Mob Mentality / Lynch Mobs / Crowd Hysteria

[rockerrick]

Fair enough my intentions were not to attack you, merely your position, I see now it was your ideas. apologies
I'll try and keep it in check.

[Ebony Jasmine Love Austin]

Originally Posted by Miss Valentina

You mean the paradox that this is in fact through multiple threads and callings-outs and innumerable logical fallacies and bunk arguments it is quickly becoming apparent to anyone with half a brain that this is just reverse vigilantism, the old shuck and jive, hysteria, attention grabbing, chest puffery and grandstanding that is driving wedges between comrades and into the crossfire some have unwittingly wandered?

That paradox?

(ironic hilarity continues)

Bread and Circuses, my beloveds, panem et circenses

Oh how you love to insult with your omnipotent wisdom.
Tell us, o mighty V, when one deflects from the issue at hand, doesn't this usually happen when they cant rebut or agree to disagree.

I was the provider who had opposing views to outing the guy in the first place.
So if I agree with whispers it surely doesn't mean:

-I lack individual creativity, or of a sense of personal responsibility, that is sometimes characteristic of group interaction.

-I desire conformity in the group resulting in an irrational or dysfunctional decision-making outcome.

How many other DEnotations for groupthink do you want.


*You're projecting here now I'm laughing.

You don't have to believe my ironic statement was intentional. Of course you don't, b/c no one is as clever as you!!!!

Might I add invalid arguments are still valuable in promoting critical thinking.

The difference between you and me:
I am not concerned with people agreeing with what I think, or being popular, or being right.
Oh and I'm just a dummy b/c I choose to think for myself.

Sooooooo.



back atcha girl! LMAO!

I don't know how implying that your followers have half a brain, when really trying to say I have half a brain, is going to get you any more approval; but I'm sure somehow it will!

If you are going to be a leader, don't you want to know the people you are leading have a full brain? People who find solutions to problems not from an emotional stance but from a stance of weighing out all sides of the argument?

I will go back to appreciating your moxie when you get off my back and just understand we disagree on the outing KINGMAN and that is ok.

[Sir Hardin Thicke]

19) Another member shouts from the crown that he will go collect money if someone will forward the kids address to him....

That was me, and it was wrong for me to have contributed to this cluster fuck so for that I sincerely apologize. The irony is I wasn't serious but aparantly many PMs offered identifying clues that people took this shit storm more seriously than FEMA did with Katrina!

One thing bothering me is that a provider shared Kingman's RW ID with the OP so why isn't she being outed? For one I would NEVER share RW ID for screening purposes and what has happened is the only reason not to share such valuable information because any one of us could get caught up in this bullshit and now one's real world life is fucked up.

[SofaKingFun]

Originally Posted by Whispers

Keep in mind..... We are referring to a provider and other providers that did not screen..... right? .

That is incorrect. One of the providers did, in fact, screen.

His refs checked out and so did his info. Had our session. I have never asked for payment up front

Result? Ran off without paying.

Yes, she admitted that she made an error in not collecting up front, but how many times have you paid up front? But, yes, she did screen.

The various victims have also proven that Kingman ran under both, tman1423, and Slinkky handles.. again, this was proven first-hand, from the ones that he robbed and as a direct result of that ID the thieving bastard provided when trying to pass screening.

Had he committed the exact same crime he is accused of by having some person show up at his location to paint a room for $300 and then did not pay them, had they called the police to report the crime, EVEN if charged (there is no real evidence is there?) the odds of getting any punishment more serious then a misdemeanor and probation should he choose to plead is highly unlikely...... They don't tend to prosecute based on he said she said evidence....

This is about a punishment that does not fit a crime that nobody really knows occurred....

Not only the successful bang-n-dashes, but what about all of the attempts?

If this stops all of that sort of bullshit, then that is just fine by me.

Sometimes lines are crossed and rules need to be rewritten in order to deal with those who don't play by the rules.

Fuck 'em and feed him bull dick!

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[googol^googol]

Originally Posted by Whispers

I wanted to talk generalities but it seems some specifics need to be put out there.....

Were providers robbed? Or did Providers not handle their business in a proper manner? They saw a guy that warnings were already out about without screening and they did not get a donation up front.....

Speaking in generalities, yeah, if someone receives a service and doesn't pay for it, that's theft.

Doesn't matter if there is information available that the person has stolen before.

Doesn't matter if the person providing the service doesn't make service dependent on payment. Not handling business in a proper manner does not absolve theft.

Receiving service and not paying is theft.* Any argument otherwise is a distraction from the general truth.

Originally Posted by Whispers

Sounds like lack of professionalism meets an opportunist

If I opportunistically pick up a $100 bill I see lying on a table, I'm a thief. Whether or not someone acted unprofessionally in leaving it where I could take it, I'm a thief. Any argument otherwise is distracting from the general truth.


*The official definition of robbery includes force or fear. Theft is a more appropriate term for the general situation.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by googol^googol

Speaking in generalities, yeah, if someone receives a service and doesn't pay for it, that's theft.

Doesn't matter if there is information available that the person has stolen before.

Doesn't matter if the person providing the service doesn't make service dependent on payment. Not handling business in a proper manner does not absolve theft.

Receiving service and not paying is theft.* Any argument otherwise is a distraction from the general truth.

If I opportunistically pick up a $100 bill I see lying on a table, I'm a thief. Whether or not someone acted unprofessionally in leaving it where I could take it, I'm a thief. Any argument otherwise is distracting from the general truth.

*The official definition of robbery includes force or fear. Theft is a more appropriate term for the general situation.

And if the young man had suggested that he was a young stud and felt they just wanted to fuck him could anything be said? I don't recall him ever actually making any statement as to the accusations.

That's all there was... accusations....... and a lot of people labeling and diagnosing others......

I simply do not believe that outing him was a proper way of dealing with it....

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by SofaKingFun

That is incorrect. One of the providers did, in fact, screen.

Result? Ran off without paying.

Yes, she admitted that she made an error in not collecting up front, but how many times have you paid up front? But, yes, she did screen.

The various victims have also proven that Kingman ran under both, tman1423, and Slinkky handles.. again, this was proven first-hand, from the ones that he robbed and as a direct result of that ID the thieving bastard provided when trying to pass screening.


Not only the successful bang-n-dashes, but what about all of the attempts?

If this stops all of that sort of bullshit, then that is just fine by me.

Sometimes lines are crossed and rules need to be rewritten in order to deal with those who don't play by the rules.

Fuck 'em and feed him bull dick!

The guy probably deserved something...... but based on only ever knowing one side of the story..... I think people went way too far......

It all could have been handled in a different manner off the board....

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Sir Hardin Thicke

That was me, and it was wrong for me to have contributed to this cluster fuck so for that I sincerely apologize. The irony is I wasn't serious but aparantly many PMs offered identifying clues that people took this shit storm more seriously than FEMA did with Katrina!

They did.... I am amazed it ran as long as it did.. I came across it less than an hour before it disappeared...... One would think there would have been a lot of RTMs but I think everyone got caught up in the hysteria....

One thing bothering me is that a provider shared Kingman's RW ID with the OP so why isn't she being outed?

When you say the "OP",,,, IF you are referring to the OP of this thread She did NOT provide the ID to Whispers....

For one I would NEVER share RW ID for screening purposes and what has happened is the only reason not to share such valuable information because any one of us could get caught up in this bullshit and now one's real world life is fucked up.

Exactly..... Everyone rushed to convict and gave a death penalty type sentence...... based on nothing more than hearsay

I've always been against the concept of guys screening.... Maybe I need to break out some old thread I wrote long ago on how guys can avoid screening and still see hot chicks every week...

[Windinhishair]

a) He was referring the OP of the alert thread which I think you know (Not sure cause I'm on my 2nd glass of malbec)

Originally Posted by Whispers

Maybe I need to break out some old thread I wrote long ago on how guys can avoid screening and still see hot chicks every week...

b) What the hell are you waiting for? Break that shit out.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Windinhishair

a) He was referring the OP of the alert thread which I think you know (Not sure cause I'm on my 2nd glass of malbec)

I'm not sure... The OP of the Alert thread was a Provider.... It's pretty common knowledge that the ladies share information with each other....... In regards to the provider that shared the information with the guys...... I started a thread on that exact subject.....

b) What the hell are you waiting for? Break that shit out.

hmmmm.... Maybe letting a few days go by..... I'm probably on the shit list of one or two after their Hero Savior got banned....

[ztonk]

Originally Posted by Whispers

[I am amazed it ran as long as it did.. I came across it less than an hour before it disappeared...... One would think there would have been a lot of RTMs but I think everyone got caught up in the hysteria....

That thread was 9 pages long and not a single RTM...

ztonk

[Bob McV]

Originally Posted by ztonk

That thread was 9 pages long and not a single RTM...

ztonk

I would think that alone would speak volumes about the will of the community as a whole.

As an aside I do not envy your position even with my many offers to join your ranks and help. Balancing the spirit of the rules with the letter, while keeping in mind some sense of the greater good and juggling any political pressures applied. It is an impossible and thankless job. I appreciate your efforts in this and all matters.

[ztonk]

Originally Posted by ztonk

That thread was 9 pages long and not a single RTM...

I had a member who did RTM that thread PM me about it. There were two RTMs on the thread that didn't get delivered to staff for some reason (argh!) one on 12/25 regarding the threat from kingman and another on 12/31. Had we seen either of those (or had stumbled across the thread before Monday) it wouldn't have gotten that far off the tracks.

But still, only 2 RTMs, and that was before all the excitement really started happening...

ztonk

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Bob McV

I would think that alone would speak volumes about the will of the community as a whole.

We were far from seeing the community as a whole......

One reason for the behavior is that people tend to do what others around them are doing. This usually is because those who join the group in the behavior figure that if several others are doing something, it must be worthwhile, or they would not be doing it.

As an aside I do not envy your position even with my many offers to join your ranks and help. Balancing the spirit of the rules with the letter, while keeping in mind some sense of the greater good and juggling any political pressures applied. It is an impossible and thankless job. I appreciate your efforts in this and all matters.

You would need to set aside your thoughts of "spirit" and "greater good" and immerse yourself in learning what it is that the owner wants to understand.....

You would also have to be willing to accept the fact that it is not fair to everyone. This place exists FOR the guys. If you can learn to think about things with that in mind it ius easier to understand some of the things you see....

[googol^googol]

Originally Posted by Whispers

Let's try to leave some of the specifics out of this and discuss the principles.

Originally Posted by Whispers

Let's discuss some generalities please......

Originally Posted by Whispers

I wanted to talk generalities but it seems some specifics need to be put out there.....

Originally Posted by Whispers

That's all there was... accusations....... and a lot of people labeling and diagnosing others......

I simply do not believe that outing him was a proper way of dealing with it....

Rather than addressing the specifics of this situation you bring up, I will stick to generalities per your repeated, emphasized requests.

Originally Posted by Whispers

And if the young man had suggested that he was a young stud and felt they just wanted to fuck him could anything be said?

If I contacted a tree trimming service and asked them to come to my house, then I suggested that I have beautiful trees and felt they just wanted to trim them, something could be said. It could be said that I am clearly full of shit.

Originally Posted by Whispers

I don't recall him ever actually making any statement as to the accusations.

Just as an absence of a defense does not imply guilt, it also does not imply innocence. I am unable to understand how this information bears on the situation.