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Old 10-05-2017, 08:02 PM   #76
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I think this guy was checking out and wanted his name remembered, Even if it was remembered as a crazy killer. He gave his girlfriend 100,000 and sent her back to the Philippines. He planned this mass shooting a year or more in advance. Collected bomb making chemicals and guns that he would need and became a high stakes gambler so he could get the suite he wanted, at the hotel he wanted, on the day/week he wanted. He actually looked at other areas with big events going on. There are records that he been casing other locations with a view. He wanted his name in every paper, TV, social media, and even abroad. These killers get way too much publicity.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/16/us/20-...cts/index.html

Here is a list of the deadliest single day mass shootings in US history from 1949 to the present. If the shooting lasted more than a single day, it's not listed.

Events:
58 killed - October 1, 2017 - In Las Vegas, 64-year-old Stephen Paddock of Mesquite, Nevada, rains gunfire on a crowd of 22,000 concertgoers from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, killing 58 people and injuring almost 500. Witnesses say the gunshots last between 10 and 15 minutes. Officers breach Paddock's hotel room to find him dead. Authorities believe Paddock killed himself and that he acted alone.

49 killed - June 12, 2016 - Omar Saddiqui Mateen, 29, opens fire inside Pulse, a gay nightclub, in Orlando. At least 49 people are killed and more than 50 are injured. Police shoot and kill Mateen during an operation to free hostages officials say he was holding at the club.

32 killed - April 16, 2007 - Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Virginia. A gunman, 23-year-old student Seung-Hui Cho, goes on a shooting spree killing 32 people in two locations and wounding an undetermined number of others on campus. The shooter then commits suicide.

27 killed - December 14, 2012 - Sandy Hook Elementary School - Newtown, Connecticut. Adam Lanza, 20, guns down 20 children, ages six and seven, and six adults, school staff and faculty, before turning the gun on himself. Investigating police later find Nancy Lanza, Adam's mother, dead from a gunshot wound.

23 killed - October 16, 1991 - In Killeen, Texas, 35-year-old George Hennard crashes his pickup truck through the wall of a Luby's Cafeteria. After exiting the truck, Hennard shoots and kills 23 people. He then commits suicide.

21 killed - July 18, 1984 - In San Ysidro, California, 41-year-old James Huberty, armed with a long-barreled Uzi, a pump-action shotgun and a handgun, shoots and kills 21 adults and children at a local McDonald's. A police sharpshooter kills Huberty one hour after the rampage begins.

18 killed - August 1, 1966 - In Austin, Texas, Charles Joseph Whitman, a former US Marine, kills 16 and wounds at least 30 while shooting from a University of Texas tower. Police officers Ramiro Martinez and Houston McCoy shoot and kill Whitman in the tower. Whitman had also killed his mother and wife earlier in the day.

14 killed - December 2, 2015 - Married couple Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik open fire on an employee gathering taking place at Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, killing 14 people.

14 killed - August 20, 1986 - In Edmond, Oklahoma, part-time mail carrier Patrick Henry Sherrill, armed with three handguns kills 14 postal workers in 10 minutes and then takes his own life with a bullet to the head.

13 killed - November 5, 2009 - Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan kills 13 people and injures 32 at Fort Hood, Texas, during a shooting rampage. He is convicted and sentenced to death.

13 killed - April 3, 2009 - In Binghamton, New York, Jiverly Wong kills 13 people and injures four during a shooting at an immigrant community center. He then kills himself.

13 killed - April 20, 1999 - Columbine High School - Littleton, Colorado. Eighteen-year-old Eric Harris and 17-year-old Dylan Klebold kill 12 fellow students and one teacher before committing suicide in the school library.

13 killed - February 18, 1983 - Three men enter the Wah Mee gambling and social club in Seattle, rob the 14 occupants and then shoot each in the head, killing 13. Two of the men, Kwan Fai Mak and Benjamin Ng, are convicted of murder in August 1983. Both are serving life in prison. The third, Wai-Chiu "Tony" Ng, after years on the run in Canada, is eventually convicted of first-degree robbery and second-degree assault. He is deported to Hong Kong in 2014.

13 killed - September 25, 1982 - In Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, 40-year-old George Banks, a prison guard, kills 13 people including five of his own children. In September 2011, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court overturns his death sentence stating that Banks is mentally incompetent.

13 killed - September 5, 1949 - In Camden, New Jersey, 28-year-old Howard Unruh, a veteran of World War II, shoots and kills 13 people as he walks down Camden's 32nd Street. His weapon of choice is a German-crafted Luger pistol. He is found insane and is committed to a state mental institution. He dies at the age of 88.

12 killed - September 16, 2013 - Shots are fired inside the Washington Navy Yard, killing 12. The shooter, identified as Aaron Alexis, 34, is also killed.

12 killed - July 20, 2012 - Twelve people are killed, and 58 are wounded in a shooting at a screening of the new Batman film in Aurora, Colorado. James E. Holmes, 24, dressed head-to-toe in protective tactical gear, sets off two devices of some kind before spraying the theater with bullets from an AR-15 rifle, a 12-gauge shotgun and at least one of two .40-caliber handguns police recovered at the scene. On July 16, 2015, Holmes is found guilty on all 165 counts against him, 24 first-degree murder, 140 attempted murder and one count of possession or control of an explosive or incendiary device. He is sentenc12 killed - July 29, 1999 - In Atlanta, 44-year-old Mark Barton kills his wife and two children at his home. He then opens fire in two different brokerage houses killing nine people and wounding 12. He later kills himself.

10 killed - March 10, 2009 - In Alabama, Michael McLendon of Kinston, kills 10 and himself. The dead include his mother, grandparents, aunt and uncle.

9 killed - October 1, 2015 - Gunman Christopher Sean Harper-Mercer shoots and kills nine people, injuring another nine, at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon. The shooter dies after a gun battle with police at the college. Six weapons were recovered at the school; another seven were recovered at Harper-Mercer's home.

9 killed - June 17, 2015 - Dylann Roof, 21, shoots and kills nine people inside the historic Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church, in Charleston, South Carolina. Eight die at the scene; a ninth dies at a hospital. Roof is arrested the following day; according to police, he confesses and tells investigators he wanted to start a race war. Roof is convicted of murder and hate crimes in federal court and a jury recommends the death penalty. He would be the first person executed for committing federal hate crimes.

9 killed - March 21, 2005 - Red Lake High School, Red Lake, Minnesota. Sixteen-year-old Jeff Weise kills his grandfather and another adult, five students, a teacher and a security officer. He then kills himself.

9 killed - August 10, 1991 - Six monks, a nun, a monk in training and a temple worker are found shot to death at Wat Promkunaram, a Buddhist temple in Waddell, Arizona. Johnathan Doody, 17, and Alessandro Garcia, 16, are later convicted of the crime and receive multiple life sentences.

9 killed - June 18, 1990 - In Jacksonville, Florida, 42-year-old James Pough, angry about his car being repossessed, opens fire at a General Motors Acceptance Corp. office, killing nine people. Pough takes his own life.

8 killed - October 12, 2011 - Eight people are killed during a shooting at the Salon Meritage in Seal Beach, California. The suspect, Scott Evans Dekraai, 41, of Huntington Beach, is arrested without incident as he is trying to leave the scene. The eight victims include Dekraai's ex-wife, Michelle Fournier, 48. He was armed with three guns -- a 9 mm Springfield, a Smith & Wesson .44 Magnum, and a Heckler & Koch .45 -- and was wearing body armor during the shooting rampage. After a delay of several years due to allegations of prosecutorial misconduct, Dekraai is sentenced on September 22, 2017, to eight consecutive terms of life in prison without parole, plus an additional term of 232 years to life for attempted murder.

8 killed - August 3, 2010 - Manchester, Connecticut - Omar Thornton kills eight co-workers at Hartford Distributors before turning the gun on himself. Thornton had been asked to resign for stealing and selling alcoholic beverages.

8 killed - January 19, 2010 - Christopher Speight, 39, kills eight people at a house in Appomattox, Virginia. He surrenders to police at the scene the next morning. In February 2013, he is sentenced to five life terms plus 18 years.

8 killed - March 29, 2009 - In Carthage, North Carolina, 45-year-old Robert Stewart kills a nurse and seven elderly patients at a nursing home. In May, the Moore County district attorney announces she will seek the death penalty. On September 3, 2011, a jury finds Stewart guilty of second-degree murder. Stewart is sentenced to 141 to 179 years in prison.

8 killed - December 5, 2007 - In Omaha, Nebraska, 19-year-old Robert Hawkins goes to an area mall and kills eight shoppers before killing himself.

8 killed - July 1, 1993 - In San Francisco, 55-year-old Gian Luigi Ferri kills eight people in a law office and then kills himself.

8 killed - September 14, 1989 - In Louisville, Kentucky, 47-year-old Joseph Wesbecker armed with a AK-47 semiautomatic assault rifle, two MAC-11 semiautomatic pistols, a .38 caliber handgun, a 9-millimeter semiautomatic pistol and a bayonet kills eight co-workers at Standard Gravure Corporation and then kills himself. He had been placed on disability leave from his job due to mental problems.

8 killed - August 20, 1982 - In Miami, Carl Robert Brown, 51, kills eight people with a shotgun at a machine shop. Brown, a teacher, was reportedly angry about a repair bill from the shop. After fleeing the scene on a bicycle, he is fatally shot by a witness who pursues him.ed to life in prison without parole.

12 killed - July 29, 1999 - In Atlanta, 44-year-old Mark Barton kills his wife and two children at his home. He then opens fire in two different brokerage houses killing nine people and wounding 12. He later kills himself.

10 killed - March 10, 2009 - In Alabama, Michael McLendon of Kinston, kills 10 and himself. The dead include his mother, grandparents, aunt and uncle.

9 killed - October 1, 2015 - Gunman Christopher Sean Harper-Mercer shoots and kills nine people, injuring another nine, at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon. The shooter dies after a gun battle with police at the college. Six weapons were recovered at the school; another seven were recovered at Harper-Mercer's home.

9 killed - June 17, 2015 - Dylann Roof, 21, shoots and kills nine people inside the historic Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church, in Charleston, South Carolina. Eight die at the scene; a ninth dies at a hospital. Roof is arrested the following day; according to police, he confesses and tells investigators he wanted to start a race war. Roof is convicted of murder and hate crimes in federal court and a jury recommends the death penalty. He would be the first person executed for committing federal hate crimes.

9 killed - March 21, 2005 - Red Lake High School, Red Lake, Minnesota. Sixteen-year-old Jeff Weise kills his grandfather and another adult, five students, a teacher and a security officer. He then kills himself.

9 killed - August 10, 1991 - Six monks, a nun, a monk in training and a temple worker are found shot to death at Wat Promkunaram, a Buddhist temple in Waddell, Arizona. Johnathan Doody, 17, and Alessandro Garcia, 16, are later convicted of the crime and receive multiple life sentences.

9 killed - June 18, 1990 - In Jacksonville, Florida, 42-year-old James Pough, angry about his car being repossessed, opens fire at a General Motors Acceptance Corp. office, killing nine people. Pough takes his own life.

8 killed - October 12, 2011 - Eight people are killed during a shooting at the Salon Meritage in Seal Beach, California. The suspect, Scott Evans Dekraai, 41, of Huntington Beach, is arrested without incident as he is trying to leave the scene. The eight victims include Dekraai's ex-wife, Michelle Fournier, 48. He was armed with three guns -- a 9 mm Springfield, a Smith & Wesson .44 Magnum, and a Heckler & Koch .45 -- and was wearing body armor during the shooting rampage. After a delay of several years due to allegations of prosecutorial misconduct, Dekraai is sentenced on September 22, 2017, to eight consecutive terms of life in prison without parole, plus an additional term of 232 years to life for attempted murder.

8 killed - August 3, 2010 - Manchester, Connecticut - Omar Thornton kills eight co-workers at Hartford Distributors before turning the gun on himself. Thornton had been asked to resign for stealing and selling alcoholic beverages.

8 killed - January 19, 2010 - Christopher Speight, 39, kills eight people at a house in Appomattox, Virginia. He surrenders to police at the scene the next morning. In February 2013, he is sentenced to five life terms plus 18 years.

8 killed - March 29, 2009 - In Carthage, North Carolina, 45-year-old Robert Stewart kills a nurse and seven elderly patients at a nursing home. In May, the Moore County district attorney announces she will seek the death penalty. On September 3, 2011, a jury finds Stewart guilty of second-degree murder. Stewart is sentenced to 141 to 179 years in prison.

8 killed - December 5, 2007 - In Omaha, Nebraska, 19-year-old Robert Hawkins goes to an area mall and kills eight shoppers before killing himself.

8 killed - July 1, 1993 - In San Francisco, 55-year-old Gian Luigi Ferri kills eight people in a law office and then kills himself.

8 killed - September 14, 1989 - In Louisville, Kentucky, 47-year-old Joseph Wesbecker armed with a AK-47 semiautomatic assault rifle, two MAC-11 semiautomatic pistols, a .38 caliber handgun, a 9-millimeter semiautomatic pistol and a bayonet kills eight co-workers at Standard Gravure Corporation and then kills himself. He had been placed on disability leave from his job due to mental problems.

8 killed - August 20, 1982 - In Miami, Carl Robert Brown, 51, kills eight people with a shotgun at a machine shop. Brown, a teacher, was reportedly angry about a repair bill from the shop. After fleeing the scene on a bicycle, he is fatally shot by a witness who pursues him.

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46 incidents in 70 years does not qualify as a problem given the ratio of guns to people in the US. You're actually making a case FOR the pro-gun rights movement with that list.

By your logic, one could be make a case for criminalizing air travel. C'mon man, did you actually just copy a CNN story like it was a good point?


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How would you write a law that would really prevent gun crimes? I don't think anyone, err, OK yes, there are some , but most people would not balk against a law that could actually do that. I just can't think of how one would actually work. They all are just hassles for law abiding folk.

I understand what you mean that it would have to be on a national level to be effective. A ban California won't keep a guy from bringing a gun into California from Utah.

Would a ban in all 50 states be different?

Prohibition was an epic failure, no? How would a similar ammendment for guns be different?

My guess is after enjoying a short down tick at the beginning, just like prohibition though, it would quickly ramp back up and rise above pre prohibition numbers.
But but but...The war on drugs has worked so well...
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To be clear, I am a centrist politicaly!

Just as the right balks at any mention of any kind of gun control.

The left balks at any restrictions on abortion.

There has to be middle ground!

Abortion Surveillance—Findings and Reports. In 2013, 664,435 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC from 49 reporting areas. The abortion rate for 2013 was 12.5 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years, and the abortion ratio was 200 abortions per 1,000 live births.Jan 6, 2017
Abortion | Data and Statistics | Reproductive Health | CDC
is banning abortion your crusade, so much that you felt the need to hijack a gun-control thread?

is that you, Tim Murphy?

https://www.click2houston.com/news/p...et-an-abortion
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I have heard talk in some of the private security / black ops areas. That it might be advisable to put counter measures in place. At large events like this. Snipers in place, drones, or maybe helicopters. Somewhat similar to the security around the president. I know in other parts of the world, they use measures like these to prevent terrorism. They can use the same methods, to protect people in concerts and outdoor sporting events.
Hell the US is turning into a war zone anyway.

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lol@comparing US with brazil, philippines...why not compare ourselves with yemen, iraq, pakistan etc and be done with it as long as we're going with lowest common denominator?
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Nothing that can pass in the foreseeable future will stop these kinds of attacks. I’ll concede that. We could make them marginally less likely or deadly, but unless we are willing to take radical steps to get rid of the guns that our society is awash with, real progress won’t be made. But to say nothing could be done is foolish. Why no just admit that it’s OK in your mind to allow 20-30,000 of your fellow citizens a year to die so you can compensate for you small dick, because your a pussy and are afraid of your own shadow, (or whatever psychological kink you have that makes you crave a gun) and feel better by toting a gun.
I don't think I could disagree more with your reasons for weapon ownership, my tiny penis not withstanding. Should I mention I drive a big jeep rubicon? Now there's some serious compensation. I find your personal attack on those with a different opinion interesting. Having bled for this country 3 times (ok, once was from a pussy dart, during a drunken binge, in a Bangkok bar in '73), including in a conflict that I was completely morally against. I'm vastly reluctant to take one at home, in a mall, or movie theatre. I choose to exercise my constitutional right to defend myself. I respect your decision not too.
And I'll add, I guarantee you most Americans are devastated by recent events and the facts don't support your position.
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lol@having a serious discussion. if you wanted to do that maybe you shouldn't have started off speculating that an old foreign chick hypnotized this disgruntled fuck into killing large numbers of strangers at behest of her ISIS masters. even you must know how ridiculous that is, or do you?
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C'mon man, did you actually just copy a CNN story like it was a good point?
DentBick, i know you just read what you can comprehend so i will point this out to you AGAIN.
LET IT SINK IN THIS TIME.

Here is a list of the deadliest single day mass shootings in US history from 1949 to the present. If the shooting lasted more than a single day, it's not listed.

now read it again Dent, do you understand it YET?
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TTH,

How would you write a law that would really prevent gun crimes? I don't think anyone, err, OK yes, there are some , but most people would not balk against a law that could actually do that. I just can't think of how one would actually work. They all are just hassles for law abiding folk.

I understand what you mean that it would have to be on a national level to be effective. A ban California won't keep a guy from bringing a gun into California from Utah.

Would a ban in all 50 states be different?

Prohibition was an epic failure, no? How would a similar ammendment for guns be different?

My guess is after enjoying a short down tick at the beginning, just like prohibition though, it would quickly ramp back up and rise above pre prohibition numbers.
Nothing than can pass will make a difference.

If you want to seriously reduce mass shootings, you ban semi automatic long guns. Confiscate existing ones. Possession of such a weapon is a serious felony.

Purchase reward program for hand guns. Ban sale and possession of handguns with capacity greater than a certain number of rounds. Say ten. All magazines, clips, or other devices to hold ammunition, and guns that have such capacity are banned. Felony possession.

All gun users have to have a liscense and have to carry liability insurance if $5,000,000. Any new gun purchase has lifetime $5.000.000 liability policy that is priced into the sales price and follows the gun for the life if the gun. Insurers any user and doesn’t exclude intentional acts.

Tax sale of every gun $100 or $200 and use the funds, if any, for the funding of increased mental health treatment.

Pay folks a bounty on every gun that gets turned in and destroyed. $200-1,500 depending on the type. Rewards programs on people turning in folks who posses illegal guns after changes in law. And I’d repeal the Secind Amendment, too, just so it can’t be misinterpreted again as it was in Heller.

I think over a ten year period you could cut gun deaths in half.
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So you want to make gun ownership an elitist thing?

Hahahahaha!!!! Great idea.

Again, you're not comprehending the purpose of the second amendment.

Copierguy, how many mass shootings last more than a day?

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lol@comparing US with brazil, philippines...why not compare ourselves with yemen, iraq, pakistan etc and be done with it as long as we're going with lowest common denominator?
I'm comparing gun ownership and gun death stats. They own a fraction of the guns we do and have double, triple, quadruple the amount of gun deaths. Want me to throw South Africa in there too? I can.

Here's a list of mass shootings in Europe. Please note, "This section doesnotincludeschool massacres;workplace killings;religious, political, or racial crimes; or mass murders that took place primarily in adomestic environment, like familicides, which are covered in their own categories."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...llers_(Europe)

Europe has a comparable number of mass shootings in their countries even though guns are almost completely illegal. Riddle me that!
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so the Federal Government needs to implement the gun laws.. the Federal Government that during Iran-Contra, sold arms to Iran despite a weapons embargo.

got it.
And Fast & Furious as well.
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I'll give a classic recent example of government intervention. Over the last 20 years health care regulating bodies have been extremely vigilant in the push for pain control, developing guidelines physicians must adhere to for pain reduction, pain grading scales, etc. Now 20 years into it an opiate crisis ensues and they wonder the fuck why? Duh! Nevermind that they didn't think the physicians were trained to intercede for the patient, government knows best right? Screw those damn docs, they don't know jack about pain control. So goes the cumbaya of leftist mentality....we're going to make everyone happy, everyone equal, everyone safe!! We're going to take those damn guns away, just like Hitler and Stalin did, so you can be sooooo SAFE!! Liberals never realize that all it takes after the fact is just one man to change the entire government of a nation to something like Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia. They firmly believe that the outcome they have envisioned will become true when usually the opposite occurs, just as in the current healthcare situation. They never mention the millions murdered as a consequence of the confiscation of firearms. They just do not think it can happen here. Why? Because they think in static terms. They ASSUME all factors and variables will remain unchanged after their cumbaya intervention. That NEVER happens...unintended consequences always rears it's head. The wish to outlaw firearms will have the same result if enacted. The wisdom of the Founding Fathers is considered absurd, just as the dismissed wisdom of docs in the pain control scenario. They are unable to see that 50 years from now, 100 years from now, their cute little confiscation of firearms just may doom their great grandchildren to a life of misery and toil while every atom of their being is extracted at the behest of an unmerciful armed zealot.
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The strictest gun control laws in the world didn't stop this pos:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ne-by-one.html

Morons pushing for more gun control are completely ignoring the fact that our European counterparts have more mass shootings, more school shootings, and more workplace place shootings than the US. And they have the strictest gun laws. Gun laws don't stop madmen.
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Nothing than can pass will make a difference.

If you want to seriously reduce mass shootings, you ban semi automatic long guns. Confiscate existing ones. Possession of such a weapon is a serious felony.

Purchase reward program for hand guns. Ban sale and possession of handguns with capacity greater than a certain number of rounds. Say ten. All magazines, clips, or other devices to hold ammunition, and guns that have such capacity are banned. Felony possession.

All gun users have to have a liscense and have to carry liability insurance if $5,000,000. Any new gun purchase has lifetime $5.000.000 liability policy that is priced into the sales price and follows the gun for the life if the gun. Insurers any user and doesn’t exclude intentional acts.

Tax sale of every gun $100 or $200 and use the funds, if any, for the funding of increased mental health treatment.

Pay folks a bounty on every gun that gets turned in and destroyed. $200-1,500 depending on the type. Rewards programs on people turning in folks who posses illegal guns after changes in law. And I’d repeal the Secind Amendment, too, just so it can’t be misinterpreted again as it was in Heller.

I think over a ten year period you could cut gun deaths in half.
"Let's ban learning in America. In no time, we will be the smartest country on Earth."

- Will Rogers, speaking about the effects of prohibition.

We have tried this before with Alcohol. It didn't work. It created a huge criminal enterprise!

Chicago isn't just today facing it's first crime epidemic. Remember Al Calone? He made his empire off the sale of bootleg liquor.


We want to lower gun deaths. However, everything this guy in Vegas had was legal. His bump stocks that increased the rate of fire, also greatly decreased his accuracy.

He killed 59. Wounded Hundreds.

Had he been forced to aquire his guns by illegal means, the man had enough money to buy real fully automatic and deadly accurate weapons. I mean, if it's illegal anyway so why not get the really fun guns?

He would have killed hundreds wounded countless numbers with illegal automatic weapons, make no mistake. They were fish in a barrel.


My fear is not losing my rights to buy a gun if I ever wanted one. My fear is that the kind of law you are proposing will have the opposite effect.

I'd gladly give up my rights to save thousands of lives. History has shown however , that won't be the case.

Repealing 2A?

The thing about 2A is that we really don't need it today. But what about tomorrow?
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Old 10-06-2017, 07:10 AM   #89
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There is really no such thing as an "assault" rifle. Any rifle can become an "assault" rifle by adding a couple of attachments to make it look more like a military grade weapon. That term was introduced by Democrats to get people to accept their gun control attempts. The slide stock that this guy used was approved by ATF under Obama. They probably should regulate it, but not ban it. There isn't any real ban on fully automatic weapons, but they are heavily regulated and most people don't want to go through all the hoops necessary, nor pay the huge amount of money to own it. When you ban things, you create a black market for them anyway. People will still get them - the people who don't care about laws. Criminals will have them, law abiding citizens won't. Chicago has very strict laws, but they have one of the highest gun murder rates in nation. The Dems blame Indiana because people can go over to that state to buy their weapons. Even if you ban them all, with a porous border, not only will illegal aliens and drugs come in, so will guns. The problem needs to be dealt with more on the human level. The gun is a tool. Terrorist used planes to kill over 3000 in a building. A truck has been used to mow down people.
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All gun users have to have a liscense and have to carry liability insurance if $5,000,000. Any new gun purchase has lifetime $5.000.000 liability policy that is priced into the sales price and follows the gun for the life if the gun. Insurers any user and doesn’t exclude intentional acts.

Tax sale of every gun $100 or $200 and use the funds, if any, for the funding of increased mental health treatment.
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So you want to make gun ownership an elitist thing?

Hahahahaha!!!! Great idea.
every time TTH posts, he screams "I am an Elitist Liberal".. challenged to come up with a solution, this is what he comes up with. there were a few items that started to make a little sense, but ultimately he arrived at an elitist conclusion.. the Proletariat isn't smart enough to handle gun ownership, the all-knowing Federal Government must stop these uninformed, uneducated Hooligans from owning firearms.
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