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Originally Posted by Chase7
I am in no way defending this person.
My point is how the authorities handle some situations. Some instances it’s better to lay back and take the person down other than at their home.
Please spare me danger to the public if you take someone down somewhere else, again I’m saying some instances.
I typically don’t carry in public but I have a lot of guns at home, taking me down somewhere else would eliminate that factor.
This was a guy that would be easy to take down while walking some place. Same goes for some that evade in vehicles.
If you take every threat this serious then why wasn’t Kathy Griffin taken down. I use her here as an example because someone else brought her up.
There have been instances cops chasing someone at high speed for a inspection or taillight violation the person they was chasing hits and kills people.
Most of these instances the cops have their plate number they could back off and get them later.
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I see this argument a lot and in some situations for sure trying to approach someone outside their home makes sense. They had already talked to this guy and he publicly posted threats of 'violent eradication' if they returned. Utah is a constitutional carry state so there would be no reason to believe he is not armed so given his declarations towards the FBI I find no reason to believe approaching him in a public place or attempting to pull him over while driving would be a better option. How often did he leave the house? Do a dozen agents park down the street and wait for days?
As for Kathy Griffin she suffered the Dixie Chicks penalty. We are all free to speak but the consequences for those who depend on the public buying their content often find themselves punished in ways that don't involve a courtroom. In her own words:
“A lot of people don’t know this part,” Griffin explained. “Actually two federal agencies, the Secret Service and the assistant U.S. attorney’s office, were putting me under a two-month federal investigation and considering charging me with a crime — this is real — of conspiracy to assassinate the president of the United States.”
Had she done something similar to the now deceased Utah man her penalty may well have been the same. I am pretty sure she didn't threaten those agencies with violence.
On the high speed chases there are far too many cases of minor offenses turning into much more severe situations I agree there are many situations they should take the plate number and go find them later. The potential for collateral damage needs to be considered in these situations and circling back to whether they approach this guy away from home or not what happens if that turns into a car chase?
They get local PD to pull him over and when the FBI pulls up he pops shots at them and takes off. Let him drive off and hope he returns home at some point to face the warrants?
To me the most impactful part of this story is how the man reacted when warrants were served. Nobody wants to be part of that process and certainly someone who was so openly vocal about inviting the FBI back with a warrant would not be inclined to just open the door and say 'come on in' so we don't really question his animosity in that moment. I am not willing to jump through many hoops for him when anyone comes to the door with a weapon in response to law enforcement serving a warrant the probability of being shot increases exponentially. Why would we expect that to be different here?
