounts separate?

[Guest030824]

Because I can post my bio on P-411 just one time and change or modify it to describe my likes I find it is just what I need. I don't hide my ID to trick any one I just don't believe the info I have on P-411 should be on ECCIE. I spent time on my P-411 bio to get my feelings just right. I have had several ladies suggest changes and have followed their ideas.

[TexasDave555]

Originally Posted by thathottnurse

Good point. I see what you are saying. However if you were to disclose it only to the ladies you booked appts with then how would that compromise your RW security? I'm not understanding that part.

Hard to say.. just because you passed their screenings, you don't typically give your home phone or address. Why give away another link back to the real you? And who's to say she won't post it or pass it around. Once info is out of your hands, its out of your control.

If I had gone through all that, I would think twice about doing that. Of course, I wouldn't try to rig the system.... just keeping this on a reason why someone would have a valid reason to do it. Historically more info gets passed via the girl network than the guy network but that happens too of course.

Originally Posted by Reese Foster

Yes, you have and I am proud of you for it.


Hey, I'm still packing over here…could you give me a break, just once? I'm not your Superwoman!

( You sure you still want me to move in? I've got the whiny, nagging thing down to an art.)


*Back on topic*

Most of my p411 guys don't post on Eccie.. so its not much of a concern to me. However, if I found out that I had seen someone who I had originally declined to see for whatever reason... I more than likely wouldn't see him again…even if it turned out ok.

The whip helped and the butt plug was definitely a good training technique Whiny... naggy.. wait, when did we agree to act like we are married? Damn there go the blowjobs!

[Guest092216]

Originally Posted by TexasDave555

Hard to say.. just because you passed their screenings, you don't typically give your home phone or address. Why give away another link back to the real you? And who's to say she won't post it or pass it around. Once info is out of your hands, its out of your control.

If I had gone through all that, I would think twice about doing that. Of course, I wouldn't try to rig the system.... just keeping this on a reason why someone would have a valid reason to do it. Historically more info gets passed via the girl network than the guy network but that happens too of course.



The whip helped and the butt plug was definitely a good training technique Whiny... naggy.. wait, when did we agree to act like we are married? Damn there go the blowjobs!

How is associating your p411 and eccie accounts with each other like giving away your personal home phone and address??? A guy can get a p411 with just two verified provider references - no personal info whatsoever. In what way would being honest with providers about the two accounts belonging to one hobbyist be a security risk???

A guy typically gives out his hobby number on the last leg of setting up a session anyway or when screening (a much more accessible means of invading privacy via untimely or unsolicited calls/texts) and ladies aren't out there passing around your number to that extreme are they? If they did, I doubt they would belong to p411 much longer if at all. Gina tends to take pretty swift action against providers who fcuk up.

So why the big security risk in associating them for appts?

Seems like the risks way outweigh the benefits for providers but the benefits way outweight the risks for the guys (and not in a good way).

How would you guys feel if providers were doing that? What if you set up a date with a lady you had seen thru eccie and didn't like, only to unknowingly set up an appt with the same lady thru p411? She opens the door and its like "DAMN! YOU AGAIN?!!!"

I have always been under the impression that p411 functioned as somewhat of an extension to your eccie account. Not that they are in any way linked business-wise but that p411 was like a security upgrade to your hobby-system. I had no idea people were using it to play out good hobbyist/bad hobbyist. Wouldn't that be like having two handles on here: one good and one bad? One female and one male? I mean really. Where's the line?

[Guest092216]

Originally Posted by tucson

I keep them separate so just the random Jane can not go to my P-411 site. I have much more information on P-411 than on ECCIE. If I am setting up a date with a lady I then give her my P-411 account number and set the date through P-411. It is just like I don't put my email address in ECCIE. My P-411 account has information from the ladies that have given me OKs.

This ^^^^ is how it is usually done and it is not deceitful at all. It is kept private between the two people who are trying to set up a visit.

I'm NOT talking about guys displaying their p411 ID or sharing it anywhere out in the open. Not at all. I would never suggest that a gent make his p411 info public.

I'm talking about hobbying from two separate accounts: an eccie account and a p411 account. In essence, trying to maintain two seperate identities from within the hobby community - not just online - but in practice too.

[TexasDave555]

Originally Posted by thathottnurse

How is associating your p411 and eccie accounts with each other like giving away your personal home phone and address??? A guy can get a p411 with just two verified provider references - no personal info whatsoever. In what way would being honest with providers about the two accounts belonging to one hobbyist be a security risk???

A guy typically gives out his hobby number on the last leg of setting up a session anyway or when screening (a much more accessible means of invading privacy via untimely or unsolicited calls/texts) and ladies aren't out there passing around your number to that extreme are they? If they did, I doubt they would belong to p411 much longer if at all. Gina tends to take pretty swift action against providers who fcuk up.

So why the big security risk in associating them for appts?

Seems like the risks way outweigh the benefits for providers but the benefits way outweight the risks for the guys (and not in a good way).

How would you guys feel if providers were doing that? What if you set up a date with a lady you had seen thru eccie and didn't like, only to unknowingly set up an appt with the same lady thru p411? She opens the door and its like "DAMN! YOU AGAIN?!!!"

I have always been under the impression that p411 functioned as somewhat of an extension to your eccie account. Not that they are in any way linked business-wise but that p411 was like a security upgrade to your hobby-system. I had no idea people were using it to play out good hobbyist/bad hobbyist. Wouldn't that be like having two handles on here: one good and one bad? One female and one male? I mean really. Where's the line?

How is it similar to Home Phone/Address or how is it a risk.... its another bread crumb on the trail to a guys real life that is how it is similar. Less information is good, more is bad. That's not hard to understand where the risk is.

Eccie accts don't have any history of who you have seen (assuming no reviews)... P411 does via okays. You can deny seeing anyone or being that involved other than posting. A wife or SO may buy it (though they shouldn't) if there is no direct way she can point to seeing someone.

P411 is not an extension...its just another tool like a burner phone or calling card or 2nd play bank account etc. Its just another tool to be used in the hobby that can utilized any number of ways some for the benefit of both and others to the guys benefit. Good, bad and indifferently the tool exists seperately and can be utilized as such with no malice or ill-intent.

Again... you focus on the negative aspect and intent.

[Guest092216]

I'm not saying they need to be linked publicly. I'm aaking why make a private effort to disassociate them? God forbid the SO finds out about your eccie account but how will that automatically lead to finding out about your p411 account if all u do is keep it on the side for screening and booking? If u never publicly mention your p411 from your here then what is the risk?

[~Ze~]

Is someone asking for logic on a hooktard board again?

[JohnnyYanks]

Speaking of P411: http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/

If there is truth to this lady's claim, it would seem that linked accounts would make it very difficult for a gent to just cut bait there and pick up here.

[Guest030824]

http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/

Damn that goes on and on. She must be the only person in existence with a doctorate in hooking. My use of P-411 is always in conjunction with ECCIE and I have never been in fear of LE knocking my door down.

[johnnylongcaulking]

Originally Posted by thathottnurse

@ jarvis he said he doesn't have a p411. I think maybe he used to but no longer does if he is who I think. In that case I know for a fact I have not seen him.

@jlc I am not offended. You bring up some good points. As far as "flesh-peddling" goes, if we dismiss the need to respect boundaries bc of the industry we are in then it becomes a slippery slope of what is or is not acceptable. And I can understand wanting to avoid drama from territorial crazies but why not just use that as an opportunity to weed out the halfwits who can't seem to grasp the fact that variety is driving force behind this industry. This completely ignores large swathes of the clientele base in this "hobby". Many men are not seeking variety as much as they are trying to get some somewhere since they aren't getting any at home. Many are trying to substitute the brief encounters with a deeper yearning for intimacy. Many are just fucking horny and the variety is just icing on the cake. Sorry but "variety" isn't the sole or even primary driving force behind this industry. Human sexuality is the driving force behind this industry and it's so amazingly complex that we could spend the next 2000 years discussing just the main deviant drives.

See above

[Unique_Carpenter]

Originally Posted by JohnnyYanks

Speaking of P411: http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/

If there is truth to this lady's claim, it would seem that linked accounts would make it very difficult for a gent to just cut bait there and pick up here.

Gina's already responed to that article at:
http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?...highlight=p411

As a side comment, neither she, nor her equipment are in the states.

[pyramider]

I feel many here have been careless in their past and are on a short leash. If that is the case, the SO has already got the goods on you and is just waiting for the proper time to lower the boom. All could have been avoided had the fucktard paid attention to the SO's taint.

As paranoid as some here sound, it makes me wonder how many of you are having your keystrokes monitored on your computers, home and work?

[Guest062217]

I have both Eccie and P411 accounts with nothing to hide from either of them.

I'm single and don't have time for a traditional relationship so therefore I hobby...I am sure other guys are married or have SO's or are in lines of work that they have to be more cautious.

Although I will also add that I use a combination of Eccie and 411 to search for and discover providers. However, when it comes to scheduling an appointment I will ONLY schedule a meeting with a provider if she is on P411. I am not a newbie friendly hobbyist...lol

[LazurusLong]

P411 and ECCIE are 2 separate money making businesses and there is no way to force an ECCIE verified provider that lacks a P411 account to get one OR post it here.

There are at least a handful of providers who have had their P411 accounts revoked yet the provider keeps the link on her profile or in ads or signature line. THAT seems mucho re shady because Gina ALWAYS has a very good reason for revoking a provider's ID.

Back on ASPD it was once discussed how a P411 member can not only leave their "board" handle info on the P411 profile blank, but that there is not only no way to force a person to submit a handle, there is also no way to prevent a P411 member from using whatever board handle they want and that a P411 member can change those at any time!

[Guest092216]

So it is not considered shady to maintain two or more hobbyist identities? I realize they are two separate businesses and have no responsibility to each other but isn't it safer screening for providers if hobbyists only have one identity? What was the general consensus when it was debated on ASPD before? Should a security screening business require its members to divulge their other online handles for community safety reasons?

Some guys engage in really terrible behavior under one identity and behave like normal gents under another identity. Obviously they are intending to preying on certain providers over others in these cases. How is does that benefit anyone but the predator? Case in point with NHR, now banned after it was discovered he was bigdog0311, he harassed me a lot when I first started over phone convo and texts. Looking over it after I realized they were the same person you can cleary see the game he was playing. He was awful. Just awful to me, hateful, insulting, demeaning and threatening. I don't scare real easy but I can see how most new indies might be. Like a troll on steroids! Apparently this was how he operated. Pick new girls, harass them, demean them, threaten them, try to coerce them into seeing him for very little if anything. He had a p411 but didn't say so and some of his other handles on here even crusade against p411 in an extra effort to keep suspicion off. Its diabolical!

I have to wonder if a provider who kept two different provider identies was discovered, would she still be well received by the community? Would she be allowed to keep her P411(s)? I doubt it.