When The Democrats Want To Really Lie, They Bring Out The Expert

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by bigtex

I hear ya on the running! You must have had bad weather that limited you to only 2 jumps during the last week. We made 5 jumps during the last week of our training. The first week was a 34 ft tower and the 2nd week the 250 ft tower.

I am sure you recall the drill where they teach you the 5 points of contact. I believe that was during the 1st week. In reality, for most jumpers there are only 2 POC, your feet and your ass.

In the interest of cost cutting, as my number of jumps went up, my number of points of contact went down.

Seems like I was always coming in backwards in a -1.
Seems like we got dropped with a 13 - 18 knot head wind on a regular basis.

I dropped to 3 points.
Feet, ass, head.

That square of foam in the back of a steel pot absorbs large amounts of....no, incredible amounts of......okay. It absorbs virtually nothing. But it does dampen the ringing after you hit a rock. Or a pine tree.

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

I heard once the main thing it takes to go Airborne is you first have to be dumb enough to jump out of a perfectly good airplane. Another thing a true hero doesn't brag, that's all you do. Quit tooting your own horn cause nobody is really that interested.

Jim

When do crashes occur? When the plane hits the ground. If you aren't in the plane, you wouldn't die in a plane crash.
I am statistically less likely to die in a plane crash than someone who has the same number of take offs I do.

Most planes are perfectly good right up to the moment when they suddenly aren't.

Or just look at as an additional skill. The Army does. They pay, correct me if I'm wrong, an extra $110 a month (we only got $55).

A hero doesn't brag about his heroic deeds, but he knows what his skills and attributes are. And he might just brag about those....like any other person.

[Jackie S]

Originally Posted by bigtex

I hear ya on the running! You must have had bad weather that limited you to only 2 jumps during the last week. We made 5 jumps during the last week of our training. The first week was a 34 ft tower and the 2nd week the 250 ft tower.

I am sure you recall the drill where they teach you the 5 points of contact. I believe that was during the 1st week. In reality, for most jumpers there are only 2 POC, your feet and your ass.

Well, you sure never forgot "your fourth point of contact", ie, your ass. Because every time you messed up, it was, "get your head out of your 4th point"

The strange thing about the whole "Airborne" thing during Vietnam was I doubt 90 percent of the guys who went through ever jumped again. Maybe 4 ft from a chopper, but not from a fixed wing.

It's hard to believe all of that has been some 45 years ago. We are getting old.

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

Well, you sure never forgot "your fourth point of contact", ie, your ass. Because every time you messed up, it was, "get your head out of your 4th point"

The Black Hats were bad asses! We had a Lt Col in our class who was returning from his 2nd Nam tour. He was not treated any differently than an E-1. Well, probably a little different in terms of accommodations and such. But in the actual daily training regimen, there was not much difference.

Originally Posted by Jackie S

The strange thing about the whole "Airborne" thing during Vietnam was I doubt 90 percent of the guys who went through ever jumped again. Maybe 4 ft from a chopper, but not from a fixed wing.

I can see that there probably would not have been many opportunity's for jumping after Nam. We did get a few draftee's returning from Nam into the 82nd. But we all knew they were only assigned to fulfill the final few months of their 2 year active duty obligation. Bragg proved to be a convenient ETS landing spot for draftee's returning from Nam. Jumping was certainly not a high priority item for them once they returned to the States. They were much more concerned with ETS as opposed to jumping again from a perfectly good aircraft. And I don't blame them!

I personally had a 6 year (4 active - 2 inactive) obligation and had plenty of additional chances to jump once I returned to the States. I actually grew to enjoy it once I settled into Ft. Bragg. The drop zones were SWEET (lots of sand), much better than what I remembered at Benning. (Well, Sicily DZ and Normandy DZ were much better. St. Mere Eglise DZ, not so much.)

Once I got out of the Army, I never had the desire to jump again. Even though I had a few opportunity's. I am glad I did it and I would certainly do it again under similar circumstances. But I was obviously ready to move on with my life. Once the 4 years were behind me, it was a seamless transition to life without a chute overhead. And that is the way it has remained!

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

In the interest of cost cutting, as my number of jumps went up, my number of points of contact went down.

Seems like I was always coming in backwards in a -1.
Seems like we got dropped with a 13 - 18 knot head wind on a regular basis.

I dropped to 3 points.
Feet, ass, head.

That square of foam in the back of a steel pot absorbs large amounts of....no, incredible amounts of......okay. It absorbs virtually nothing. But it does dampen the ringing after you hit a rock. Or a pine tree.

Well. This explains a lot.

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Well. This explains a lot.

Hanoi COG, you should give jumping a shot!

Perhaps you might have a different perspective!

[Jackie S]

Originally Posted by bigtex

The Black Hats were bad asses! We had a Lt Col in our class who was returning from his 2nd Nam tour. He was not treated any differently than an E-1. Well, probably a little different in terms of accommodations and such. But in the actual daily training regimen, there was not much difference.



I can see that there probably would not have been many opportunity's for jumping after Nam. We did get a few draftee's returning from Nam into the 82nd. But we all knew they were only assigned to fulfill the final few months of their 2 year active duty obligation. Bragg proved to be a convenient ETS landing spot for draftee's returning from Nam. Jumping was certainly not a high priority item for them once they returned to the States. They were much more concerned with ETS as opposed to jumping again from a perfectly good aircraft. And I don't blame them!

I personally had a 6 year (4 active - 2 inactive) obligation and had plenty of additional chances to jump once I returned to the States. I actually grew to enjoy it once I settled into Ft. Bragg. The drop zones were SWEET (lots of sand), much better than what I remembered at Benning. (Well, Sicily DZ and Normandy DZ were much better. St. Mere Eglise DZ, not so much.)

Once I got out of the Army, I never had the desire to jump again. Even though I had a few opportunity's. I am glad I did it and I would certainly do it again under similar circumstances. But I was obviously ready to move on with my life. Once the 4 years were behind me, it was a seamless transition to life without a chute overhead. And that is the way it has remained!

I was "Draftee" all the way. In fact, when I ETS'd out of active, I never even reported to my Ready Reserve or Standby Reserve, I just said fuck it. I damned near gave them the lower part of both legs, and for me, that was enough. At the end of 6 years, I relieved a nice envelope with my DD214 Honorable Dischard.

Like you, I got on with life.

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by bigtex

Hanoi COG, you should give jumping a shot!

Perhaps you might have a different perspective!

He jumps to conclusions all the time.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

He jumps to conclusions all the time.

He certainly doesn't have a monopoly on that quality.

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

He certainly doesn't have a monopoly on that quality.

Point well taken, you are quite accomplished at jumping to conclusions.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by bigtex

Point well taken, you are quite accomplished at jumping to conclusions.

A mere amateur to you.

[Whirlaway]

I suggest you old military geezers meet up at the local cafe to reminisce.....

Back on the thread topic:

It wasn't embarrassing enough that Obama's National Security Advisor (cue laugh track), floated the Benghazi lie, then the Bergdahl lie, now she doubles down on the lie when questioned.....

“I realize there has been a lot of discussion and controversy around this,” Rice said to CNN about that remark. “What I was referring to is the fact that this was a young man who volunteered to serve his country in uniform at a time of war. That in itself is a very honorable thing.”

“But ‘honor and distinction?’ ” Acosta asked.

“Jim, really,” Rice said.

Susan Rice, Really ?
By that baloney standard Nidel Hasan served with honor and distinction - after all he volunteered and put on a uniform (before shooting 14 servicemen). You (and by extension Obama) are pathetic.

[i'va biggen]

Listening to the Vets was more interesting than listening to you yammer about Rice. Till all the facts are in it will be just like Zimmerman.

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

Listening to the Vets was more interesting than listening to you yammer about Rice. Till all the facts are in it will be just like Zimmerman.

Airborne!

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

A mere amateur to you.

I suspect someone might have been jumping to conclusions when he boldly proclaimed that he was born into the USMC.

Who was that masked man, anyway?