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Old 08-25-2014, 10:19 AM   #781
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No balls you have become irrelevant You are one trick pony. Take something out of context lie then compound the lie by parroting the same drivel over and over. You have become boring, so fuck off little piss ant you won't even man up and tell us if it is lies or if you are just stupid.
Even after you stupidly claimed that your boy Odumbo would never let it happen, there's more news that U.S. forces are back in Iraq and bombing, Ekim the Inbred Chimp: "The One Second Man"!

How's that "Hope and CHANGE" working for you, Ekim the Inbred Chimp: "The One Second Man"?




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How's it working for you, Massa Overseer? Are you happy for the Kurds, Turd? Is this what you WANT America to be doing?

If not, then shut the fuck up.

If so, then SHUT THE FUCK UP!
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Old 08-25-2014, 06:30 PM   #782
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Why not answer the questions, IBIdiot?

This is why you ALWAYS LOSE. You NEVER respond to any of your declarations. You either deflect, dodge, duck or deny.

You're a waste of bandwidth.

Do you support the U.s actions in Iraq or not?

YES OR NO?

Yawwwwwnnnnn!
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Old 08-26-2014, 01:09 AM   #783
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You didn't refute anything, ToyotaLover. Are you saying that if a foreign government doesn't want to grant oil leases to British or American companies, it's ok for us to overthrow that government and install one that will? Then the population should thank us?

Seriously?

Hitler was a despot. He needed a demon. Hmmm . . . Do I see a correlation? Nah. Couldn't be.
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Old 08-26-2014, 07:27 AM   #784
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Just like you do. Look at Israel and "Palestine." You think its over "real estate"? Two people get a piece of land each out of the same tract with the same resources and the same quality. One turns his/hers into a "cash cow" with a palace and the other lives in shack. .
What an idiot....which country do you think receives the most foreign aid from the United States than any other country?

That is like me comparing your family kids to the Rockefeller kids....of course they have do much better finically. Jesus. We give them 3 billion dollars in direct aid and billions more in indirect aid.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/...ients-17534761
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Old 08-26-2014, 07:40 AM   #785
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Are you saying that if a foreign government doesn't want to grant oil leases to British or American companies, it's ok for us to overthrow that government and install one that will?
If you are addressing this statement disguised as a question to me, then my answer is .... No... That is not what I am "saying." And not what I said.

You've been "studying" WTF and BT too long.
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Old 08-26-2014, 07:41 AM   #786
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What an idiot...
How would you know, Little Boy?
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Old 08-26-2014, 03:58 PM   #787
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If you are addressing this statement disguised as a question to me, then my answer is .... No... That is not what I am "saying." And not what I said.

You've been "studying" WTF and BT too long.
Then what are you saying?
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Old 08-26-2014, 05:35 PM   #788
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Then what are you saying?
I'm not, I am describing what was U.S. policy ...

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archiv...theunion/2006/

"No one can deny the success of freedom, but some men rage and fight against it. And one of the main sources of reaction and opposition is radical Islam -- the perversion by a few of a noble faith into an ideology of terror and death. Terrorists like bin Laden are serious about mass murder -- and all of us must take their declared intentions seriously. They seek to impose a heartless system of totalitarian control throughout the Middle East, and arm themselves with weapons of mass murder.

"Their aim is to seize power in Iraq, and use it as a safe haven to launch attacks against America and the world. Lacking the military strength to challenge us directly, the terrorists have chosen the weapon of fear. When they murder children at a school in Beslan, or blow up commuters in London, or behead a bound captive, the terrorists hope these horrors will break our will, allowing the violent to inherit the Earth. But they have miscalculated: We love our freedom, and we will fight to keep it. (Applause.)

"In a time of testing, we cannot find security by abandoning our commitments and retreating within our borders. If we were to leave these vicious attackers alone, they would not leave us alone. They would simply move the battlefield to our own shores. There is no peace in retreat. And there is no honor in retreat. By allowing radical Islam to work its will -- by leaving an assaulted world to fend for itself -- we would signal to all that we no longer believe in our own ideals, or even in our own courage. But our enemies and our friends can be certain: The United States will not retreat from the world, and we will never surrender to evil. (Applause.)"

If, in fact, oil companies "installed" dictatorships with the assistance of the U.S. government, then establishing democracies in which citizens of those countries determine their own leaders, then the "wealth" of the "assets" would remain under the control of the citizens of those countries.

OPEC is not "run" by oil companies. Markets determine revenues and production. There may well be enticements to encourage an increase in production or a freezing of prices in particular moments. As a fact this country, so long as it is "addicted" to oil (as stated by Bush), must remain in a close working relationship with those countries who have the most reserves and the most production of those reserves. Other than the U.S. the list at the top are not countries run by governments the U.S. "controls" politically or militarily.

By the way ... Bush's 2006 observation was, and is, relevant today. What he obviously did not predict is the U.S. would do both ..

"retreat from the world, and .... surrender to evil."
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Old 08-26-2014, 07:43 PM   #789
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More cut and paste from Eccie's undisputed leader in "cut and pastes."

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Old 08-27-2014, 12:26 AM   #790
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The problem started long before Iraq. And I don't look to George W Bush for competent foreign policy advice. You need to get your history from some other source than Fox News, ToyotaLover.
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ISIS and Al Quaeda are both political movements dressed in religious garb. Like the Nazis had their pagan rituals. Imagine if the Nazis had dressed up Odin, Thor, and Sif as true gods of their religion. Hell, they would have had people from the US joining their little cult.
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You need to get your history from some other source than Fox News, ToyotaLover.
You need to get your information about from where I get my history from some other source than your ass. Why not use those of WTF and BigTitsLiarStalker?

Bush's assessment was accurate as it relates to your theories.

Are you opposed to a democratic form of government?

As we are sitting her today ... Bush's prediction was 100% accurate.
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Old 08-27-2014, 05:20 AM   #793
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As we are sitting her today ... Bush's prediction was 100% accurate.
Really? Where were those illusive WMD's anyway?

Rummy knew where they were (cough, cough, spit, spit)!

"We know where they (WND's) are. They are in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad."
- Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003

But it doesn't begin and end with the above erroneous statement made by Rummy in the buildup to the ill fated and ill advised, spring of 2003 invasion of Iraq. There were hundreds of false statements made by Shrubbie's Administration.

This from a 2008 CNN article:

Study: Bush, aides made 935 false statements in run-up to war


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush and his top aides publicly made 935 false statements about the security risk posed by Iraq in the two years following September 11, 2001, according to a study released Tuesday by two nonprofit journalism groups.

President Bush addresses the nation as the Iraq war begins in March 2003.

"In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003," reads an overview of the examination, conducted by the Center for Public Integrity and its affiliated group, the Fund for Independence in Journalism.

According to the study, Bush and seven top officials -- including Vice President Dick Cheney, former Secretary of State Colin Powell and then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice -- made 935 false statements about Iraq during those two years.

The study was based on a searchable database compiled of primary sources, such as official government transcripts and speeches, and secondary sources -- mainly quotes from major media organizations. Video See CNN viewers' reactions to the study »

The study says Bush made 232 false statements about Iraq and former leader Saddam Hussein's possessing weapons of mass destruction, and 28 false statements about Iraq's links to al Qaeda.

Bush has consistently asserted that at the time he and other officials made the statements, the intelligence community of the U.S. and several other nations, including Britain, believed Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.

Responding to the study Wednesday, White House spokesman Scott Stanzel did not speak directly to the "false claims" characterization.

But he said the United States was part of a broad coalition of nations that took part in the Iraq invasion and that the invasion was based on intelligence from multiple countries.

He called Hussein a threat to international security and a sponsor of terrorism, and said the world is better off without him. White House press secretary Dana Perino called the study "flawed."

"They only looked at members of the administration, rather than looking at members of Congress or people around the world," she said. "Because as you'll remember, we were part of a broad coalition of countries that deposed a dictator based on a collective understanding of the intelligence."

"And the other thing that that study fails to do is to say that after realizing that there was no WMD, as we thought as a collective body that there was, that this White House, the President set about to make reforms in the intelligence community to make sure that it doesn't happen again."

Bush has repeatedly said that despite the intelligence flaws, removing Hussein from power was the right thing to do.

The study, released Tuesday, says Powell had the second-highest number of false statements, with 244 about weapons and 10 about Iraq and al Qaeda.

Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and Press Secretary Ari Fleischer each made 109 false statements, it says. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz made 85, Rice made 56, Cheney made 48 and Scott McLellan, also a press secretary, made 14, the study says.

"It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to al Qaeda," the report reads, citing multiple government reports, including those by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, the 9/11 Commission and the multinational Iraq Survey Group, which reported that Hussein had suspended Iraq's nuclear program in 1991 and made little effort to revive it.

The overview of the study also calls the media to task, saying most media outlets didn't do enough to investigate the claims.

"Some journalists -- indeed, even some entire news organizations -- have since acknowledged that their coverage during those prewar months was far too deferential and uncritical," the report reads. "These mea culpas notwithstanding, much of the wall-to-wall media coverage provided additional, 'independent' validation of the Bush administration's false statements about Iraq."
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The quotes in the study include an August 26, 2002, statement by Cheney to the national convention of the Veterans of Foreign Wars.

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/23/bush.iraq/
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Really? Where were those illusive WMD's anyway?
Let's see ... #1 ... cut and paste .. #2 ... off topic..... #3 ... not relevant.

Obama HAS LOST IRAQ .... now he's trying to "take it back" .. by the air!

Clinton tried that in Iraq and Afghanistan. Didn't work. But here's Bush:


http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archiv...theunion/2006/

"No one can deny the success of freedom, but some men rage and fight against it. And one of the main sources of reaction and opposition is radical Islam -- the perversion by a few of a noble faith into an ideology of terror and death. Terrorists like bin Laden are serious about mass murder -- and all of us must take their declared intentions seriously. They seek to impose a heartless system of totalitarian control throughout the Middle East, and arm themselves with weapons of mass murder.

"Their aim is to seize power in Iraq, and use it as a safe haven to launch attacks against America and the world. Lacking the military strength to challenge us directly, the terrorists have chosen the weapon of fear. When they murder children at a school in Beslan, or blow up commuters in London, or behead a bound captive, the terrorists hope these horrors will break our will, allowing the violent to inherit the Earth. But they have miscalculated: We love our freedom, and we will fight to keep it. (Applause.)

"In a time of testing, we cannot find security by abandoning our commitments and retreating within our borders. If we were to leave these vicious attackers alone, they would not leave us alone. They would simply move the battlefield to our own shores. There is no peace in retreat. And there is no honor in retreat. By allowing radical Islam to work its will -- by leaving an assaulted world to fend for itself -- we would signal to all that we no longer believe in our own ideals, or even in our own courage. But our enemies and our friends can be certain: The United States will not retreat from the world, and we will never surrender to evil. (Applause.)"

... the U.S. will not retreat ... unless it's one of your guys, BigTits.

"Carry On"!

Do you want to start a WMD thread ... or just whine and cry.
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Old 08-27-2014, 05:45 AM   #795
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Do you want to start a WMD thread ... or just whine and cry.
There was no "whine and cry!"

My remarks in post #793 of this thread were only meant to bring to light the out and out lie you told one post earlier.

"Bush's prediction was 100% accurate."


LLIdiot, when you stop lying, I promise to stop exposing you for being a liar!

How's that for a deal?

Carry on!
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