I know I said I wouldn't respond. But your ignorance of firearms is only surpassed by your desire to take them away.
There are plenty of times when cars are used to attempt to murder. They just don't make headlines. Here's an article where it happened right here in KC. Bet you didn't even know. So, again, just because it doesn't make front-page news doesn't mean it doesn't happen. The point is EVERY time someone uses a gun, it's national, front-page news. But I'd be willing to bet just about every beat cop that's every pulled street duty has had someone try to run him at least once. Can't prove it. But I've known enough cops to know the ones I met have.
http://www.pitch.com/2011-01-20/news/club-oasis-raid/. But how many have had legally-owned handguns pulled on them....a few for sure. But not as many as ILLEGALLY owned guns. So, again, let's enforce the laws we have before wee make more unenforceable laws.
And the law is "weak". Really? Do you know that it wasn't posted that carry wasn't allowed? Do you? No, you don't. Most CC laws are written in a way that gives latitude to premise owners to make their own decisions as to allow, or not allow, CC weapons. You can carry into most restaurants or grocery stores in town UNLESS they post a no carry sign....which most do! So in effect, there are far fewer places you can carry than what it says on paper. Believe or don't. I knew you wouldn't put any credence in any statistics from the NRA. You say "prove it" and then choose to disregard it or downplay it when it's not to your liking. Tough shit. I haven't seen you back up anything you say with anything at all. Your entire argument is unsubstantiated, but yet you demand others validate their position. Validate yours and we'll go from there. But you can't, can you?
And high-capacity clips, like DD said, will never go away. They'll be here, they'll get smuggled, they can alter existing ones (at times) to allow more. Clips are durable, but they don't last as long as the gun themselves usually, and they're much more fragile.
But here's the point, LM, since you can't seem to grasp it and seem to only understand numbers of rounds, not the damage each individual round can do. I said a well-trained individual, which this guy obviously was NOT. I can reload in well under a second (and btw, not all targets are of people. Many are circles. Most action shooting is at bowling pins. Again, your ignorance of the issue is massive). But there are scores of data that ANYONE can look up (I'm not your errand boy, do your own research), but here's a site that can help
www.firearmstatistical.com
OK, genius, here's the break down. Most "high-capacity" mags in pistols are about 14 rounds and are almost always 9mm or below. 9mm is by far the most popular handgun caliber on the streets. Part of that is because the military switched to 9mm Beretta's in the 80's (and have since started to change back in many instances because it lacks stopping power!). 9mm is approximately .35". A .45 is, of course, .45". So the .45 is a larger, heavier round. But it's also more powerful. Most 9mm ammunition is between 115 grain, 124 grain or 147 grain. "Grain" is the weight of the powder behind the projectile, which is truly the bullet. Many of the 147 grain varieties are law-enforcement only. Each manufacturer constantly tests their rounds in various new handguns to measure performance. And the ranges can be substantial. But a ballpark performance expectation is that most 9mm rounds will leave the barrel moving at 1000 to 1200 fps and when fired into gelatin (sometimes clothed, sometimes not), it will penetrate 10-15" and will expand betwen .4 and .6 inches. Again, there are examples of some rounds doing more or less, but this is the average range.
A .45 on the other hand has grains between 185, 200 and 230. They will leave the muzzle slightly slower at 900-1100 fps, and will penetrate 12-20", expanding to .5-.7 inches. So you have a bigger, heavier round penetrating with more power, deeper into the tissue and expanding further. The round can do more internal damage, which in turn makes it more lethal. So the math isn't in how many people "get shot", it's how many people would be dead because of the shooting. Most .45's hold 8+1. A quick reload, which can be done in a fraction of a second, and you're looking at 17 rounds downrange in seconds. So, again, my point is, a high-capacity mag isn't going to make much difference. The difference is in the shooter. Thankfully this guy didn't know what he was doing or more could have gotten hurt.
Your argument that more would have been hurt if someone with a CC permit pulled their weapon is again, unsubstantiated and unvalidated. You just don't know that. BUT, even though you'd NEVER take the time to look, the NRA has a an entire section every month in their magazine that highlights people using CC weapons in doing things ranging from protecting their house, stopping an armed robbery or beating and many others. Many don't even involve them shooting, as many criminals when faced with someone armed for self-defense, will run. Again, you won't give it any credence, but it's there, and it is able to be verified, but you'll just blow it off because you don't want to believe it. Again, your lack of belief doesn't mean it's not true...you just won't accept the facts. And before you give me any crap about all the people "hurt" by guns, I'd ask you to stop. Because the issue is with legislation and it's again proven (but you don't want to hear it) that most crimes involving guns are not LEGALLY OWNED weapons. And I, and the NRA, firmly support taking guns out of the hands of criminals while keeping them in the hands of law-abiding citizens. So, if you can't validate it, don't bring it up.
As far as a "slippery slope" and me threatening you...you seem to pull out what you want and discard the rest (which is pretty much the basis for any of your arguments). I said you, as in any "you" have nothing to fear from me UNLESS you are harming my family. So, unless you had thoughts of doing anything to me or my family, then it doesn't pertain to you, does it? So don't tell me to stop it, take the time to read it for what was mean instead of just trying to find things to argue about, which really seems to be your only contribution here.
