To Providers: how can some of you be out of business due to financial difficulties?

[GneissGuy]

Guys, be reasonable. Girls have to meet expenses. Blue water is expensive.

[jimbo]

Just my 2 cents - don't flame.

The problem is that most providers dont look at themselves like other products. unfortunately they are. When any product is new to the market and appealing, it can be priced at a premium. As time goes by and competition sets in, products are either given a second life by new design and upgrades or are discounted on the asking price (not occasional discounts).

This does not happen for providers. Almost all price themselves around the current new price ($$ or $$.5). If they cant get this they get out of the business.

To have a long life as a product there should be different tiers of regular pricing.

$$.5
$$
$.5
and yes $.

So for those of you not seeing enough business, move your regular price down into a lower level (or two), advertise it aggressively and see your business improve. Take it from a product marketing guy. It works.

If you don't get enough business at $ then its probably time to leave.

[Deja Dubois]

Everything goes grey at the end. Everything. Enjoy life now because it doesn't last forever.

Deja Dubois'

[bkat6049]

You know, I got my own shit to worry about here.... I got an amount of $'s each month I hobby with and when it's gone, I don't hobby again until next month...

I had more $'s a couple of years ago than I do today, but pussy was more expensive then... I still do my thing and the last thing on earth I want to do is get in someone's business and tell them how to run their finances...

I'm not a freaking CPA, just an old guy trying to do the best he can and get a little pussy here and there...

[Brooke Cumsalot]

Originally Posted by jimbo

Just my 2 cents - don't flame.

The problem is that most providers dont look at themselves like other products. unfortunately they are.

i agree.. to the fullest . thats why i kinda got in this hobby. most of u know im bout to graduate. with a degree in mass communications (public relations) which has really helped me in this hobby. which if yall didnt know the degree consist of marketing, advertising, networking, and being able to repair a repuation or image of a "product" or company when times do get "GREY" as somebody mentioned earlier.

**i also agree with tara, saving money so when were 60 were layin on the beach drinkin martinis knowing your secure and comfortable. and hopefully soon ill be able to use my degree for something else in this real world lol

[Tatiana Blaze]

Originally Posted by GneissGuy

Guys, be reasonable. Girls have to meet expenses. Blue water is expensive.

I agree. Does it take a GneissGuy to get it finally? You get what you pay for... (Read between his lines.) On the other hand, save, save, save or find alternate jobs for when times are rough. Im happy with mine.

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Tatiana Blaze

[Copierguy0]

Providers = 969 as of today on this board

Some Providers are Homeless
Some Providers are about to be Homeless
Some Providers are Struggling & Starving

I am happy to see that the few ladies that posted
are doing well and have great things on their Horizons.
I guess it is easier to say: let everyone worry about
themselfs when you are on the right side of the fence.

What about the other 965 Providers?
Is this a Community? or every man/Woman for themselfs?
Can we stay on Topic here and find a Solution?
and help the ones that DON'T have a degree?

just saying,
CG

[Brooke Cumsalot]

oh im all about community, and family.. but honestly the only person u can depend on or rely for ur "solution".. is YOUR SELF and GOD (if u believe). who has time to try and save people.. * always been taught to worry about yourself.. and lead by example.
believe me if i could.. i would make sure nobody was homeless.. and i would make sure nobodys broke.. but come on now.. i guess i can try
CHANGING MY NAME TO WONDER-BROOKE : cumsalot when needed to save the day haha*with the cape and all

[VeronicaMoore]

Well, the OBVIOUS solution would be for EVERYONE to just lower their rates to $100/hr. That will be the end of the broke providers problems. We will all become kajillionaires, there will be a tail free-for-all and everyone will be happy!! YAY!!!!!!





Until someone starts charging $99 and then others are pressured by bi-weekly threads by hobbyists scrutinizing rates to lower theirs as well (because of... TEH EKONOMEEE!! ). Cuz you know, it just makes sense to just keep on dropping the rates!! DUH!!!







Or... (and I know this is a pretty drastic and controversial idea here) everyone can just mind their own business and charge what they feel like and pay for what they can afford and stop worrying about how others are making and spending THEIR OWN money.

[Tatiana Blaze]

Originally Posted by VeronicaMoore

Or... (and I know this is a pretty drastic and controversial idea here) everyone can just mind their own business and charge what they feel like and pay for what they can afford and stop worrying about how others are making and spending THEIR OWN money.

Thank-You, Done here.

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Tatiana

[CassidyBlue]

Originally Posted by Copierguy0

Providers = 969 as of today on this board

Some Providers are Homeless
Some Providers are about to be Homeless
Some Providers are Struggling & Starving

I am happy to see that the few ladies that posted
are doing well and have great things on their Horizons.
I guess it is easier to say: let everyone worry about
themselfs when you are on the right side of the fence.

What about the other 965 Providers?
Is this a Community? or every man/Woman for themselfs?
Can we stay on Topic here and find a Solution?
and help the ones that DON'T have a degree?

just saying,
CG

Dude~

This is like your 50th frickin post spouting your drivel that providers should lower their rates. When you start providing these same services to the community, charge what you want. Hell, bet you will even get some takers if you run a $99 special.

Oh hell, if you film it you can even try selling it to the members to make a little more cash. Ohhhh, ohhhh, then you will have more disposable income and can actually pay a fair rate instead of getting on here and telling us that our rates should fit YOUR budget.

Happy hunting...

[Guest010615]

[Copierguy0]

Originally Posted by CassidyBlue

Dude~

This is like your 50th frickin post spouting your drivel that providers should lower their rates. When you start providing these same services to the community, charge what you want. Hell, bet you will even get some takers if you run a $99 special.

Oh hell, if you film it you can even try selling it to the members to make a little more cash. Ohhhh, ohhhh, then you will have more disposable income and can actually pay a fair rate instead of getting on here and telling us that our rates should fit YOUR budget.

Happy hunting...

I am done, thank you ladies on your views about this subject.
I am NOT the only hobbyist posting here FYI
I don't need to run any kind of special, i am the CUSTOMER.

CG

[jarza]

While anxiously waiting for DFK Hunter's story lines, I read through this thread and thought I would put in my 2 cents.

CG: why not bring price down? (Valid observation with current economic situation, but...)
[Disclaimer: I dont write like a wallstreet journalist, so please excuse any wrong terms or anything that may be confusing, again, just my 2 cents]

Competition:
This hobby is operating under free market, but cartels could still exist. So economic principle of supply and demand applies as well as vendors willingness to compromise. In any free market, there are competitions, when store A decide to lower price a bit to bring in more customers to their shop, Store B will typically react by offer incentives or lower their price a bit more or at Store A level. Then Store A reacts and this sea-saw will end up at a equilibrium point, which the customer is the winner. However unlike other apple to apple sectors of market, hobby market got its apples, oranges, melons, grapes etc, multiple flavors. (man-mades, all-naturals, athletic, bbw, etc etc). Until each flavor group decide to lower its price or offer incentives, competition doesnt happen. Like when you see oranges at $0.50/pound while grapes were still selling $2.99/pound. The thing is, price cut doesnt have to be alot to see competition, $5 here, then competitor might lower by $5 their side, and so goes seasaw chain...

This brings up my next point, cartel. If you dont know what cartel is, think OPEC, oil companies. I remember when gasoline was at $5.00/gallon a few years ago. People want put pressure on OPEC to lower price. Their response, HAH! Of course, we could start biking or walking to places, but most us just sacrifice other luxuries. Back to point, if providers decide they need to stick together and set standard for their price, then there isn't much us hobbiest can do about it, unless you go try other hobby, I don't know, breakdance. .

Oh, there's also this.
IMAGE:
Most ladies on this side of hobby have a higher image to maintain. It's like Toyota and Lexus, they're pretty much the same, heck even made the same company. (I pick toyota because they've been on the news quite a bit lately, first car company that came to my mind). One is consider luxury car, higher status. I guess driving a lexus give you this higher status feel. What does Lexus do when facing difficult times, they offer specials, incentives to bring in more customer. Are they still consider a luxury car, Yes, if you see Lexus at much lower price than they usually go for and think it's a "steal", would you go for it, most likely yes.

My thought: This is like any business, if one learns to adapt and adjust, and put customer satisfaction as a top priority, they'll go a long way.

OFF TOPIC: (No need to read if you dont want to)
Someone here mentioned College degree and such, you know degrees are not hard to get these days, night classes, online classes. It's all about what you're willing to do to compromise. I had a chat with a man I met on the airplane a while back. He worked at a middle-of-no-where plant, the money was good, but it was long hours, barely any time to spent with family. Of course nearest "civilization" was farfar away, it was hard on the family. He ended up taking online classes and accepted a lower paying job in a metropolitan city. More time to spend with his family and they can enjoy luxury of "civilization". He told me, "pick your priorities, just don't have regrets later." Wise words that still echo in my head.

I need to keep replies small
Jarz@

[Guest030911]

Originally Posted by cpi3000

1) Talk about hobbynomics on a SHMB.

2) Inquire about how escorts manage their money on a SHMB.

5 pages of this nonsense and now you can see why.

Originally Posted by pmdelites

elighten me, if you please, what's a SHMB??
"... ... message board" ??

Silly Hooker Message Board...

I didn't invent the term. Do not know know did. It is an often used term by many old timers and another board uses the term a lot as it's posters do not take this hobby seriously and make fun of those who do. My personal feelings have changed a lot regarding how seriously I take these boards. It is simply a form of entertainment for me most of the time.