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You truly don't understand the difference between "Lie" and "Not Proven", do you?
Hey Old Twerp - how about if we go with the "preponderance of evidence" standard here? I notice IB has so far produced a lot of evidence. Where's yours? And when are you going to reply to my post #761?
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Originally Posted by Old-T
I pointed out that not every part of every story is in the public record. In fact I repeatedly pointed out in clear simple terms—for your simple mind—that these kind of things are typically NOT WRITTEN DOWN.
Wow, so you think that argument is a winner? You mean anytime you have historical evidence and I don't, you will concede if I just say - the truth is different but it's not written down anywhere?
OK, since you seem to need it spelled out as simply as IB does:
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Originally Posted by I B Hankering BTW, Old-THUMPER, it wasn't JD who pointed out that Stalin's time table for invading Manchuria was based on knowing about the bomb. "August Storm" began when it did because of Hiroshima, and the U.S. didn't publicly yield on the emperor until after the Japanese had surrendered, Old-THUMPER.
My Reply to IB: "Now you are telling me I cannot agree with JD when he is right?
But to your other point, what does the issue of "publicly" yeilding have to do with anything? Do you truly believe there were no PRIVATE discussions leading up to the surrender? This is one of the differences between you and me: I acknowledged JD's point when he is correct. You have to did and try to find a reason to discredit anything I say."
IB's own words acknowledge that there was almost certainly PRIVATE discussions through intermediaries. Which is all I have ever said. It is IB who insists he knows all--my point has been throughout this that no, IB does NOT comprehend how international politics works, and the likelihood of a surrender happening with NO private information flow was very, very small.
Show me where I said "I have a list!", or any such thing. I didn't. I said I understand how DC works, and it doesn't work by people or nations not talking.
You can believe anything you wish. But one of the blatantly obvious truths is that IB is so fixated on disagreeing with me that he even took exception to something he says he agreed with! But that wasn't good enough. Since I agreed with JD's post, somehow IB had to find fault with my post, which essentially agreed with IB's. That is how sick he is, and why I feel no guilt about ridiculing him.
You were provided a recommended reading list, you "#Grubered" Odumbo Minion, evidently you're too fucking illiterate to read:
Allen, Thomas B. and Norman Polmar. Code Name Downfall: The Secret Plan to Invade Japan—and Why Truman Dropped the Bomb. New York: Simon and Shuster. 1995. Pp. 352.
Lee, Bruce. Marching Orders: The Untold Story of World War II. New York: Crown Publishers, Incorporated, 1995. pp. xiv, 608.
Rhodes, Richard. The Making of the Atomic Bomb. New York: Simon and Schuster, 1986. pp. 886.
Toland, John. The Rising Sun: The Decline and Fall of the Japanese Empire, 1936-1945. New York: Random House. 1970. pp. xxxvi, 1181.
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Originally Posted by Old-T
My Reply to IB: "Now you are telling me I cannot agree with JD when he is right?
But to your other point, what does the issue of "publicly" yeilding have to do with anything? Do you truly believe there were no PRIVATE discussions leading up to the surrender? This is one of the differences between you and me: I acknowledged JD's point when he is correct. You have to did and try to find a reason to discredit anything I say."
IB's own words acknowledge that there was almost certainly PRIVATE discussions through intermediaries. Which is all I have ever said. It is IB who insists he knows all--my point has been throughout this that no, IB does NOT comprehend how international politics works, and the likelihood of a surrender happening with NO private information flow was very, very small.
Show me where I said "I have a list!", or any such thing. I didn't. I said I understand how DC works, and it doesn't work by people or nations not talking.
You can believe anything you wish. But one of the blatantly obvious truths is that IB is so fixated on disagreeing with me that he even took exception to something he says he agreed with! But that wasn't good enough. Since I agreed with JD's post, somehow IB had to find fault with my post, which essentially agreed with IB's. That is how sick he is, and why I feel no guilt about ridiculing him.
Regarding "disagreeing", Old-THUMPER. JD didn't post that Stalin's time table for "Operation August Storm" was predicated on knowledge of the bomb, Old-THUMPER. Hence, it wasn't JD's point you "agreed" with, Old-THUMPER.
Furthermore, Truman and his inner circle did discuss the status of the Emperor prior to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Old-THUMPER, but Truman REFUSED to yield on that point, Old-THUMPER. Therefore, your notion that the Japanese were informed by the "intermediaries" that Hirohito could remain emperor BEFORE the Japanese tendered their surrender after Nagasaki is pure, unmitigated BS, Old-THUMPER. Truman NEVER even intimated to his own people― let alone the Japanese―that he would yield on the point of "unconditional surrender" before the Japanese surrendered, Old-THUMPER; hence, your bogus and asinine claim otherwise is a BS lie, Old-THUMPER. And you, Old-THUMPER, have been shown to be the liar you are.
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Originally Posted by shanm
4!
This is actually pretty fun.
It's not at all surprising to hear that you're an easily amused simpleton, shamman.
Regarding "disagreeing", Old-THUMPER. JD didn't post that Stalin's time table for "Operation August Storm" was predicated on knowledge of the bomb, Old-THUMPER. Hence, it wasn't JD's point you "agreed" with, Old-THUMPER.
Furthermore, Truman and his inner circle did discuss the status of the Emperor prior to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Old-THUMPER, but Truman REFUSED to yield on that point, Old-THUMPER. Therefore, your notion that the Japanese were informed by the "intermediaries" that Hirohito could remain emperor BEFORE the Japanese tendered their surrender after Nagasaki is pure, unmitigated BS, Old-THUMPER. Truman NEVER even intimated to his own people― let alone the Japanese―that he would yield on the point of "unconditional surrender" before the Japanese surrendered, Old-THUMPER; hence, your bogus and asinine claim otherwise is a BS lie, Old-THUMPER. And you, Old-THUMPER, have been shown to be the liar you are.
It's not at all surprising to hear that you're an easily amused simpleton, shamman.
You seem to be taking this Japanese issue very personally. And VERY hostilely. Do you have a problem with Japanese? It wouldn't surprise me, given you desire to reenslave blacks and your hatred for northerners.
You seem to be taking this Japanese issue very personally. And VERY hostilely. Do you have a problem with Japanese? It wouldn't surprise me, given you desire to reenslave blacks and your hatred for northerners.
And, Old-THUMPER, you'd be, as usual, wrong as well as being a liar.
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Originally Posted by UnderConstruction
secondhand jizz...
And you'd be the queer little specialist who knows how to discern the difference between first-hand jizz, second-hand jizz, third-hand jizz, etc., you "#Grubered" Odumbo Minion.
And, Old-THUMPER, you'd be, as usual, wrong as well as being a liar.
And you'd be the queer little specialist who knows how to discern the difference between first-hand jizz, second-hand jizz, third-hand jizz, etc., you "#Grubered" Odumbo Minion.
And, Old-THUMPER, you'd be, as usual, wrong as well as being a liar.
And you'd be the queer little specialist who knows how to discern the difference between first-hand jizz, second-hand jizz, third-hand jizz, etc., you "#Grubered" Odumbo Minion.
Let me guess: some of your best friends are Japanese...
Let me guess: some of your best friends are Japanese...
And just how many Japanese memoirs have you troubled your sorry ass to read, you Mussulman-luvin, Hitler worshipping, lying, hypocritical, racist, cum-gobbling golem fucktard, HDDB, DEM?
Let me guess: some of your best friends are Japanese...
so, let me see if i get your point here Asshole Rider .. you would rather cost over 1 Million Americans .. and at least as many Japanese if not many times more their lives by not dropping Atomic bombs on Japan to end the war?
you do know that Japan attacked the US in a cowardly sneak attack yes?
and by the way .. NONE of your friends are Jewish. JL proves that. ahaha.
Japan started it.
We ended it.
And while we are on the subject, way too much has been made of American Propaganda depicting Japanese in a racist fashion. We did. And so did the Japanese about America. They lied to their own people that Americans would rape and slaughter them.
War is HELL dumbass. Remember what Patton famously said ..
"You don't win a war by dying for your Country. You win a war by making the other dumb poor bastard die for his"
Remember, Asshole Rider, they caused their own people to do this .. needlessly.
Name ONE atrocity, proven, by American troops? NAME ONE.
the Russians by the way were the very paragons of solider-hood while raping many German women on their way into Germany. oh i know you'll say it was in retaliation for similar treatment by the German Army, but in fact the bulk of the Wehrmacht Officer corps were old school Prussians who had honor. the Majority of German atrocities were committed by the SS.
I'm not going to bother to try to dig it up right now, but i recall reading an account of the Battle of the Bulge where as you should know, the Massacre of Malmedy occurred.
Yes, in retaliation, there was the Massacre of Chenogne. But who started such a brutal slaughter? the SS fanatics.
My point is, and i'll have to dig it up, but i recall reading that after the Massacre of Malmedy, i remember reading that one the top German Generals (an old guard Prussian) summoned the lieutenant colonel who ordered it to him. He asked him "Did you order this!!!" after the lieutenant colonel replied, proudly .. "Yes, Herr General!" that General, without saying one more word, pulled out his Luger and shot that lieutenant colonel on the spot, right in the head.
Fucktard pussy. You'd run and hide rather than fight for America .. or Israel.
And, Old-THUMPER, you'd be, as usual, wrong as well as being a liar.
OK, so you say you are not taking your anti-Japanese sentiments personally. I will take your word for it. Then it must be cold, calculating, and impersonal for you. Surprising. Most your rants and attacks seem more personal than that. Just look at the voluminous personal homophobic and feces insults you toss the way of anyone who has the audacity to disagree with you, don't you?
But personal or impersonal, we now have your confirmation that you despise blacks, northerners, and Japanese. I wonder what other groups?
