GOP sits on its hands...again

[eyecu2]

Originally Posted by FesteredUncle

The only actual concern they have is them sitting on the wallet of money .....(sic) while not spending for stuff we do actually need.

What things would you want the GOP to spend on? - that is -once they get done sitting on those hands.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

What things would you want the GOP to spend on? - that is -once they get done sitting on those hands.

I'm with Festered Uncle on this one. This may be a good thing, that the politicians in Washington can't "get things done."

There are reports this evening that some members of Congress are talking about an arrangement where Democrats would vote for a Republican for Speaker, and their only requirement would be that bills with bipartisan support be brought to the floor for a vote. I personally wouldn't mind seeing that happen, as I believe it would improve Republicans chances of holding the House in 2024. It would be better at the ballot box than the current situation or Jim Jordan as Speaker. Jordan would run off independents.

It will be interesting to see how things develop.

[FesteredUncle]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

What things would you want the GOP to spend on? - that is -once they get done sitting on those hands.

Not much at all - that is, once they get done sitting on our wallet. Close the boarder, paid for by the savings of cutting 10% of every government agency and shuttering a few. Rinse and repeat next year.

Don't know if you ever worked in the corporate life. It does not behave like the government. In the real world, lay-offs happen. In Bidenomics, they happen a lot. It is long past time to reduce the the Federal government substantially and get it's grubby little tentacles out of our wallets.

Simple fact: We are a Republic. We have more direct influence in local and State politics and policies. We are not a Democracy. If YOU want to donate YOUR money to a cause, say to some LGBTQ appreciation education overseas, go for it. I don't. So get your grubby little tentacles out of my pocket. Last year the Federal Government allocated about $4B overseas for that cause.

Joe Biden Has2Go

US Gives More Than $4.1 Billion in Grants for LGBT and Transgender Initiatives Worldwide

"Excerpt:
"Of grants connected to the keyword "LGBT," individual payouts of at least $1 million totaled more than $3.7 billion combined. Many additional smaller grants also were awarded for LGBT initiatives but were not reviewed.

When the list was filtered for grants including the word "transgender," 574 were listed. In that category, grants that paid out at least $1 million totaled nearly $478 million. Seven direct payments and nine loans with the keyword "transgender" also were issued by the U.S. government." "

[FesteredUncle]

Originally Posted by Tiny

I'm with Festered Uncle on this one. This may be a good thing, that the politicians in Washington can't "get things done."

I suspect you know that the architects of this Republic (if we ca keep it) were fairly maniacal on creating a Federal government that would have a very difficult time of "getting things done" easily.

As you may recall, those architects had just finished fighting a war against a repressive and tyrannical government, as defined by taking their money and giving nothing in return. Some even said it was a Revolutionary idea at the time.

[eyecu2]

Seems like things like continuing resolutions and omnibus spending are really a problem. Pork spending in big bills, and on-going resolutions that just maintain the Status Quo. I get that nobody wants the spend-a-thon to happen, but that isn't really a partisan situation. It's a "that's how we do that" -ism.

While the "self-imposed pause" doesn't seem bad, it in reality is not either a good solution for the purpose of the house, nor is it a functional ability for congress to do it's job. I also understand that congress takes a 7 week pause every year, so it's not always in session, but this is not one of those situations, and with wars looming all over the place- This is just not a tenable situation by definition or proxy.


Imagine what would happen if some country decides to do a Beirut version 2.0 ; or if you want a closed border- you need to have legislation that directs that. Not sure where there is any murkiness in that need??

[eyecu2]

Originally Posted by Tiny

There are reports this evening that some members of Congress are talking about an arrangement where Democrats would vote for a Republican for Speaker, and their only requirement would be that bills with bipartisan support be brought to the floor for a vote. I personally wouldn't mind seeing that happen, as I believe it would improve Republicans chances of holding the House in 2024.
It will be interesting to see how things develop.

I agree on the spirit of electing a speaker who will bring bi-partisan support bills to the floor- which is actually a great thing. Nothing wasted more than time and effort for ppl who develop bills and they never see the light of day. Talk about waste! Whether that keeps republicans in office or termed a RINO for working with a damn lefty socialist, and primaried, is a whole other thing.

It's sad that from my perspective, collaborating on legislation would be a possible reason to lose seats, but maybe I'm only seeing that from the demeaning terms thrown at anyone who dares reach across the aisle. I have never heard of a better reason for Term Limits in my life.

[1blackman1]

Republicans can’t govern. It’s on full display.

They wanted the house but really just wanted to be an opposition party. They can’t even pick a speaker which is the most basic function. I hope Jimbo wins. He’ll spend the next year having a clown show. No legislation will come from the house that’s got a snowball chance of becoming law aside from renaming parks and post offices. We can almost guarantee a govt shutdown since he is a shit negotiator.

The likes of Gaetz won’t have him kicked out but he’ll learn quick enough that they’ll never agree to passing anything that can get through the senate to signature and he’ll have a very difficult time negotiating with democrats to pass something.

I’ll watch for the humor, even while congress is burning.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Republicans can’t govern. It’s on full display.

They wanted the house but really just wanted to be an opposition party. They can’t even pick a speaker which is the most basic function. I hope Jimbo wins. He’ll spend the next year having a clown show. No legislation will come from the house that’s got a snowball chance of becoming law aside from renaming parks and post offices. We can almost guarantee a govt shutdown since he is a shit negotiator.

The likes of Gaetz won’t have him kicked out but he’ll learn quick enough that they’ll never agree to passing anything that can get through the senate to signature and he’ll have a very difficult time negotiating with democrats to pass something.

I’ll watch for the humor, even while congress is burning.

Must have missed Con Law... lol

[Salty Again]

... No worrys there, mates.

There will be MORE Republicans in the House and Senate
after next year... Along with a Republican President!

Won't be any sitting on hands then...

#### Salty

[FesteredUncle]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Republicans can’t govern. It’s on full display.

They wanted the house but really just wanted to be an opposition party. They can’t even pick a speaker which is the most basic function. I hope Jimbo wins. He’ll spend the next year having a clown show. No legislation will come from the house that’s got a snowball chance of becoming law aside from renaming parks and post offices. We can almost guarantee a govt shutdown since he is a shit negotiator.

The likes of Gaetz won’t have him kicked out but he’ll learn quick enough that they’ll never agree to passing anything that can get through the senate to signature and he’ll have a very difficult time negotiating with democrats to pass something.

I’ll watch for the humor, even while congress is burning.

I'm good with that. Need new names for post offices anyway. Minimal costs to We the Taxpayers. The rest can rot.

[FesteredUncle]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

Seems like things like continuing resolutions and omnibus spending are really a problem. Pork spending in big bills, and on-going resolutions that just maintain the Status Quo. I get that nobody wants the spend-a-thon to happen, but that isn't really a partisan situation. It's a "that's how we do that" -ism.

That right there is the problem. The $4B for LGTB-whatnot, was not a singular value (actually it was closer to $4.1B), instead it was a constant smattering across multiple bills, that is to say - tacked on to other spending, piece meal. One deal here, then there. That's a fundamental problem in need of a solution.

[eyecu2]

Originally Posted by FesteredUncle

That right there is the problem. The $4B for LGTB-whatnot, was not a singular value (actually it was closer to $4.1B), instead it was a constant smattering across multiple bills, that is to say - tacked on to other spending, piece meal. One deal here, then there. That's a fundamental problem in need of a solution.

I agree- but I don't think they will ever get rid of it fully. Pork spending and special projects are how a LOT of projects ever see the light of day. Highway funding, internet improvements and general improvements to things like state parks etc., usually end up as tack-on's to other bills and would by themselves likely not make it to the floor to vote; especially today in tribal politics.

Take a look at Rep Bird from West Virginia who got more improvements to the road system in WV than any other state in general. And if you drive on those roads, they indeed show that they were very highly in need of repairs recieved. The Gorge National park now generates 96 million in income due to the buiding of that single bridge that took a 40 minute re-route to a 1 minute to cross bridge that cost 40 million. (today it would likely cost 10x that amount.)

Anyway,- the point is a lot of projects, large and small come from those add on spending omnibus bills. Some good, some not so good. Some written by congress, some by the lobbyists, which is where I think the problems lie. Getting the congress to stop it is just wishful thinking, similar to term limits;

Shit we all know would benefit the general operation of congress, but have a snowballs chance in hell of being passed. These people don't know how to limit themselves when the drink out of the public trough. They get their fill and line the pockets with the rest. Both parties are equally bad in this regard.

But today's question is will Gymbo - "Jockstrap" Jordan get passed the 217 votes to be Speaker today or anyday? Or will it be back to the drawing board. I'm afraid that should Jordan get in, it will result in a locked up house that gets ZERO bills through to the Senate. The result will be an impotent body that is simply sitting on it's hands.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

I'm afraid that should Jordan get in, it will result in a locked up house that gets ZERO bills through to the Senate. The result will be an impotent body that is simply sitting on it's hands.

Why? That's exactly how the system was designed to work. Why SHOULD Congress be writing new laws every day? When was the last time Congress ACTUALLY completed a formal budget for submission?

It can't fcuking walk let alone chew bubble gum. A Congress that can't do anything is better than a Congress spending money we don't have and making laws that further reduce our liberty.

[1blackman1]

I’ve no doubt Jimbo will get the position, though only being able to lose 3 could make it possible there’s multiple roll calls. For many a vote for Jordan is a vote for Trump, rather than having a working congress. What can be sure is that 2024 is getting more likely to be a democrat congress, so that is good for Jeffries. There’s 12 Dem+ republicans who will lose in the next election if they support Jordan.

The whole logic of “primary challenge” by MAGA in a Biden+ or Dem+ district against a moderate is dead on arrival as a threat. I look forward to a year of nothing by the Republican congress

lol. Republicans just killed Jordan’s first vote. lol.
Looking like Jordan has to change many a more vote today.

[eyecu2]

Latest ranglings on the floor of the house are saying Jordan doesn't have the votes. He is going to bring forth a motion to give Patrick McHenry more power vs. the perfunctory meager powers he has. Who knows what the shit-show is gonna yield.

Lastly -The Republicans blamed the Democrats for not voting for Jordan. What a laugh!

The next vote is going to be a matter of pulling on Jordan's pecker till it's got a blister, and still he'll fall short of 217 votes.

Jordan is the leader of the Monkees acting amorous with a football.

What a douchebag - and the GOP wants him to lead their circus.