How dose a Provider Hobby without her Heart?

[London Rayne]

Yep, and I have always said that. Guys are so quick to say "Sex is not love," or "Sex is not emotions," but so many have contradicted that very notion by seeking so much more than sex in p4p.

[Ninotsugi]

Once Again Thank-U ECCIE Family:

At the risk of repeating myself My Darlings this is a Broken-World, those of us fortunate enough to be born with an Unshakable Integrity are in a continuous struggle...we are unceasingly challenged to push 'Our Lines In The Sand' just a little further back.
London Rayne: You do so much remind me of my Beloved Sister...the Angels will sing when you surrender your Heart to that fortunate individual, by the way YOU are one of the few Courtesans on this Site. My Parents have been Married Forty-Years almost half a Century, I certainly admire and respect your stance on 'Home Wrecking'. I like you DO NOT have Relationships outside the Hobby, perhaps my Faith commands I revere the 'Sanctity of Marriage'...I believe it is OUR Calling to preserve the Marriage we are being Paid.
Brittanybellastar: My Dear your Beauty and Intelligence far surpass one so young...your insight on 'To Thine Own Self Be True' is truly astounding, it would greatly please me to know that your pursuing an Education of some sort. Touching on my Predicament I only wish I possessed your Courage...I shall stay fast on my 'Old School' Belief-System...having given my Word NEVER to contact this Individual again. Hoping as a Child that Wishes upon the Moon...there have been over 2,600 Hits on this Thread perhaps on of them could be his.
Beezdat: We are starting to view your Beautiful Spirit...I believe that a 'True GFE' has the ability to take a Husband assist him in returning to his Complete-Self then send him on his marry way, I would NEVER have the Intention of keeping him from his COMMITMENT.
Mr MojoRisin: You mention Imagination witch happens to be one of my favorite words...is not our Personal perception of the World the only attribute to our Reality, I LOVE your Signature.
The concern here appears to be the establishing of Parameters within the Heart...how can something so intangible weigh so heavily upon our Entire-Beings. Simply put it is by Giving Freely of Ourselves that we Receive Abundance...we are not lessened by what we give to another Human-Being, that Energy IS what we will use to renew our SPIRIT.

[Valerie]

Originally Posted by Ninotsugi

I'm curious regarding the technique of how Veteran-Providers Hobby without there Heart.

Very easily... Save your heart for the ones you love, business and personal feelings should be kept separate.

[JohnnyYanks]

Originally Posted by Valerie

Very easily... Save your heart for the ones you love, business and personal feelings should be kept separate.

Seems to me this is a very prudent approach to any sort of longevity in the hobby. Compartmentalization = Safety/Control. And if I were seeking an only sexual session then I would feel most comfortable with such a provider so well grounded in her business boundaries.

But if I seek an Experience? A couple of hours with more flexible boundaries? A slightly emotionally reckless session? A genuine reaching out for connection, however fleeting? Is that an offer of Love?

[London Rayne]

You're confusing "chemistry during a date" with real life emotions that are reserved for an SO...the latter is what Valerie suggests a separation of. Wanting that feeling or "connection" during your time with a provider, is perfectly normal,and most gfe providers adhere and accommodate that, but it is not something that can be "faked" and you certainly can't "buy chemistry." It is ether there, or it is not.


Furthermore, chemistry is not love as you said, but many guys seem to blur the lines of chemistry and reality. Many of them do in fact assume the girl REALLY likes them, even after they are done with the date. Then, you have all the "I fell for a hooker" threads, saying she led him on lol. No, she did her job...you got it twisted.

Originally Posted by JohnnyYanks

Seems to me this is a very prudent approach to any sort of longevity in the hobby. Compartmentalization = Safety/Control. And if I were seeking an only sexual session then I would feel most comfortable with such a provider so well grounded in her business boundaries.

But if I seek an Experience? A couple of hours with more flexible boundaries? A slightly emotionally reckless session? A genuine reaching out for connection, however fleeting? Is that an offer of Love?

[JohnnyYanks]

Originally Posted by London Rayne

You're confusing "chemistry during a date" with real life emotions that are reserved for an SO...

I am not confused in the least. Perhaps my communication is lacking.


Furthermore, chemistry is not love as you said

[COLOR="rgb(75, 0, 130)"]I said no such thing. In fact my 2nd paragraph contained no statements, only questions.[/COLOR]

... but many guys seem to blur the lines of chemistry and reality.

It seems maybe you blur the line. If "chemistry" is not "real," than I suggest it is not chemistry. Civility, professionalism, playtime, might all be better descriptors. Chemistry = connection, no?


Many of them do in fact assume the girl REALLY likes them, even after they are done with the date.

And why would you not REALLY like your clients (obviously some more than others), even after the date?


Then, you have all the "I fell for a hooker" threads ...

Sure, and those tend to be sad and embarrassing. And it seems that those are often cases of an inability to distinguish between vulnerability and Love, or between affection and In Love.


I hold love in my heart for many of the providers I have seen. How could I not - I have truly valued what I received and the generosity with which it was given. But that does not mean I have any inclination or expectation or desire to extend our relationship beyond where it now sits: Provider/Hobbyist.

[London Rayne]

Um, I don't spend my off time thinking about my clients after they have left...my part in their lives is over until they seek my 'services' again. Just because I don't obsess over them, does not mean I dislike them, but don't kid yourself..many providers can't stand their clients and the reviews confirm it. Again, that was the point. I can like a guy for an hour or however long we spend together, yet know I would never date him in real life. Like and attraction, once again, are nowhere near the same thing. I can't stand many men I think are drop dead gorgeous, but I adore many men I don't find the least bit attractive.

I did not accuse you of saying "chemistry was love," but merely pointed out that you had a grasp on the fact that it was not. Now, are you suggesting it is?

Chemistry is real with some men 'during a date', yes, but some guys mistake that chemistry they had for an hour with THE REAL THING after the date is over with...that was my only point. Again, some providers are that good at faking admiration, but that does still not mean it is real lol.

Just because I have "sexual chemistry" with a guy who is paying me to fk him, does NOT mean that is how I would feel about him if he were not paying me. Making sense now? Some women here are so good at being a true gfe, that they really have guys thinking they want to marry them! So, though you seem to have things in perspective, don't assume all guys do...because most have proven just the opposite. Each month, we hear about a provider who has yet another deluded stalker.

[wildwooly1]

Chemistry and liking someone is totally different than love,and having some type of relationship..when we see a provider we are paying for a 1 or 2 hour fantasy and depending on her skills and personality is how good she can make you believe she's your girlfriend or sex partner ..but in reality she's just yours until the money runs out !
As soon as those Benjamin's quit flowing so does your fantasy !
Is it possible to have a friendship with a provider...yes ; but still its just that a friendship with a provider..it's not a friendship with a woman you met somewhere.
She looks at you as a client not some guy she met and befriended.
Once you establish a client - provider relationship thats what you both are and there's no changing that ..you just paid her to be there and to leave when its over and if you think you fall in love its just lust not love.
That was her job..she made you happy ! Some women are just better at it than others.

[Guest071313-5]

+1 WW.

It's about time for me to fall in lust again.



Ninotsugi, if you had a blog I would read it.

[wildwooly1]

Hey Beez,
I love that avatar..that ass looks sort of familiar...anyone I know?

[Guest071313-5]

Originally Posted by wildwooly1

Hey Beez,
I love that avatar..that ass looks sort of familiar...anyone I know?

Lol it's funny you said that, I was thinking the same thing when I saw it. It's not her though, just a random pic.

[wildwooly1]

either way...I like it !!!

[Ninotsugi]

Once Again Thank-U ECCIE Family:


My Glorious-Spirits why are we so wrapped up in the Limitations and Definitions of the word LOVE...actually the English word LOVE comes from the Norse/Viking word for Vagina. Are you truly willing to define your Inner-Self Expression by such a limited concept, both Greek and Latin our 'Base Languages' have SEVERAL words to express the variety of this Emotion.
London Rayne: Your Strength of Character is such a rare Commodity in this Broken-World, I'm 200% with you regarding 'Chemistry During a Date' it cannot in any way be FAKED... perhaps WE can replace the word LOVE and say we are Expressing Genuine CARE for another. You touched on the 'Deluded Stalker' and his Misguided Affections...have you ever studied the Profiles of those afflicted by this Phenomenon? You and I know that neither one of us would fall into the 'Category', and if we did it would be a VERY short lived Affair.
Valerie: Welcome my Lovely English Rose you do make a Poinuet-Statement...I would have never believed that my little Thread would receive any International Attention.
Johnny Yanks: I'm fortunate in that the Hobby is just that for me I have a Career in RE so the majority of my Dates ARE Connections...the Gentleman I see repeatedly ARE 'Eros Relationships', however when I walk out the door there is NO contact until they summon ME.
Wildwooly1: Being a bit OCD I always do research your Encounters predominantly are over two-hours, so the question I'll pose is why are you so Jaded? Some of us do not Socialize with Gentleman outside this Arena, does it matter the Environment your Friendship was born?
Beezdat: Yes...underneath all the rederich lies a Heart of Gold, Thank-You for the Compliment.
To sum this all up we Providers are Practitioners of the Oldest-Profession known to Man, it is high time we 'Took The Power Back'...with this comes a responsibility to not mislead or misrepresent ourselves to our Hobbyist (Benefactors). Lets make an attempt to bring this to the standards of the 'Temple of Aphrodite' where it started, I'm most certain there was no quibbling on the proper amount of Eros provided then.

[wildwooly1]

Wildwooly1: Being a bit OCD I always do research your Encounters predominantly are over two-hours, so the question I'll pose is why are you so Jaded? Some of us do not Socialize with Gentleman outside this Arena, does it matter the Environment your Friendship was born?

Yes as a matter of fact it does matter where our friendship was born...In the business arena you meet and become friends with all sorts of people and as you do business with some people you become friends ; but are they true friends?
I have seen people who I believed were good friends cast you aside when they lost the business and come to find out they were only there because of the monetary gain.
I have friends of all different calibers and I have several providers I call friends but just as London and several others have stated ..do you think if you quit paying them they would meet you and just be friends?
True friends stick with you thru thick and thin ..no matter what you do or have done and are never judge mental and they are there thru the best of times and worst of times.
a person is very lucky if they have someone they can call a true friend ..most people can count their true friends on one hand and if you have more than 5 you are truly blessed !
let things go bad and the money stop and see whos left standing - those who are there that are not family members are true friends.
Yes I do mostly two hour appointments because I do enjoy the providers or atf's I do see and most that I see I would call friends ..but again I don't confuse what type of friendship it is.
I wish that all providers were like you and they would put their heart and passion into each meeting it would be great !!
Its fantastic when you can find that chemistry with someone and enjoy your time with them but yes I am a bit synical when it comes to calling someone a friend or lover.

[London Rayne]

No, I have not spent much time studying these guys other than trying to avoid them, but a common trait among all real stalkers is rejection in some form or another. They fixate on someone they can't have, and it's not that they even "want" that person for love, but just their own selfish bs. I have had my share of both the amateur cyber stalkers, and the more dangerous, real life stalkers.