Those that don't know history are doomed. . .

[ANONONE]

Originally Posted by ..

Wrong! esp. a totalitarian gov't uses and abuses history to support their POV.


Well if it would be that way the Nazis would have already punished you for your avatar's tagline "Lecken Künstler". Correct is "Leckkünstler", or better "Zungenkünstler". HTH.

You are wrong on both counts. Check what Mussolini, Hitler and Stalin did when they took power--they removed the academic leaders from their positions and replaced them with propagandists.

Lecken Kunstler is a proper noun as it is the name of an infamous underground adult comic book character in Germany.

Originally Posted by Sa_artman

Dude. Stop smoking that shit. Peer out of your blinds and you'll notice there are no, I repeat 'no', unmarked cars outside your driveway. Turn off the Tv. Put down the Turner Diaries, and go get some fresh air and mingle with the rest of the normal populace. Heck, go vote and see your lack of control at work.

--Don't use your phone though, it may be monitored.

Have you ever read The Spiral of Silence?

Originally Posted by TexTushHog

Not only that, Elisabeth Noelle-Neumann (two n's) is an known anti-Semite who wrote of the U.S. media "Jews write in the paper, own them, have virtually monopolized the advertising agencies and can therefore open and shut the gates of advertising income as they wish." That anyone in 2010 would seriously quote a protege of Goebbels is shocking.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle7097606.ece

Hand the crack pipe back to Leo Bogart and go out get some fresh air. Neumann is a very respected political scientist unlike the media quack, Bogart, that spread those rumors. In reality Goebbels despised Neumann when she refused to join his cabinet and instead took a position at the University of Missouri. Those allegations were nothing less than an attempt to discredit her as the president of WAPOR.

[JustaGuyinMS]

Gezzus - I can't believe some of these comments. I'll just let Sinclair Lewis speak for me in his book "It Can't Happen Here:" "When facism comes to the United States it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross."

I think that's what we're seeing right now.

I have just violated my rule for involvement in ECCIE - I don't want to be involved in a board that is political - I want to get laid!

JaG

[Roark]

The current state of affairs had exposed the financial structure for perhaps what it really is. A giant Ponzi scheme sanctioned by the Fed and the US treasury. In so much as we must endeavour to participate in this charade, once you lose the moral authority or high ground, then eventually it may all come tumbling down. I guess it's time for a trick or treat.....

[TexTushHog]

Originally Posted by ANONONE

Hand the crack pipe back to Leo Bogart and go out get some fresh air. Neumann is a very respected political scientist unlike the media quack, Bogart, that spread those rumors. In reality Goebbels despised Neumann when she refused to join his cabinet and instead took a position at the University of Missouri. Those allegations were nothing less than an attempt to discredit her as the president of WAPOR.

Why don't you tell everybody what she did after her one year at the University of Missouri? She went back to Germany and worked on Nazi newspapers for Goebbels. In the U.S., could have applied for assylum, but chose to go back and work for Goebbels and the Nazis.

As for Bogart's credibility, not this quote form the NYTimes:

Mr. Bogart wrote, and Professor Noelle-Neumann confirms, that after returning to Germany in 1938 she wrote a dissertation that included anti-Semitic remarks like, "Since 1933, the Jews, who have monopolized a great part of America's intellectual life, have concentrated their demagogic abilities on anti-German agitation."

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...sheimer&st=nyt

Of course this mild description, published in 1991, hardly begins to describe what she actually said, which was not published until 1996. Here is some of what she wrote while working for Goebbels as quoted by Christopher Simpson in his 1996 articleElisabeth Noelle-Neumann's “Spiral of Silence” and the Historical Context of Communication Theory in the Journal of Communication.

To reach into the darkness to find the Jew who is hiding behind the Chicago Daily News is like sticking your hand into a wasp's nest. When you receive forty simultaneous stings, you stop paying attention to the individual wasps.
[In the United States], Jews write the newspapers, own them, and have close to a monopoly over the advertising agencies that open and close the doors to advertising for each newspaper. They control the film industry, own the big radio stations and all the theaters. Due to their cleverness, Jew journalists are not the most noisy advocates for war [with Germany]. When they reach for public opinion, they don't move as a group, but instead comefrom various directions. . . .

The pure jewish newspapers in America, as is commonly known, are The New York Times and The New York Post. But even there it [Jewish war propaganda] cannot be noticed immediately. . . . The truly powerful commentators camouflage their anti-German agenda through neutral-sounding writing. The most academic of these is Walter Lippmann, a Jew of German origin. . . . He is the most clever user of this neutral camouflage, who shrewdly brings his readers to the conclusion that America is surrounded on all sides. He is a spokesman for high finance who was once an opponent of Roosevelt, [but] who now supports intervention without reservation. . . .

(Elisabeth Noelle, 1941, pp. 6-7)

http://www.questia.com/googleScholar...docId=96517341

Worst of all, when asked about anti-Semitic writings, she told John Mearsheimer, of the University of Chicago: "I have never written anything in my life that I did not believe to be true."

Not even a half-assed effort to cover for your anti-Semite hero. It's high time that the American Taliban be called out for who they really are and the real history of where their supposedly "new" ideas come from.

[ANONONE]

"Since 1933, the Jews, who have monopolized a great part of America's intellectual life, have concentrated their demagogic abilities on anti-German agitation."

Tush, is it possible for her to be telling the truth, even though it is being labeled as anti-semitic by a raving lunatic? Hell, that particular quote above is accurate today. What percentage of entertainment and news media outlets are controlled by Jewish ownership? If you are going to honestly try to tell me that those that control the substructure of culture (media ownership for instance) do not then also have access to abuse that ownership and manipulate intellectual life and perception of reality for the masses. . .well then, we have nothing more to discuss because you are as irrational as Leo Bogart was. The mere fact that you are taking his banner in hand proves her point that those that own the means of culture transference have great demagogic power.

Look at you being caught up in prejudice and emotion. . .case proven.

The problem with folks like you is that you have been so indoctrinated by American Political Correctness is that you throw the baby out with the bathwater and miss out on great wisdom, just because it gets labeled ridiculously. Read her full body of work, rather than just quote her out of context from a tertiary source.

[..]

a) throughout her life she has cooperated with totalitarian regimes -- first with the Nazis, later with the nomenklatura in several Eastern Bloc countries (esp. Soviet Union, East Germany and Czechoslovakia)

b) She comes from a rich, "deutsch-national" and highly anti-semitic family.

c) She was openly anti-semitic, and while officially not a member of the NSDAP, she worked for the Nazis several times (and was well paid for that!) cf. http://amor.rz.hu-berlin.de/~h0444vhn/noeneut.pdf

d) Her (first) husband was an official member of the NSDAP for a while. She herself was not a NSDAP member but member of several Nazi organisations, incl. the "National Socialist German Students' League".

e) In post-war Germany she wanted to work for the Americans -- but she was not cleared due to her past. Sneaky as she was she hence relocated to the French sector [0], because the French were much more lazy with the denazification process.

f) Leo Bogart was right in every aspect about her, in fact recent academic research in Germany has revealed that her cooperation with both the Nazis as well as the Soviet Union was deeper than previously thought.

[0] post-war Germany was devided into four sectors: American, British, French and Soviet ( = East Germany)

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Roark

The current state of affairs had exposed the financial structure for perhaps what it really is. A giant Ponzi scheme sanctioned by the Fed and the US treasury. In so much as we must endeavour to participate in this charade, once you lose the moral authority or high ground, then eventually it may all come tumbling down. I guess it's time for a trick or treat.....

That is exactly what has happened. The banking system has no credibility. Which is being taken out in the polls on the folks we elect whose job it is to make sure there is transparency and some semblance of fairness. The Tea folks have the right idea but are misguided in their blame.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by ANONONE

Tush, is it possible for her to be telling the truth, even though it is being labeled as anti-semitic by a raving lunatic? Hell, that particular quote above is accurate today. What percentage of entertainment and news media outlets are controlled by Jewish ownership? .

I'm with ya on this ANONONE....it ties into not only not knowing history but banking (as in follow the money) and for some to suppress history in the name of Political Correctness. Media and banking can control how we think, mobolize us toward war. To NOT take a look at that majority ownership is crazy. Thank God for the internet. It might spute lie after lie but at least it is an equal opportunity liar!


http://www.cephas-library.com/nwo/nw...s_goliath.html

Makow elaborates: "‘World government’ is really about using debt to enslave us; it is an international loan collection agency. Naturally you will shroud this with talk about tolerance, human rights and preventing war. A quote from a 1924 edition of the American Banker's Association Digest sums up what is currently happening. Keep this in mind when you vote. ‘When, through the process of law, the common people lose their homes, they will become more docile and more easily governed through the strong arm of government applied by a central power of wealth under leading financiers. These truths are well known among our principal men who are now engaged in forming imperialism to govern the world. By dividing the voter through the political party system, we can get them to expend their energies in fighting for questions of no importance.’

[Randy4Candy]

Originally Posted by WTF

Makow elaborates: "‘World government’ is really about using debt to enslave us; it is an international loan collection agency. Naturally you will shroud this with talk about tolerance, human rights and preventing war. A quote from a 1924 edition of the American Banker's Association Digest sums up what is currently happening. Keep this in mind when you vote. ‘When, through the process of law, the common people lose their homes, they will become more docile and more easily governed through the strong arm of government applied by a central power of wealth under leading financiers. These truths are well known among our principal men who are now engaged in forming imperialism to govern the world. By dividing the voter through the political party system, we can get them to expend their energies in fighting for questions of no importance.’

Hmmmm, lots of Juden in China, I'll bet...

Hell, there ARE a lot of Jewish people who control or influence several sectors of American life and the economy. Here's the NEWS FLASH: Some of them are crooked, greedy bastards - some are not. Stay after the crooks because they are crooks and you'll probably get a few Presbyterians as well. What's left of "Reformed" Judiasm still teaches the basis of the Judeo-Christian ethic, so the problem isn't with being Jewish, it's with ignoring what one has been taught about ethics. That, and a misguided/perverted sense of being "chosen."

The above quote is Play #1 in any totalitarian's playbook whether godless or twisting and perverting the tenants of ANY religion. Our breed of Fascists is coming at us wrapped in Old Glory and waving a Cross - they are just play-acting about that, not about their true agenda. Just read what they say about how they intend to "save" us. It really is that simple, really - quit being lazy and reject the easy answers being peddled that are based on racism, culturalism and having nothing to do with the RED WORDS in any Bible (if you roll that way).

[Sa_artman]

Originally Posted by ANONONE

Have you ever read The Spiral of Silence?

Last I checked, it was just a theory. Learn to think for yourself, you obviously pull your self identity from popular media. The problem with 'people like you' is that read one thing and have some kool aid enlightenment and then start spouting dogma like 'oooh...everybody learn this lesson or we're all doomed'. Smucks like that on every corner on Sunset Blvd.

[TexTushHog]

Originally Posted by ANONONE

Tush, is it possible for her to be telling the truth, even though it is being labeled as anti-semitic by a raving lunatic? Hell, that particular quote above is accurate today. What percentage of entertainment and news media outlets are controlled by Jewish ownership? If you are going to honestly try to tell me that those that control the substructure of culture (media ownership for instance) do not then also have access to abuse that ownership and manipulate intellectual life and perception of reality for the masses. . .well then, we have nothing more to discuss because you are as irrational as Leo Bogart was. The mere fact that you are taking his banner in hand proves her point that those that own the means of culture transference have great demagogic power.

Look at you being caught up in prejudice and emotion. . .case proven.

The problem with folks like you is that you have been so indoctrinated by American Political Correctness is that you throw the baby out with the bathwater and miss out on great wisdom, just because it gets labeled ridiculously. Read her full body of work, rather than just quote her out of context from a tertiary source.

Jesus, I don't need to make the case for anti-Semitism, you do it well enough yourself.

And last I heard, Ted Turner (CNN), Rupert Murdoch (Fox, WJS), General Electric (NBC), Disney (ABC, ESPN), etc. weren't Jewish.

[Randy4Candy]

LOL - TTH, you know the "Mouth of the South" (Ted Turner for you younger folks) was married to "Red Jane" Fonda for a number of years. Surely that means that he's some sort of stalking horse for those who want to bring down Amurrica. You know how pussy messes with a man's mind.....

Hmmm, "Fonda," hmmmm, that name sure doesn't sound WASP to me. Wonder if it's short for Fondabaumsteinbloomberg? Dang, y'all, she's a Jewish Commie!!! Poor Ted - never knew what hit him.

Racists and culturists just crack me the hell up...they can't see anything wrong with the sewage being spewed from Baptist, Church of Christ and Assembly of Gawd pulpits on a weekly basis, not to mention Saint Pat Roberson. Might do some of these guys good to remember most of the Founding Fathers were Episcopalians, Presbyterians and Congregationalists - not exactly a straight line to the Religious Right.

[John Bull]

OK guys. It's time to tone down the anti-Semitic/pro Semitic stuff. Back on subject please. Otherwise, I'll sic Charles on you.

[pjorourke]

Oh no!!! Not that!!!

[charlestudor2005]

Originally Posted by John Bull

OK guys. It's time to tone down the anti-Semitic/pro Semitic stuff. Back on subject please. Otherwise, I'll sic Charles on you.

Originally Posted by pjorourke

Oh no!!! Not that!!!

LOL...**pulling out his whip like Lash LaRue**