Romney likes Churchil better than Abraham Lincoln

[JD Barleycorn]

Lets correct one piece of pure misinformation; Churchill was turned out in July of 1945. The war in Europe ended in MAY of 1945. Churchill was there for the surrender of the Germans.

As reported by the UK Guardian, the bust of Churchill that set in the Oval Office when George Bush was president now sits in the office of the British Ambassador. Obama DID have it sent back! Obama lied again! Another bust, not the same bust, was kept in the White House somewhere away from Obama.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by essence

I think there is more written on this topic here then ever written in the whole of the British press.

Didn't you know, journalists have to file copy, doesn't mean anybody is the slightest bit interested.

We buy newspapers to wrap up fish and chips, not to read.

ps the British press has recently been more concerned about telephone hacking, and ow many journalists are going to jail. There are prosecutions, quite serious.

The Daily telegraph has some good copy, but is also full of tittle tattle, wiff waff, and right royal nonsense.

It's funny you didn't choose to remark on the excesses of the British press for criticizing Romney's choice of words when he spoke about "disconcerting reports" coming out of London!?!

[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn
So you could say that both statements are true not that Doove would notice. He believes what he wants to believe. So Romney is 100% correct. There is NO bust of Churchill in the Oval Office.

Originally Posted by Doove

The statement that a bust was returned is true. The underlying meaning behind that which the right wing nut brigade would like us to believe is not.

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought
So all along you knew the bust in question by some was returned, yet you attacked me with a misleading post?

Originally Posted by Doove

Nope.

so ok its obvious this guy is confused although he may claim he didnt attack me or maybe he'll claim that he didnt attack me with a misleading post, but it was quite misleading. (dang, i am giving him outs)

but now i am further confused for the Editor of the editorial page of no less than the paper of record, the New York Times on July 27, 2012 stated this in a column:

"It’s true that the president removed the Churchill bust from the Oval Office, but he didn’t “send it packing” back to Britain. All he did was place it in the White House residence, outside the treaty room.

he called it THE Churchill bust, obviously a reference to the bust in question, not just another bust, not a bust found to fade the heat obama felt, but the bust. and it wasnt send anywhere according to him, it was placed elsewhere in the white house.

here is his column:

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/...ll-or-bust/?hp


maybe the column has some hidden obama/doove weasel word in there somewhere that fools one yet can be pointed to as cover. i'm not used to looking for weasel words, i am used to plain meanings and being truthful so maybe its my fault for posting this but it confuses me.

[Doove]

It took you 2 days to come up with a response to a 1 word comment?

[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by Doove

It took you 2 days to come up with a response to a 1 word comment?

dude i dont live here

things to do

plus i have been sick havent looked in much just had my iphone in bed and it was a struggle to look and respond..i thought i would copy both the thing to jd and then me and im iphone clueless ..waited for the computer

thanks for the concern

[davec.0121]

Originally Posted by theaustinescorts

Boy how could you be so dead wrong on so many facts and still have the gall to debate me on anything.

Churchill was turned out of office while the war was still going on.

Who was the British Prime Minister when the Germans surrendered? It wasn't Churchill..

Your ignorance of history is exceeded only by the repulsiveness of your opinions. You are wrong on almost every factual point, and your blatant admiration for the Nazis, who, despite what you would like to believe, murdered upwards fo 12 million people (a conservative estimate) because they were racially inferior is disgusting. Just an example of your wilfull distortions: the Germans surrendered on 8 May 1945. Churchill lost the election in July, 1945. In fact, he was attending the Potsdam Conference of the Big 3 in Potsdam, Germany, when he was turned out of office. Try to get your facts at least a little right, even if your opinions belong in a sewer.

[cptjohnstone]

Originally Posted by davec.0121

Your ignorance of history is exceeded only by the repulsiveness of your opinions. You are wrong on almost every factual point, and your blatant admiration for the Nazis, who, despite what you would like to believe, murdered upwards fo 12 million people (a conservative estimate) because they were racially inferior is disgusting. Just an example of your wilfull distortions: the Germans surrendered on 8 May 1945. Churchill lost the election in July, 1945. In fact, he was attending the Potsdam Conference of the Big 3 in Potsdam, Germany, when he was turned out of office. Try to get your facts at least a little right, even if your opinions belong in a sewer.

like I keep saying, "dumbest poster of year", doofus a close 2nd

[IIFFOFRDB]

Y'all don't remember Obitchlips throwing a fit over the Chuchill bust. I'm sure Valarie had alot to do with this temper tantrum. I'm sure mentioning both of their names in one post got Douchees Ass wet..hope he has some tampax or depends on hand..

[JD Barleycorn]

Read Dinesh D'Souza's book about Obama's hatred of England. It used to be because the British captured his grandfather and tortured him. Thanks to the new book on Obama we know that never happened so why does Obama hate England?

[essence]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

It's funny you didn't choose to remark on the excesses of the British press for criticizing Romney's choice of words when he spoke about "disconcerting reports" coming out of London!?!

It simply was worth mentioning, just tittle tattle. I only mentioned the press because somebody else brought it up.

Yes, Olympic security with the private firm contracted was a fiasco.

No, there won't be any security issues.

Yes, Romney would have been more polite had he not mentioned his cousin's little local difficulties.

No, the bus from Heathrow did not spend 4 hours getting to the village, it took one wrong turning which delayed it by a few minutes.

It's just filling the pages. I read the Daily Telegraph daily. A lot of it is bollocks, written by journalists just out of school, but if you ignore all that some facts can be found.

[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Thanks to the new book on Obama we know that never happened so why does Obama hate England?

because it was the British "Empire"

its is the repository of his blame for world inequities

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by essence

It simply was worth mentioning, just tittle tattle. I only mentioned the press because somebody else brought it up. . .

It's just filling the pages. I read the Daily Telegraph daily. A lot of it is bollocks, written by journalists just out of school, but if you ignore all that some facts can be found.

A little " tit-for-tat". Nothing more; nothing less. ijs

[Guest050715-1]

Churchill is one of the most galvanizing icons of the most violent century in human kind. The loaned bust should have stayed as a nicety if nothing else. How would we like it if Cameron sending back a bust of FDR that we lent them because FDR “displeased” the PM so. It seems the Obamas just luv, luv, luv insulting the British and the crown. Giving the Queen an iPod and giving her a little ole hug!

Originally Posted by Doove

The British spend 2 days telling the world they're offended by Romney's comments.

The Brits outrage over the Olympic comment is nothing but Setting Sun sour grapes. It’s note worthy if your Immigration Department is going to / threatening to go on strike during the biggest event of the last four years except for the Wedding that the Obamas were snubbed over and not invited to attend.

Originally Posted by Doove

Apparently you didn't hear the news. There is a Churchill bust in the WH. Always has been.

Punked again by your own right wing blogs.

Always? Are you sure about that? LOL The one that Obama sent back was a diplomatic gesture from the British. Obama’s good at giving, let’s call them gestures, to everyone that is “beneath” his brilliant intellect and forward thinking ways. But I’m going to back to 90% of the time you have no argument.

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Must have been taken "out of context".

Na, it’s just the bandwidth filling mocking because 90% of the time he has no argument.

Originally Posted by CJ7

I did a book report on him in the 7th grade and got an A+,



I had didnt have you figured for a savage canibal

we were both wrong ..

Look at you. I would not have thought most 7th graders were mature enough to understand global politics and world war. Hmm, who amongst here would have guessed it?

Originally Posted by cptjohnstone

but in the morning,I will be sober and theaustinescourts will still be ugly

Winston, if I were your wife, I’d put poison in your coffee.

Lady Astor, if I were your husband I’d drink it.

Amen joe bloe, essence, davec, and everyone else that took the time to point out that TAE is, I'll call it, out of bounds.

[theaustinescorts]

Originally Posted by davec.0121

Your ignorance of history is exceeded only by the repulsiveness of your opinions. You are wrong on almost every factual point, and your blatant admiration for the Nazis, who, despite what you would like to believe, murdered upwards fo 12 million people (a conservative estimate) because they were racially inferior is disgusting. Just an example of your wilfull distortions: the Germans surrendered on 8 May 1945. Churchill lost the election in July, 1945. In fact, he was attending the Potsdam Conference of the Big 3 in Potsdam, Germany, when he was turned out of office. Try to get your facts at least a little right, even if your opinions belong in a sewer.

As I've said before, I am no admirer of the Nazis.

Nor am I an admirer of the Soviet communists, the British Imperialists, the feckless French, or the sanctimonious Americans such as Franklin Roosevelt.

The victors of course got the write the history, such as at Nuremberg, and therefore they're blind to their hypocracy [except for those in the know like LeMay and McNamara who admit that area bombing was a massive war crime].

My point is that all these figures perpetrated massive war crimes, some more eggregious than others.

This is of course the reason why the US helped Nazis escape after the war. That is undeniable.

This is of course the reason why the US put the Nazis back into the intelligence/covert action game after the war. That is undeniable.

If you're going to persist in your childish, sanctimonius notions of moral superiority over the Nazis than take it up with the CIA and the American government....not me.

I'm not the one who helped the Nazis after the war...it was YOUR AMERICAN GOVERNMENT.

[essence]

You say you are no admirer of the Nazis.

A couple of paragraphs later you attack those who consider themselves morally superior to Nazis.

You have previously said Churchill was no worse morally than Hitler.

Don't you detect some inner conflicts within yourself?

Please go and get help. It's not funny.