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Old 04-16-2022, 06:11 PM   #76
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What a load of shit... the conversation back in the day was that these Trump tax cuts were going to pay for themselves with 3% plus GDP numbers. (Of course, I can't find anyone who actually SAID the tax cuts would "pay for themselves" but I love using that phony straw-man argument! Plus I'm too dumb to understand CBO projections.) The Obama economists as you are want (sic) to call... proved they can't forecast their way out of a brown paper bag.

Austin Goolsbee/Larry Summers Track Record:
2011 Forecast - 3.8% growth
2011 Actual - 1.6% growth

2012-14 Forecast - over 4.0% avg annual growth
2012-14 Actual - 2.2% avg annual growth


Trump had one year and even that wasn't 3%. (Can someone please help me out? I don't know how to round up 2.99%.) You do realize I was too much of a pussy to take the bet, right?

So again, I admit I am a big fucking pussy.

It's ok. We've known for a long time you are "gender fluid".

With any luck, maybe tomorrow you'll wake up and imagine you have a dick again.
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Old 04-16-2022, 06:51 PM   #77
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It's ok. We've known for a long time you are "gender fluid".

With any luck, maybe tomorrow you'll wake up and imagine you have a dick again.
It still won’t work.
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Old 04-16-2022, 07:00 PM   #78
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Troll much ?
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Old 04-16-2022, 08:01 PM   #79
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Troll much ?
You’re in way over your head VitaTroll.
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Old 04-16-2022, 10:23 PM   #81
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You’re in way over your head VitaTroll.
He said he has a graduate degree from CMU. Still waiting to hear in what discipline.
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Old 04-16-2022, 10:31 PM   #82
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This is now of interest and important to you ?
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Old 04-16-2022, 10:36 PM   #83
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You volunteered that info. If you're a double-e you could have something in common with other posters here. Up to you. Your degree is obviously not in economics. TWK put his credentials out there. Why can't you?
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... Lads don't need to give their statures here.
It was fair enough that Vita mentioned the CMU education
- after putting the badmouth on our lot of "Pittsburghers"
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Old 04-17-2022, 08:30 AM   #85
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It's ok. We've known for a long time you are "gender fluid".

With any luck, maybe tomorrow you'll wake up and imagine you have a dick again.
You love to imagine there is a dick in your ass and mouth....you spit roasted queen.

In 2018 you , bambino and Trump were dancing around like gaymos with your 3% nonsense.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...omy-gdp-2020-1





The administration's bullish forecast was (and is since they've yet to dial it back)based on the belief that the tax cut developed and passed by Trump and the Republicans at the end of 2017 would increase the economy's trend growth rate. A key word there is "trend," meaning a long-term shift in trajectory as opposed to the pattern you see above.

Trump and his economic team have long argued that the tax cuts — especially the big drop in the corporate rate from 35% to 21% would kick off a virtuous cycle delivering lasting growth above the roughly 2 percent that has prevailed for the past two decades. The idea was that lower corporate rates would incentivize more capital investment in things like factories or large equipment and that this added capital stock would permanently boost the economy's productive capacity.


You may recognize this as the supply-side-tax-cut scenario popularized by economists Art Laffer and Rober Mundell, wherein tax cuts targeted at investors "trickle down" through the broader economy, lifting growth, wages, and spinning off more tax revenue to help offset the tax cut's initial cost.

Thus far, however, none of the links on the supply-side chain are anywhere to be seen. To the contrary, as the new GDP report showed real business investment has declined for three quarters in a row, the worst such stretch since the last
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What is a recession? How economists define periods of economic downturn
A recession is a period of economic decline spread across the economy that occurs more often than you may think. Here's why and how they happen.


Keynes can tell you why there's no boost
So then why was GDP growth at least temporarily elevated in 2018, the very year the tax cut went into effect? In fact, that's no coincidence. The tax cut did clearly juice growth for a moment. But that moment has passed. It's effects, in other words, were the type associated with John Maynard Keynes, not Laffer.

Keynesian economics, in this context, argues that in periods when private sector demand is inadequate to achieve full employment, the government should step in and temporarily make up for the lost demand through deficit spending.
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You volunteered that info. If you're a double-e you could have something in common with other posters here. Up to you. Your degree is obviously not in economics. TWK put his credentials out there. Why can't you?
You need to get your money back if your degree was in economics!


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1ZT0CA

Moderate growth undercuts the argument by Trump and his fellow Republicans that strong growth would pay for the tax cuts, which are expected to help push the federal budget deficit to $1.02 trillion this year. Growth last year was the slowest since 2016 and followed the 2.9% notched in 2018.
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(Of course, I can't find anyone who actually SAID the tax cuts would "pay for themselves" but I love using that phony straw-man argument! Plus I'm too dumb to understand CBO projections
Maybe that fruity economic degree from CIM University needs discarding if the best it has gotten you is to be proven a liar time and time again on a hooker board no less...



https://www.forbes.com/sites/christi...nding-economy/

Less than a week after Treasury Secretary Mnuchin repeated the fanciful claim that the Trump tax cuts of 2017 would pay for themselves, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) proved him wrong. If tax cuts actually paid for themselves, they would reduce deficits based on faster revenue growth that comes from faster economic growth. Deficits immediately shot up after the 2017 supply-side tax cuts. And CBO forecasts that those deficits will continue to stay high for the foreseeable future. This is the opposite of tax cuts paying for themselves
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Maybe that fruity economic degree from CIM University needs discarding if the best it has gotten you is to be proven a liar time and time again on a hooker board no less...



https://www.forbes.com/sites/christi...nding-economy/

Less than a week after Treasury Secretary Mnuchin repeated the fanciful claim that the Trump tax cuts of 2017 would pay for themselves, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) proved him wrong. If tax cuts actually paid for themselves, they would reduce deficits based on faster revenue growth that comes from faster economic growth. Deficits immediately shot up after the 2017 supply-side tax cuts. And CBO forecasts that those deficits will continue to stay high for the foreseeable future. This is the opposite of tax cuts paying for themselves
Alas young grasshopper, you must learn to look at the actual numbers instead of seeking out articles that appear to confirm your own prejudices. Government revenues from the individual income tax and the corporate income tax are up substantially from 2017, before the tax cuts took effect. Did the tax cuts result in a decrease in the amount of federal government revenues over what they would have been otherwise? Well, yes. But so what? Taking money away from a wasteful and inefficient federal government and leaving it instead in the private sector, which is the engine of growth and prosperity in our country, is a good thing. Lower the growth in the rate of spending. Don't increase the level of taxation.
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Old 04-17-2022, 02:17 PM   #89
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A few more facts...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-45827430

Real wages (adjusted for inflation) grew throughout Trump's first three years in office - continuing a steady upward trend which began during the first of President Obama's two terms.

This growth reached 2.1% per annum in February 2019, prior to the pandemic.

This is lower than the real wage increases of up to 2.4% that President Obama oversaw in 2015
Look at real median household income young grasshopper. Since Clinton left office, it stagnated. Finally in 2019, it really took off. Unfortunately COVID stopped this trend dead in its tracks. And now with inflation in goods and services outpacing wage increases, it looks like it will be a good while before the middle class will again make the same gains that it did during the Trump years, pre-COVID.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N
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Old 04-17-2022, 02:48 PM   #90
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All the minutia is meaningless. Fact is that as soon as democrat policy was put into effect everybody got poorer.
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